Jed

do they advertise on DOL? I would also go into the bulldog thread and ask some questions. I've never had a problem with buying interstate- paid the money, dog arrived, no problems. Breeders concerned are well known though, which makes a difference. I don't ask prospective puppy buyers a lot of questions, but I talk to them long enough to get a feel for them, and what they thought about their last dog/s and what happened to them, which I find more valid. d

I didn't either until I read this thread - http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=179124 that they are. I thought that was mostly likely the nasty taste of the frog ooze thing they do when threatened, rather than an actual toxin. The dog was fine without any vet treatment, which suggests the ooze (exudate) is not toxic. Agree with Corvus, watch out for brown frogs, in case you mistake them for toads and bump them off by accident.\ I mowed my paddock today and noticed lots of baby toads - 2 - 3 cm in the long grass, running away from the mower, so I guess they have hatched following the wet weather. May have to begin the toad patrol again, although there aren't many in the garden.

What Erny said. RSPCA used to be a really good organisation. They need to step back, and return to "all creatures great and small". It's such a big machine now, I don't think this will happen without the change being forced. Love to know why the RSPCA employee was altering the paperwork

I have, or have had many different types of frogs. Never found any to be poisonous to the dogs, although i do try to stop the dogs harming them. I've never seen anything which suggested frogs were poisonous. I don't think the milky liquid is poisonous either - I think it is a deterrent to things which would eat frogs. Snakes and toads maybe? You need to be careful when you are toad hunting, as those lumpy looking brownish frogs can resemble toads, specially at night. And more specially when you have had a wine or two.

Crossing Beagles with Cavaliers and having an "ethical" website is an oxymoron, surely?? Diametrically opposed anyhow Goldchow Could be the backing of a disgruntled gardner. He always fancied himself as running an organisation in opposition to the ANKC. Remember when he asked registered breeders to join him in another organisation? In hindsight, I think it would have been an excellent idea. The "old boys" running the CCs seem to be lost in the 19th century, with shows and afternoon teas, and nice registrations. They haven't demonstrated any ability to cope with, and steer their organisations through the stormy waters of 2000s. I think the gardener could do that, and do it well. He'd prefer a heap of ANKC dogs to some abbadabbadoo ones. After all, his promotion of DD was simply to spite the ANKC *scuttles down the back to hide*

If she is not still frothing at the mouth or drooling, not staggering or looking sick, she will be ok. Might be a good idea to take a wet washer and swab the inside of her mouth out, rewetting the rinsing the washer a few times, just in case any toxin is stuck to her gums.

18,400 registered dogs in the shire 68 complaints about dogs behind fences What's the problem? I thought your property was your own? I thought dogs were deterrents to the criminal? What's happened to common sense?

Because PDE said it was bad? Might be worth asking them.

I am not a poodle person so someone else may be able to give more detail. Poodles are retrievers - they retrieved on water. The coat was clipped so they wouldn't have too much coat to swim with but the coat was left long over the kidneys so they wouldn't catch cold - same applies to the head. They were clipped as they were for a purpose, not for cosmetic reasons. They are shown with that clip because it is "traditional" and also because their owners like it. Poodles can be clipped anyway their owners' fancy. There's a tradie around here with 2 standard poodles, which ride in the tray of his tonner, under the canopy - guarding his tools. An apricot and a white, they are beautifully groomed in full lion clip. The look absolutely beautiful. Now, there's a man with no problems with his own masculinity!! And I don't think any of this tools ever go missing either

That's bad luck. I hope she will be ok. It could be several things, it's impossible to say without seeing her. The vet will tell you tomorrow when he has examned her. Keep her quiet, don't allow her to run around (she probably wont want to), keep her a little confined, and give her a soft bed to lie on to protect the leg from the hard ground. If she sleeps on your bed, or the sofa, ensure she doesn't jump down and do more damage. Let us know how she goes at the vet, please?

