Squidgy

:) I think what we call spoiling our dogs see us unconditional love <3

Congratulations Poomother You have found an awesome mentor for guidance and managed to make a wonderful new friend at the same time. This is the point I was trying to make before, that people should go about breeding this way, not the alternative of ok my bitch is in heat oh there is a canine of the opposite sex lets see if they can get a tie :| I bet your puppies will spoilt rotten and cute as buttons :D

:) I agree BC I couldn't undertake such a task if one of the puppies died or something happened to mummy or if I made a mistake and sold one to the wrong person no matter how much I tried to screen them I would go into depression mode I think. to the proper ethical responsible breeders who make it possible for people to own quality puppies

At some stage they would have had no mentor and had done no research. :) I would have thought that a question like this is the first step in being properly educated. Your mentor is usually the person who sells you a puppy suitable for show/breeding or the one who helps you source the right dog to start with, so you should have a mentor right from the start if you buy a main registered puppy. Before the main/limit register and all the health testing came in we sometimes had people looking for stud dogs for registered pet bitches and their mentor would be the breeder who thought the bitch was worth breeding and suited one of their dogs. We used to usually get them to bring the bitch to a show so several of us could have a look at her and decide if she was good enough to breed. These days though the registration and health tests all come first and any well bred main register bitch would have been sold with all the details about the health tests. etc, along with the papers. If someone that doesn't yet have a bitch asks "how do I become a breeder" that is when you start from scratch educating them. If they already have the bitch then they should at least know the basics and the question should be "I have a main registered bitch who has had all her health tests, where do I find a stud dog?"

Each to their own but someone who has done no research and has no sort of mentor figure to learn from doesnt have any business messing with a litter of helpless little lives who didnt ask to be put on this earth. Unless someone is breeding to better or improve a breed what ever way you want to put it, they shouldn't be doing it. anyone can breed a good pet but it takes a dedicated breeder to produce an outstanding representation of the breed. Look at german shepherds for example , the pet dogs you see on the BYB market look nothing like the show standard all they have when it comes to resemblance would be the markings... stance and everything else is way off and dogs like Labradors and dont get me started on staffordshires what people class as a purebred staffy these days astonishes me , they are skinny puney little things that look nothing like the breed standard but yet they still charge the earth for low quality pups.

:) no they werent experts but they atleast they would have had a mentor and done research into what they were doing, not just the notion of ok I want puppies I need a dog and bitch and 9 weeks later they will come out all fluffy with their eyes open and waggy tails like on a disney cartoon. :) I dont expect every first timer to be experts but people should be properly educated

There are enough border collie and border collie crosses in the shelter and rescue system as is because of irreponsible people who are " so keen" for their little girl to have a litter so they can have one just like her who dont health screen and dont screen the homes, so they end up going to people who have an apartment or a tiny little suburban courtyard where they work all day and the dog starts barking etc and becomes a nusiance because it doesnt have enough mental stimulation. border collies are high energy and high intelligence and should not be bred by people who have no idea about what they are doing... sorry for the rant I am just sick of cases that like... its heartbreaking. I think if you are going to breed it should take more then just your dog having main papers... any byb can get hold of a main registered dog if they shonk around enough and find one from a breeder who puts them all on mains.... breeding takes knowledge patience money and alot of time and dedication and shouldnt be undertaken lightly. Leave it to the people who know what they are doing

I have seen these in my local reject shop, golo etc for only $15

agree with ya 100%

a BYB or puppy farms dream.... hope the breeders get her before those mongrels do

Is this is the snow shepherd people or the facebook people? I would like to know where that link is to check this out for myself ay... some things make me so mad. but yes as stated... any publicity is good isnt it....hmmmm

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yes puppy farming is unfortunately not illegal and niether is cross breeding, bybing etc I found a new "breed" on gumtree today....snow shepherd or something with papers that boggled me

my mates dog used to have the same thing its scary when any of your animals start bleeding but sometimes you just have to relax :) what I cant stand is fly bites... the bites look so painful.. I have seen some dogs with dripping ears

Will share this around :)

pmsl

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awwwww poor baby lol :laugh: that is the cutest thing I can actualy picture it in my head I love rottis and their expressive faces RIP you cutie

definetly malanois!!! and he is gorgeous

thats so horrible.... I feel so sorry for you Lolafolata Yes, its not a matter of being a kid hater, kids of all ages need to know its wrong and as someone has said by 7 years old they know what they are doing. Hoping it all gets resolved soon and poor ziggy doesn't have to put up with it anymore :)

I'm not a kid hater lol I have many nieces and nephews which I babysit on a regular basis and have plans to have my own children. I hate it when parents don't supervise their children and then wonder why things go wrong and in most cases if the kids get bitten ( not saying ziggy would do this :) ) they blame the dog and go on a BSL rampage. Don't assume people are kid haters just because they think the kids are being little brats and need to be chastised by their parents

I cant stand kids like that : their parents need a good slap in the head!! My grandfather used to have the same problem with the neighbours kids, now just picture " the sandlot kids" hahaha his dane cross has alot of spoils in his yard from the nuisance children its like a treasure trove of balls,bats,skipping ropes haha