Jed

My experience is that nothing you say will make any difference. People simply think dogs have pups, all goes well. They have rosy pictures of nice mums and nice pups. That often happens, but quite often it doesn't and these people have no knowledge or experience of that. And mostly, no one hears about the disasters. The euth video wont work, because she doesn't think it will happen to any of her pups. Nothing much anyone says makes any difference because those things happen to other people. Here's a thread which may give you ammunition. Good luck!! http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...mp;hl=eclampsia

Mantis, he'll get over it. He has the irrits with you big time because he thinks you were unfair. Carry on as usual, but respect his right to give you the cold shoulder. He'll come around, and sooner than you think. He'll go "old bag is usually pretty good, didn't I read somewhere in Womens Weekly about irrational behaviour because of the menopause or pmt or something? Must be that, can't be anything I'VE done, so it's coz of her, so I'll have the s##ts for a bit and then get over it when I've given her the business a bit"

Quite a few, well loved and special horses and dogs, and small animals. I believe that I should be there to help them on their journey, and wish them Godspeed, so they are with someone familiar, who they trust. Some people can't face being there, and whilst I understand that, I do think that it is the last important thing we do for our animal friends' well being, and we owe it to them to be there. To give them comfort and reassurance. JMHO. And it doesn't get any easier with time. Maybe you reconcile to it a bit, but it's never easier.

Excellent, but no one will believe it. Click on some of the icons, and you get ... HSUS gets a similar review. Plenty of links there too, to animal rights.

Sounds as if the staff's lack of English could be the problem. Or, they realised what the dog was, and wouldn't let it in anyhow, but needed a story for the hearing. Who said galahs? I'm with you And what exactly is a "gay dog"? Wearing nail polish? A dress? False eyelashes? Barks in a high squeaky voice? Pink bow on the head? Yep, galahs :D

That's a bit rude, a full on teenage Wei is not for everyone. Finding the dog that is suitable is all that is needed. I dont know about that... I'd probably be pretty defensive if it was my breed too. The dog is only behaving exactly the way you would expect a dog of that breed and age to act. The OP made a mistake in choosing a Wei (or any large breed, high energy dog) if she cannot/does not want to deal with that kind of behaviour. But no point in flaming now, the deed is done, she is returning the dog and I think she has learnt her lesson too. I disagree, just because one individual of a breed does not suit a situation does not mean the OP shouldn't have a dog. This dog also sounds as if it has not had a lot of groundwork put into it before the OP took it on, if it had it could well have been much more suitable. I agree with that, the dog sounds as if he has had very little groundwork. The dog then becomes a double handful for someone else. A lesson which should be learned by everyone is that taking on a juvenile dog of a larger breed, from rescue means the dog is probably going to need extensive work, particularly if it is over 10 months old but not mature. That's the lesson, not that there is any fault with the op. An out of control dog is a problem with little kids. Fact of life. It is extremely difficult to obtain a well trained dog of this age from rescue, because it is only rarely that owners surrender them if they are perfectly behaved. So, what you are getting is a dog which has problems, and which is going to have more slotting into a new and different home and lifestyle. It is suffering grief and loss because it doesn't have its old home, it has a whole new routine, rules, people to learn, and if the behaviour wasn't excellent to begin with, these problems are combined with an urgent need for the dog to be trained. A big ask, imho. Blues & Boots And that critical comment would come from your extensive knowledge of the op, would it?

Personally, I think the green dream should be compulsory for dogs with a history of attacking.

You've already read it, t-time

Congratulations, he looks marvellous. Will he be a show boy?

You mean for ... money ...? Whee!! I could afford a new show umbrella then!! And some running shoes instead of the thongs ................... oh the excitement!! But what could I call it? "Jed's Ramblings" just doesn't have that aura of success about it, does it?? But I suppose Buster Lloyd Jones sold a lot of books I wrote most of a Mills & Boon once, got near the end, didn't finish it. Computer was superseded, always meant to pull it off that computer and finish it ..... still mean to. Let a few people read it, to see if they liked it, they did. Was about a chick whose ambition was to ride at the Olympics, she devoted her whole life to it, the horse broke down, so it wasn't happening. Her mother sent her "out west" to get away from it all .... and when she was there, she met two brothers ... you know, the nice one, and the dark, brooding one ........ who ignored her. It had lyrical descriptions of warmbloods doing tempi changes, and training, so it should have appealed to horse lovers, it had descriptive passages about kwala bears and kangaroos (and a goanna, I believe) so the nature lovers would have enjoyed it, and of course, it had plenty of (almost) steamy stuff, it had descriptions of country life, one of the brothers had a secret, of course, and it had a happy ending. All her dreams come true, and of course, she gets off with one of the brothers. That ridiculous Aussie author who writes about the outback and horses, and always gets the horse stuff wrong sold heaps - so who knows. Wish I could remember her name. Wish I could remember my name