Argh, that's horrible. Stupid ijit. Sorry this happened, poor boys Things you wished you said " That happens when you have untrained unsocialised savage dogs off lead and out of control, you stupid cow. Only well behaved dogs are allowed off lead" Hope both dogs are ok, and you have reported (in writing) to the council. If everyone complained, something might be done.

No, I'm not cranky with you. I probably wrote "cranky", and I do realise what you are saying. I think I have worded my reply badly. Until recently, the RSPCA, to the best of my understanding, and also because of the way things were done, DID investigate larger cases outside the metropolitan areas. I know that for sure, because I know of people who have been visited or busted, depending. It is only recently that Biosecurity was responsible for larger items. Maybe after EI, maybe when they labelled themselves Biosecurity. The DPI has been relabelled and redirected so many times by the government, it is difficult to know exactly when they took over doing that, and stopped doing whatever they were doing before that!! Before whenever it was - if there was a complaint in a country area, a DPI stock inspector, versed in the ways of dogs/cattle/horses or whatever, rocked out and sorted it. Any bigger cases seemed to have the RSPCA involved. In some country areas, the police went out, and where there was no RSPCA (or a "designated person", as there was in some country towns, and may still be) the police were the first port of call. As I understand it, when the complaints were first lodged, the RSPCA would have been calling, not the DPI or biosecurity

Actually Jed the recent bust you refer to was led by Biosecurity Qld, not the RSPCA, although RSPCA assisted. RSPCA Qld operations do not cover the whole of Queensland - it is a shared responsibility between Biosecurity and RSPCA. The location of the puppy farm made it the responsibility of Biosecurity Qld and not the RSPCA. And how did you know that it took 'them' (Bio. Qld) six years to do anything? For all you know investigations may have been conducted, maybe an educational approach was attempted first??? Who knows??? I know. I don't write things unless they are true. And I know about BioSecurity aka DPI and non metro areas. Do you think I should have given BS some of the kudos for the bust? I said "RSPCA" because that is where the complaints were lodged. Do you have a problem? Inspector for the RSCPA now? Do I have a problem? Apart from you going off half cocked that is? Wow, you really can be mean. As soon as someone tries to correct or look at something from another point you just dig the boot in. You know, people can have different opinions about things, or see things from another side. The point I was trying to make is that you appeared to be slamming the RSPCA for not acting on the puppy farm for 6 years, but reality was that it was not their position to act. Now you say that you said RSPCA because that's where the complaints were lodged. So what are you trying to say? That they didn't pass the complaints on? And please, save the sarcasm. If you can't answer politely then don't bother at all. I dislike you asserting I am lying. I don't need correcting. This is the THIRD time I am telling you that complaints were lodged with the RSPCA over 6 years. I have no idea what happened to them after that. I know of other people who say they have complained about this or that, but I don't have proof, so I shut up about it. In this case, I do know that complaints were lodged. And by whom, and when. A business has diary entries about the letters (and copies of the letters) and calls made. I believe they gave up after 2 years. It was all too hard. If DPI should have acted, the complaints should have been passed to DPI. As far as I am aware, complaints in rural areas have been handled by RSPCA until recently. And the public has been led to believe that they should report cruelty to the RSPCA. Maybe they need to change the advertising? After I gave up after the nth complaint about a dog locked in a windowless garden shed 23.5/7. And that was an RSPCA matter. If you are an RSPCA inspector, I suggest you check the files for written complaints. I can't believe Australia post lost ALL them. You tell me why RSPCA asking for discussions on yet more laws on puppy farms when they take 6 years to act on complaints about puppy farms, and the existing laws are strong enough for them to gain convictions? And I realise that people have different opinions. That's why I only argue in the threads that are important to me. And I don't like being called a liar.

Gee, that's crook So not only is he not assimilating Vit D, it is going from his body? So calcium uptake would be affected? Not metabolising it? Does the specialist have any ideas? BTW, he is really cute, I haven't seen any photos of him before (never go to the photo thread, if he is there), such a dark colour, such a cute face. He is very Cav. looking.

