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I would not be rushing into surgery at all. If it isn't bothering her, leave her be. And if you are concerned, see a specialist. It is not a straightforward procedure.

Will say the same thing I said in the other thread. The more time these dogs spend in kennels, the less adoptable they become. The dogs become institutionalised and don't cope going into a home. If a dog cannot be rehomed due to aggression issues then it should be PTS.

What grade is the luxation? Does the dog show any clinical signs? And how much does she weigh?

Oh do they? Cool, will check it out.

Agreed Perse But it may also mean less future suffering by generations of greyhounds... There won't BE any future generations of greyhounds. There's an astonishing amount of 'Oh, people will kill their dogs but at least future greyhounds won't suffer' and 'Oh, they'll kill them anyway' going on. For people who apparently love dogs, this dismissal of thousands of dogs is disturbing let alone greyhounds becoming as rare as hen's teeth. No one is dismissing it, but lets not pretend it's any more deaths than are already seen year in and year out because thousands of dogs are bred with few getting to the track, and far fewer finding suitable homes after racing. As for the breed becoming "rare as hens teeth" that is no ones fault but the breeders and breed fanciers. If all the breed has going for it is its racing ability how on earth do they manage to be decent pets? Better tell the husky breeders they should be taking their dogs to the alpine races every year to justify their existence. Their popularity is due to their laid back nature. A greyhound puppy is just as much work (if not more) than any other large puppy.

Yep. Indicative of the level of knowledge that's driving much of the current discussion. God forbid what is going to happen the dogs placed with inexperienced rescues who think they are just big spindly generic dogs. The idea that Greyhounds are sleepy couch potatoes that require no effort from an owner does the dogs a considerable disservice - especially the young ones. I know owners who will PTS their dogs rather than have them in the wrong homes. Chained to a kennel and used for pigging or left uncoated and ignored in back yards? I'd PTS too. I predict a rise in the abuse of greyhounds. It will move from the racing to the pet environment. A tragedy for the breed. But people on this forum push the adoption of greyhounds on the grounds they are the dog for the lazy person, that they're couch potatoes that only need a 20 minute walk each day. And this is certainly true for most older, retired Greyhounds. It is NOT true for any Greyhound under 2 years of age.

Should be on a Billboard, Gruf. ETA: Glad to see Gruf taking centre stage again :laugh: :laugh: Have you ever met a Greyhound?? They LOVE to race! There is nothing cruel about training and racing Greyhounds. The issue is about training methods and reducing over supply. Should we ban pet dogs as well? I mean, they have no choice to be a pet. What about agility dogs? Show dogs? Yes I have met many greyhounds and used to attend greyhound races with my father as a child at the track in Darwin. They love to run. Racing = gambling= abuse = corruption. The issue is the racing, gambling, prize money, use of animals for human entertainment: a potent mix which makes for cruel and unethical standards, training methods and over-breeding. Yes it is good to see Gruf back. Greyhounds are not allowed off leash in public places (in Victoria) so where will they run? How many people will be willing to pay for and adopt a Greyhound puppy?

Looking to buy a roll of vet bed/dry bed. Anyone have any recommendations?

Should be on a Billboard, Gruf. ETA: Glad to see Gruf taking centre stage again :laugh: :laugh: Have you ever met a Greyhound?? They LOVE to race! There is nothing cruel about training and racing Greyhounds. The issue is about training methods and reducing over supply. Should we ban pet dogs as well? I mean, they have no choice to be a pet. What about agility dogs? Show dogs?

Yep. Indicative of the level of knowledge that's driving much of the current discussion. God forbid what is going to happen the dogs placed with inexperienced rescues who think they are just big spindly generic dogs. The idea that Greyhounds are sleepy couch potatoes that require no effort from an owner does the dogs a considerable disservice - especially the young ones. I know owners who will PTS their dogs rather than have them in the wrong homes. Chained to a kennel and used for pigging or left uncoated and ignored in back yards? I'd PTS too. I predict a rise in the abuse of greyhounds. It will move from the racing to the pet environment. A tragedy for the breed. So you expect the predicted increase in abuse will again come from within the ranks of those already within the industry? I guess that is just more reason to shut down the industry. There won't be any more litters for them to get dogs to abuse soon. My prediction is that somehow, society will survive with the expected increase in re-homed Greys. No, the abuse will come from the pet owners who have no idea about Greyhounds but adopt one to save it. There will also be an increase in attacks by Greyhounds on cats and small dogs, because people will be adopting dogs that are not suitable for suburban life. I can't see this whole situation ending well at all. And as always, the biggest losers will be the dogs.

For a pedigree puppy with papers that sounds about right.

I'm so sorry Anne. RIP Olivia xx

Massive hugs Anne, I'm so sorry xx

I would perhaps ask about giving her a high dose or cortisone if she isn't already on it. It might make her feel a bit better. Poor little lamb. What a horrible disease.

Poor Olivia. Is she still on Cortisone?

Personally in my experience it is more about them being exactly the same age, not necessarily siblings. I have plenty of examples from my circle of friends/acquaintances... - Family bought 2 SBT siblings - at 18 months old they tried to kill each other and had to be kept separated forever. - Family bought a LabxPoodle puppy and a Dalmatian puppy at the same time - few years later they tried to kill each other and family had them PTS. - My friend has GR siblings and they get so distressed when they are separated that she simply can't do it any more. So every time one needs the vet or whatever, they both have to go. I also know of some people that don't have an issue, but I would never do it. The dogs bond more closely to each other than to you, and there is twice the effort to house train and obedience train. The dogs also develop an unhealthy bond to each other and never learn to be on their own.

I would also recommend against getting two puppies at once. Google 'sibling syndrome in dogs'. Here is the list of Maltese breeders on DOL http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/breeders/maltese.asp

Most Greyhounds do well with smaller companions. They are gentle and lazy lol. My girl loves her little siblings. :)

I'm so sorry Anne xx

What kind of surgery is she having? Did she have an xray before the patella surgery?

You have been given some great advice from people with a lot of knowledge. I will just say that our first Dane was very timid when we got her at 15mths. She turned out to be the best dog. If you have the ability to work with her, I would give it a go. As others have said, keep her away from the kiss and dog for now and just let her find her feet. Get her assessed by a professional and take it from there. Best of luck!

Much colder!

Yep five. :)

Miss you every day Rupert and wish it could have been different x

No and no haha.