Plenty of pictures and Info on the net, then you can base your OWN opinion on them as It always will vary between different folks! The only deceivers are GCCC Maybe you don't remember the biggest blunder that was caught out Involving the 22 point checklist, and now you dare call this litigant, her advisers & supportersl will to blame. Fools, one & all....... What a joke!! GCCC are nothing but a bunch of fools themselves I remember the 22point checklist, and I don't have a very high opinion of the majority of GCC councillors ('cept Dawn), but imho, the litigant should have been smart enough not to bring the AST into the debate in the way it was brought in. Blind Freddy could see, with GCCC involved, that it would go the other way, and the AST would be in the sights, so I fail to understand why the litigant didn't. The only other theory I have is that it was seen as a strategy to have that particular dog released, and that is disappointing. To save one dog and thereby put thousands of others in peril is reprehensible. If it was done to prove a point, maybe someone more experienced and switched on should have been leading the silk. Acknowledge faults and mistakes, move on. Whether this gross mistake can be over-ridden by someone else (probably the CCCQ) is another matter.

, geez, Billy must be a Lithuanian goat. He didn't bite anyone though, maybe not! Can't trust goats. You know, maybe the nursing home needs some Lithuanian Goat Catching Retrievers??

With the general unrest of DogsNSW members with the board, and other things have to wonder how this will go. The UK KC accredited breeder scheme has a cost factor. Some UK breeders wont support it because they say they pay, but there is really no difference, except the KC gets more money. I don't know much about it, but those breeders are ones I would import from. As far as NSW is concerned, there is already dissatisfaction that breeders records are channelled to a department at Sydney University, which is demonstrably against purebred dogs, and wishes to force EBV and COI on mostly unwilling breeders. Additionally, I understand hip scores have also been given to Sydney university, supposedly for evaluation, and dissemination of the results to breeders, but this has never been done, and recent scores are not available. Not sure how accurate this latter is, but it does seem to be so, according to the vets who are scoring the x rays.

Hi, VA, my commiserations. Don't worry, although Hank loves you, he will find another home, and love them too. I breed boxers, and juvenile boxer, wei, Vizla, (and a few other breeds) are high energy, highly intelligent, and need early - baby puppy - training. If they don't get that important early training, they are a total pain in the neck. People who surrender them mostly do so because the dog is adult size, with a baby brain, totally feral and untrained, too much for them, and it is a BIG ask for someone to take the dog on and turn him into a responsible member of doggy society. Some friends of mine took on a Vizla about this age. He had spent his previous life in the backyard. They are very dog savvy, but he was a big job, and there were many frustrations. Don't lose your confidence. Hank needs much more time and training than a baby puppy, he needs time, training out of old bad habits, and into new good habits. I can understand that you feel he is too much for you. He will also need much more than a week. It will take him 3 months to settle in properly, and a couple of months for him to know how the house works, and what not to do. Don't give up on the breed, if that is the breed you want. Either choose an older, trained dog, or a baby puppy, and start the training the second day you get him - with sit!! Good luck

Thanks guys!! The brother of the pup I sent on the train went to somewhere out in the boonies. He was to be shown. I never heard from them after them telling me he arrived safely on the plane. I was so disappointed, he was a lovely pup. About 18 months after they bought him, I received a lovely studio photo of the dog (cocker) beautifully trimmed and groomed, he was stunning. There was a little card which said "This is Rusty. He didn't like your diet. He likes rump steak and chocolate icecream. And he is now Champion xxx" I never heard from them again, but I figured he was good for life.

Good breeders care. My first mentor, now elderly, is in a nursing home, living in a rather nice world not connected to this one. I generally take a dog of the breed to see her, and they mug everyone else in the room, and generally create havoc, licking bed bound old ladies, climbing onto beds with semi comatose people, mugging staff - but everyone loves it. Except me, I am embarrassed. She is more sentient when I have a dog with me. She loves it when the dogs visit. Last time, she said to me, when I took my flashy red and white bitch, "This isn't Maggie, where's Maggie?". Quite accusatory!! Maggie was a beautiful flashy red and white, quite similar to the girl I visited with, but bred by her, and died in 1980!! I said no, it wasn't Maggie, and she said she knew that, the mouth wasn't as good, nor was the rise of skull Who bred it? Why did I go there? I told her because she wasn't breeding any more. She said she would have sold me a better one. Really, when she is with it she hasn't changed a bit!! Breeders never forget.