Actually Jed the recent bust you refer to was led by Biosecurity Qld, not the RSPCA, although RSPCA assisted. RSPCA Qld operations do not cover the whole of Queensland - it is a shared responsibility between Biosecurity and RSPCA. The location of the puppy farm made it the responsibility of Biosecurity Qld and not the RSPCA. And how did you know that it took 'them' (Bio. Qld) six years to do anything? For all you know investigations may have been conducted, maybe an educational approach was attempted first??? Who knows??? I know. I don't write things unless they are true. And I know about BioSecurity aka DPI and non metro areas. Do you think I should have given BS some of the kudos for the bust? I said "RSPCA" because that is where the complaints were lodged. Do you have a problem? Inspector for the RSCPA now?

I've never crate trained. I simply watch the pup when it is inside, ensure it goes outside at regular intervals, if it's circling, and after meals. Stay outside until something happens, make a big fuss. Big dogs here go outside before bed, pup goes too. We rarely have accidents. I teach them early what is acceptable to chew and what is not. Pups sleep a lot anyhow, so you aren't watching them all the time. Only when they are awake. I don't believe in crate trainng. When the dogs are older, they are trained to stay in large crates, or show trolleys when they are drying after a bath, or if they are being fed separately. An hour or so max after a bath and a short time to eat.

Excellent, PF, I think some of the other CCs will be doing so as well

ANKC RESPONSE TO RSPCA ANKC STATEMENT : PEDIGREE DOGS EXPOSED - RSPCA CALL FOR CHANGE The ANKC is actively addressing recent concerns raised on a review of breeding practices in Australia and would like to provide the following information. 1.Australia differs considerably to the UK – we agree there are problems (just as there are in humans, cross bred dogs and other species) but are working hard to improve dog health and welfare across the board. 2.We already have Disease Control Schemes running in a large number of breeds and have been doing so for long periods of time, with good results. We have cleared Copper Toxicosis from Bedlington Terriers, Fucocidosis in Springer Spaniels and Haemophilia A from the German Shepherd. 3.We annually donate close to $100,000 collectively across Australia to Research into dog diseases and DNA Test Development. 4.Breeders are heavily involved in testing dogs and assisting in research often by donating funds and samples. 5.With regards to Inbreeding we are collaborating with the Sydney University Faculty of Veterinary Science investigating the status in Australia. We do not anticipate major problems in the numerically larger breeds, smaller breeds may have higher figures, however Australian breeders have a long history of importing new bloodlines, especially due to our geographical isolation. 6.Breed Standards were promoted in the BBC Program as the ”cause” of many genetic diseases – rarely is this true, many diseases are enzyme or organ based. Breed Standards are an outline guide and breeders and judges are urged to avoid exaggeration. 7.Health Control Schemes – there is widespread use of health schemes in Australia by dog breeders – hips, elbows, eyes. The use of DNA Testing is expanding rapidly as tests become available. The ANKC has partnered with the AVA in CHEDS (Canine Hip and Elbow Scheme) and ACES (Australian Canine Eye Scheme). Some breeds have adopted LRL’s (Litter Registration Limitations requiring parental screening for certain heritable diseases before a litter can be registered. The ANKC and its Member Bodies are committed to the improvement of the Health and Welfare of Pedigree Dogs and where it is presented with scientifically based evidence of health problems in a breed it will consult with relevant experts to work towards a solution. MEDIA RELEASES 21 July 2009 New Stem Cell Technology Combats Arthritis click here to view 4 August 2009 Blood Donor Dogs Save Lives click here to view 18 August 2009 Hereditary Disease in Dogs a Fact of Life click here to view 26 August 2009 Dog breed shows are not "all show" click here to view 15 Sepember 2009 Dog Breeding in Australia click here to view 29 September 2009 Tick and Flea season predicted to be the worst click here to view 4 November 2009 Dogs 'Smell Out' Cancer click here to view MEDIA INFORMATION About the Australian National Kennel Council - click here to view Media Backgrounder - click here to view Pebbles, I have no idea. I suppose that information would only be available to members MEDIA SPOKESPERSON Australian National Kennel Council Media Spokesperson - Dr Peter Higgins For further information or interviews, please contact: Dr Peter Higgins 0410 676 365 Or email: [email protected]

