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Poor baby Sorry but what B**ch to take someones dog with the excuse " god gave me a puppy" I to must be in a shocking mood tonight........

Trigger happy Fhead sorry for the cursing abreviation but this is disgusting :mad :mad and I agree I could not imagine any australian officer behaving in such a way

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I can't believe the selection of dogs in the urgent rescues this week especially that german shepherd in there flo ....I just want to hug her and never let go ....I have no way of adopting a third dog.. I just want to rescue them all and keep them forever. * sigh* one can only dare to dream....... RIP TO ALL THE BEAUTIFUL SOULS WHO DONT MAKE THE CUT THIS WEEK none of you deserve to be there may you run free and frolic in enternal peace :cry:

One of the arguments used by anti "designer dogs" is that designer dogs like "cavoodles" and "spoodles" etc. are bred in puppy farms. If a puppy farm is registered or if a puppy is sold through a pet shop i.e. domestic animal business they must be microchipped. Does anyone have any actual data or stats that support this theory The 'theory' that they're bred in puppy farms? The problem is that there's no universally accepted version of what a 'puppy farm' is. Some establishments that I would consider puppy farms are actually registered businesses that are licensed to do what they do - thus, they're not illegal. Being legal in my opinion doesn't make them okay, or something that I would ever consider supporting by buying a dog from them. Nobody advertises that they're a puppy farm, that would be marketing suicide. But a lot of registered establishments that are perfectly legal domestic animal businesses that microchip their pups and operate all above board, but are what I would consider puppy farms. A lot of similar establishment aren't registered though. I'd never support either kind, regardless of how legal and officially legitimate they are. I'm not going to name establishments on here, but there are a number of "kennels" with nice sounding names like heatherview palace or blah blah fields, that type of thing, that you can order puppies from online. They're not going to put pictures of animals kept in cages and continually bred from. They have pictures that look like stock, getty images type photos of puppies running through fields etc. Lots of crosses like cavoodles, spoodle etc, are bred by "backyard breeders" - you find them through ads in the paper, and someone's bred their pet or decided to start breeding dogs. Those aren't what I would consider puppy farms, but they're equally not something that I want to support. Have a google, it won't take you long to find some pretty shocking things. I agree with your definition of "puppy farm/factory". The term "puppy farm" conjures up different images into different people’s heads but normally its images of dogs in tiny cages in their own filth etc. These same images have been used by animal liberation type groups to get the publics attention but I came across a thread on the burkes backyard forum about a new "kennel" being built in Victoria. Some people have called it a "puppy farm" and although I don't support commercial breeders I was surprised to read that this breeder intends to build a "dog park" with sand pits and even an in ground swimming pool amongst other things. They have a website that goes over everything www.hepburnpark.com Would you consider this place a "puppy farm"? Look, I'm not going to get into the realm of defamation and unsubstantiated comments, but my understanding is that that establishment is being developed by the operator of a known .. establishment that I in no way support. I could never lend my support to any operation, commercial or otherwise, that exists to breed dogs like that. Crosses, designed to cater to a market that really should be educated and informed. That's a nice website with great PR and it's slick and could really be marketing anything. It's got a lot of words but they don't actually say anything. (I'm a bureaucrat, I'm very adept at writing crap like that and smoothing things over and promising everything while providing nothing. I can recognise it a mile away, too.) Dogs don't give a rat's about landscaping and how pristine gardens are. That's designed to appeal to people, and no amount of landscaping, lawns, paths, hedges and trees are going to convince me that something like that is something worth supporting in principle, financially, or in any other way. The whole website reads like it's trying to convince me of its virtue and almost cover its arse - to me, it screams run a mile. The part defending itself against Animal Activists as if they're a cohesive group of devilish clones with a unified agenda who could never supporting the breeding of dogs, is ludicrous. And it's dog whistling. I find places that are designed and purpose built to breed dogs like that fundamentally unnecessary. I disagree with them on principle, and even if the dogs are given access to a "private dog park" and whelp in boxes with whatever thickness of insulated whatever.. I don't care. What Jed said is spot on - dogs aren't agricultural creatures and they can't be treated that way. The pictures on that site are from god knows where, as it appears that the place hasn't even been finished yet. Whether I think it's a puppy farm or factory or whatever is irrelevant, really. I don't condone places like that - and look, who cares what I personally condone. I'm just a loser on an internet forum who's very passionate about animals. There's been enough discussion about this kind of thing on this and other forums, I don't know what else I can say that will really clarify or shed light on or do anything other than add to the white noise. My moral objections aren't going to change this or any other similar place. All I know is that while there are great rescues and brilliant breeders out there, I'm not going to lend any credence to places like that. Yes, there are dodgy rescues and sh*t ANKC registered breeders who aren't worth the weight of hte paper their pedigrees are printed on. I wouldn't buy a pup fro them either - slick marketing, a dot com and a Harry Potter-esque logo does not a good breeder make.