This is Maurice. His owner suffered a bad break, and asked me to rehome him, as she couldn't care for him while she was mending. I said I would take him, and when she was better, she could decide what to do. If she wanted me to rehome him then, I would, if not, she could have him back. He arrived here, everyone said "oh, you're back, what have you been doing?". He knew everyone straight away, settled right in. When the owner was better, she took him back, of course. I knew she would

Here's a photo - about 12 years ago - the big one standing is the big sister, and the one lying is the younger brother who is in the photo in my last post. I sold a pup last year. The prospective owner had 3 of the breed before, and she brought pedigrees and photos of them. On looking at the pedigrees, I discovered the first one she owned was sired by a pup I bred. He went interstate on the train, and I remember so clearly taking him to the busy metropolitan station, and he was so confident amid all the bustle and people walking around, and I was so pleased, but so sad to see him go. There was a cinder in my eye, I think. He caught the 6pm train, and travelled all night. I put him in his crate, in the care of the guard, and left his dinner box with him. I phoned the next day, and spoke to the guard. He had the pup out playing with him for most of the journey! The new owners were so pleased with him (and they should have been, he was by an imported dog from quite famous English lines). They showed him successfully for a while, but then their kennels burned down, killing many of their dogs, which was terribly sad. Luckily the boy survived, but they didn't show any more, and didn't breed much, they were too upset. And the pup that the woman bought? He was very naughty in puppy pre school, but came good toward the end, and blitzed 'em all. Now she wants to do obedience with him. I was so thrilled. His sister was puppy of breed 6 times from 6 shows, I'm not sure which one I am more pleased about. But I still breed them because I like them.

Absolutely, and I know where they all are. People ring me after a couple of years - "do you remember Nelson?". Do I ever, Nelson was the fatty of the litter, a big bold outgoing boy, lovely dark colour, loved cuddles, loved pulling the hem of trousers. People send me emails and photos, some regularly, some not so regularly. I keep in touch. I also will mind dogs I bred if people have a problem in their lives. I've sold 3 or 4 dogs to people over 30 years. I sold the flashy young bitch on the left as a pup to replace the older sister of the dog on the right, who died at 10. The people bought the first girl, loved her so much they came back for a brother from a later litter. When she passed, they wanted another relation. He is her uncle. I thought I might keep her, but their girl died suddenly, and the brother was distraught, so she went to live there, such a fantastic home. A couple of nice, healthy, lovely natured pet kids, doing what they are supposed to do.

Chronological age is less important than physical and mental maturity. 2nd or 3rd season is right for bitch's first litter. We are so busy now getting dogs titled and health tested that they are too old when they have their first litter, and consequently have difficulties whelping. Not all, but enough. Age of the dog is totally dependent on his maturity. And whether tests need to be undertaken prior to mating. Again, a stud dog who learns his job as a youngster usually turns into a good stud dog, all other things being equal. There is also evidence that the best pups overall are produced from younger bitches.

Bails, this may be of help. Ester C in large doses has been found to be beneficial. Dr. Wendall Belsfield did prevent CHD in litters of GSD. There is also evidence that the use of Ester C in dysplastic dogs did help, as per the article below. There does some to be some clinical trials done too. I went to Dr. Belsfield's site to download for you, but it didn't load properly, but a search of DOL brought this up. You could google Dr. Belsfield, and find the site, or other sites and read for yourself. I don't believe Ester C does any harm (a lot of breeders feed it as a routine thing, and Dr. Billinghurst recommends it), and if I had a dysplastic dog, and there was a chance it would assist, I would be using it. No dog is born with HD - it develops - and I often wonder if modern life/pollutants/some inbalance in the diet assists. Hope this helps your dog, bails. This is a quote from that thread - Aziah, I think - sorry if it is not!!

Black Bronsen The "snowball" effect occurred in this case, because the litigant argued that the AST and APBT were the same breed. The court ruled on the argument presented to it, which is fair. However, GCCC is not particularly dog friendly (to bull breeds anyhow) and in this particular case, the litigant had been a thorn in their side for quite some time. And the opportunity arose to add Amstaffs, so they are now considering it. Amstaffs have been in the gun sights for quite some time. The ANKC has been working hard to keep them from danger, and it had worked. Various councils can make their own laws about banned or restricted breeds, and most of them did. There are other breeds included in other council by laws. I don't believe the situation with the court ruling was an agenda to include other breeds in BSL. However, I believe, as per my earlier post, that more dogs will be added.

I've been using a "bastardised" version for years. I read about it years and years ago for horses, tried it, and found it very effective, particularly with youngsters during handling, and in new situations. I tried it with the pups, and did t hink it had made a difference. It was so long ago that I read about it, I am probably not doing it right. And it's difficult to remember what they were like before. However, I have dogs who are very easy to do anything with. Puppy buyers often tell me how good the dogs are. Whether they would have been anyway - I don't know, but I keep doing it. Probably should get the magazine and refresh my memory

Mita, would you consider posting that thread on the forum for studies about dogs? It seems to be a good one, and if it is there, it wont be lost as threads move down.

Ah, the whelpings - the big ones stand outside and perve in the window!! I draw the curtains, and the really nosy one presses her face to the window, trying to peek through the curtains, until ordered away!! The heavy breathing gives her away! Grandmas are good - my grouchy one has been known to give really intrepid pups a damn good gumming if the growl doesn't work. And I love the way the mums stand back and let the lesson proceed. Not the slightest bit worried about the kid.