Hmmm, I might have to dispute this. My dogs are like dairy cattle. If I do anything at the same time of day regularly, they notice & tell me when I change plans/timing. Mine are the same!! They know when the neighbour's kids are due home from school and sit at the window to see the excitement LOL. They also know when mum is due home from work etc. Mine KNOW exactly what time it is. If I come home an hour earlier, they are all snoring, and get BUSTED, if I am on time, they are waiting. And if he is happy when you are at work, he wont mind if you are late/ Tell him you need to have a life too, and he can nap longer He'll be good with that.

She should DEFINITELY complain to the state CC with supporting evidence. ie, copy of pedigree and dna tests. You are in another state, so I am not sure whether she will have to pay to undertake the claims process. Check that thorougly. I would phone them and put it to them verbally before I wrote. The breeder will be in trouble. And that's how it should. I can never understand WHy breeders do this. So shonky. Siccem

Welcome to DOL. I would seriously consider visiting a GOOD naturopath who handles dogs. I don't know any, except Robert McDowall and he is in NSW. Maybe someone here can recommend someone. It sounds to me as if her system is out of whack and if you get it working well again, the problems will abate. Visiting the derm would be a really good idea but I'd try the naturopath as well Floppy ears shouldn't cause ear problems, although sometimes they do.

So, are you going to dob in your fellow breeders? I operated a horse stud for years - it was quite difficult to take it from hobby to business statis, and ATO wanted to see plenty of movement and that it was being run as a business. There are a lot of things you can claim with a business, and the ATO is not keen for you to claim them unless you have reasonable taxable income. I think they may have cracked down because people have been reporting big puppy farms which are pulling a few hundred grand a year. If you have a few bitches, and it is a hobby, and you aren't making $20,000 out of it after expenses, forget it. I presume everyone has breeding records, as you should if you are an ANKC member, and that is your proof if ATO turns up. It's interesting that the ATO and Centrelink seem to have instigated new laws on dog breeders at about the same time. My paranoid and cynical side suspects the RSPCA lobbied them - in line with their discussion paper about breeders having ABNs. If I applied for an ABN, the tax office would laugh their heads off. I have about as much chance of registering as a business as flying to the moon, and I suggest most breeders would be in the same situation. People who have hobbies - horse breeding, cattle breeding, olive trees. alpacas etc are breaking their necks to be registered as businesses, because of the deductions,. If you earn $150,000 a year, you can write your expenses for breeding whatever against your income, and pay no tax. ATO is NOT keen about that. If in doubt, figure out how much you earn, and ask your accountant, or a decent accountant who deals with this type of business. He will tell you.

Yep, let the council know. I'd let the minister know too. RSPCA got busted big time over "there is an over supply of pets". Even the AVA busted them in 2006 - the figures tell the story, and pet ownership is actually declining. So now they are on the puppy farm bandwagon. You can only have 2 dogs in case you are a puppy farm If we don't ALL protest these encroachments into dog ownership, we wont be able to keep dogs. Go for it!!

I heartily agree, I think sometimes we get a bit too precious about everything, but keeping informed is good! Marlin was given ice cubes when she was teething and absolutely loved them she would hold them against her gums before crunching into little bits, she still gets one or two before bed, thinks it is the greatest treat but never after a run or when really hot. I do make larger blocks in old butter containers with a few treats frozen in water flavoured with a little stock. Keeps her occupied for ages licking and licking, especially on these hot days. She is especially fond of having her belly rubbed with an ice cube Exactly. I'd rather be precious than have a dead dog. Yep, me too. Dead is pretty final. Avoid all the problematical things.

Now that you mention it, I've never seen anything either. A good advertising campaign would reduce sales