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/paddington/dogs-puppies/lost-french-bulldog-paddington-19-may/1002466165 She has recently had pups.....I hope a puppy farmer doesnt find her

Yup hes one happy poochy :laugh:

on one of his many beds lol waiting for dinner :p

Really bad quality I dont know what happened lol Lochi playing in the yard like a lil pup hahaha Lochi at my mothers place while she was babysitting my newphew :)

Was sleeping on my bed but interupted by the camera hahaha :laugh:

One of the arguments used by anti "designer dogs" is that designer dogs like "cavoodles" and "spoodles" etc. are bred in puppy farms. If a puppy farm is registered or if a puppy is sold through a pet shop i.e. domestic animal business they must be microchipped. Does anyone have any actual data or stats that support this theory The 'theory' that they're bred in puppy farms? The problem is that there's no universally accepted version of what a 'puppy farm' is. Some establishments that I would consider puppy farms are actually registered businesses that are licensed to do what they do - thus, they're not illegal. Being legal in my opinion doesn't make them okay, or something that I would ever consider supporting by buying a dog from them. Nobody advertises that they're a puppy farm, that would be marketing suicide. But a lot of registered establishments that are perfectly legal domestic animal businesses that microchip their pups and operate all above board, but are what I would consider puppy farms. A lot of similar establishment aren't registered though. I'd never support either kind, regardless of how legal and officially legitimate they are. I'm not going to name establishments on here, but there are a number of "kennels" with nice sounding names like heatherview palace or blah blah fields, that type of thing, that you can order puppies from online. They're not going to put pictures of animals kept in cages and continually bred from. They have pictures that look like stock, getty images type photos of puppies running through fields etc. Lots of crosses like cavoodles, spoodle etc, are bred by "backyard breeders" - you find them through ads in the paper, and someone's bred their pet or decided to start breeding dogs. Those aren't what I would consider puppy farms, but they're equally not something that I want to support. Have a google, it won't take you long to find some pretty shocking things. I agree with your definition of "puppy farm/factory". The term "puppy farm" conjures up different images into different people’s heads but normally its images of dogs in tiny cages in their own filth etc. These same images have been used by animal liberation type groups to get the publics attention but I came across a thread on the burkes backyard forum about a new "kennel" being built in Victoria. Some people have called it a "puppy farm" and although I don't support commercial breeders I was surprised to read that this breeder intends to build a "dog park" with sand pits and even an in ground swimming pool amongst other things. They have a website that goes over everything www.hepburnpark.com Would you consider this place a "puppy farm"? Meh...until I see photos and reviews of this up and running I call BS :) Its easy to talk up a big game but seeing a place thats main concern is profit I would like to see them prove it before I commend them on anything.

Cleo is adorable anymore pics :laugh:

Thanks :) I sent her all of these links and stuff she started to cry I felt so bad so relieved. whether it has actually made her not want one or not I will never know at this point in time but atleast now she is a little more educated about the whole designer breed process. Thanks DOL xxxx

Does anyone idolize the alternative? What sort of dog does he own? I have no idea :laugh:

I dont think she has looked that far into I think she is trying to find something to make her and julia similar. and yes maybe the more graphic the better.... how much do you think it would cost to professionally groom this dog maybe the ongoing cost might put her off

Yes I agree! I don't see any reasons to haha but my niece of one of those " power to woman sort of people" haha and thinks its fabulous to have a woman PM

oh Does anyone have any good sites I could steer her to ( not to graphic!!) about pupy farming??

* rollseyes* My niece emailed me this morning asking me if I knew where she could get a "cavoodle" or whatever from. She is 16 and idolises Julia Gillard ( for what reasons I don't know lol) and wants to be like her so..... wants a dog like hers aswell. How do you explain to a 16 year old without them thinking your trying to ruin their life?? bahahaha I know in the end she is going to do what she wants but I want to try and steer her clear even for just a little bit longer you know, I know she will love it and look after it carefully etc I just don't want her funding the puppy farm trade because one dog out is another back in its place so to speak. I know this topic has probly been done to death but I guess people are always going to fall for the media garbage that gets spurted around about the hybrid vigour or whatever it is that draws people to these dogs to start with. I love all dogs I am not a snob haha but I just don't think people should be forking out thousands upon thousands for a dog thats predictibility is unknown. :) any suggestions on how to gently break it to her?

:) thanks will check them out and send her the link

I agree. I think this debate can swing both ways really. Some (not all) crossbreed or mutt owners may look down their nose at pedigree dogs for a reason whilst some pedigree owners will look down their noses at pound, byb and petshop dogs for their stated reasons. Everyone is different and everyone has the right to purchase their dogs where they want. I think there probably always has and always will be stereotypes about these things and nothing much will change that. myself and my family have nearly always had pedigree ankc dogs except for the few mutts and mongrels here and there that made us melt lol I don't believe necessarily that one dog bred is another one killed so to speak either as people choose dogs for a certain reason or lifestyle not every pound dog is going to be saved even if they put a stop on all dog breeding it just doesnt work that way im afraid. Its organisations like that , that turn people off rescueing and adopting I know that rescues have to be placed in a good home etc etc but the interogation that some places give people is shocking

:) My girlfriend needs to know about some good places in the sydney area or somewhere that ships to sydney that make and supply good quality dog kennel runs. She has seen some on the net called petsafe but doesnt trust the plastic parts on it. She needs to house 2 big dogs any advice?? Pleeeeeeeze :D

I dont believe it was just the arthritis I believe that was an excuse they just didnt want an old dog oh well their loss is Lochi's gain lol :p Thanks everyone :D

To mine and the vets surprise his teeth are actually ok which is a big relief for lochi and my wallet hahaha