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*nods* Cav rescue (all states) and Cav breeders try really hard to pull any cavs from pounds asap. They are basically sitting on the start line, waiting to go and get the dogs. It's not about money or profit, it is because every cav breeder is appalled to think of a Cav, sad, unhappy, alone, frightened, being in a pound. There is also the fact that rescue/breeders think they can find a better home than the pound can, and the dog will be desexed before leaving rescue. I advertised a rescue cav in the paper once, and Cav Rescue phoned me up to try to take the dog before a puppy farm got him. We all had a good laugh about that when we each realised who it was

If he used the methods he advocates on his own dogs as depicted on the youtube video ---- well make up your own minds, but I certainly wouldn't waste $$ on the book. Mita Well, he's rumoured to be in bed with them (except Rob Zammit), so what could be expect??

Oops, got excited and pushed too many buttons!!

Thanks for posting that Aidan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0t32b7QK5U On this video is the cross bred, untested male dog which McGreevey was studding out on the net. Frozen semen was available. I notice his pup is on the video with the mother. One can only hope that he only had the one service. Plenty of dogs like that in the pound Paul, get one there next time you want one, eh rather than adding to the numbers, eh? So ironic that he wanting to tell registered breeders how to do it, and he is studding that thing. I mean - really. I know it is old, but it's not even a particularly good mover or well conformed. Could it actually catch a full mouth full fleece weather???? Prolly not. What a hoot

Might take pre-orders on the book? Trouble is I think I've posted all the stories here. Dogbesotted - I bred the brindle bitch on the previous page. I don't drown them at birth but I am just not keen on brindles. And I love her colour, but not enough to keep her, obviously If you have a brindle, I'd admire it but I don't want one, I find reds more pleasing to the eye. A good dog is a good dog. Have had one brindle dog. He was imported, it was brindle or nothing, so it was brindle, and yes, I loved him to bits. He was a bit slow, but very sweet and kind. Some men like blondes - I like reds Brindle maremmas. What's wrong with white white white? They don't even get dirty. Deshonko & Shonkypaws Kennels might try to develop a brindle maremma. (Off to the lab now to see what's on the slab)

Oh dear, wonder if this will be more of "all companion animals should be free"? Perhaps "companion animals" now includes horses. I must agree that horses would prefer not to be trained, but once you explain to them that the alternative is racing at the greyhound track (IN a greyhound) or in a steel stable on a supermarket shelf, they do seem to undestand that occasionally being ridden is preferable!! And of course, with the usual suspects in attendance, you could only think the worst, Erny. Moving out seems good to me. Must be the air here, that we breed more ratbags per square mm than "they" do shortstep Oh, we're awake, but unfortunatley, governments know little of the subject and are easily swayed. They are also likely to do trade offs, as in "we'll give you doggies' tails, if you leave the lambs' tails alone". Oh dearie me yes!

How can the people who are donating know for sure that the money they are donating is going where they think it is going? Anyone asking for money on something as anonymous as an internet forum must have proof of where the money is going and complete and transparent accountability which is readily available for the public and those donating to see. The people who are supposed to be recipients of the donations may not even exist. And if they do, donors need to be sure the money is being received by then. Always ask any organisation if they are going to issue a receipt, so you can claim if off your tax. And make sure you do get one. If private individuals are asking, ensure that they are genuine, and their needs are genuine. As a potential donor, if checking isn't easy, keep your money in your pocket.

HFB, crumbling over the end of a relationship is ok - you need to get past it, and only grieving works. Later you see that the relationship ended to make way for the better one, or for you to be happily single to experience all that has to offer. But at the time, it's the bloody pits! Wine is good, it's the hangover ..... You know I am not incredible, just did what had to be done. But I was bought up to believe that every living thing I owned was entitled to the best I could give it - for life. I had a great week this week - saw Guy Spagnolo win BOB with his lab, saw the Sammy win puppy of the day. Went to another show on sat, caught up with some friends. The might Dell computer hasn't arrived yet. there was no problem with it being ready. The problem was the delivery mob - Star Track - turned up unexpectedly, we were at the Royal. There was a card in the letterbox. I phoned the next morning, told them we would be home till 11.3o or 12 then out (hospital appointment at 1). No, they couldn't tell the driver that, he just arrived sometime between 8 and 5. No, they wouldn't tell hm not to bother coming in the afternoon. Got home to find another card in the letterbox to say he arrived at 1.30 Phoned them again. No they would continue to attempt to deliver daily Decided to spend all of Monday at home, waiting for the delivery Phoned Monday morning at 9am to ensure they were going to deliver. No they weren't going to deliver today. The c omputer was in the warehouse (miles away), it could be collected. No, didn't suit me. Told them I would be home after 1 tomorrow. O K with them (that was a shock, because the other staff had told me they would not advise whether deliveries would be am or pm) Have a hospital appointment at 11 - and I need to keep them. I am phoning in the morning to see what happens. If they haven't managed to deliver by Wednesday, Iam cancelling the order, and sending a letter of demand for a refund. At least if I go to office works, they have them in stock, and I can walk out with one. *sigh* More exciting news later this week...

So terribly tragic - elephants are just so big and noble, it's heartbreaking when they are injured or killed. Hope the driver gets his - if he had followed procedure and slowed down as directed this might not have happened

casowner, how terrible. LG worm their way into your being, and it is a huge loss when they go. I am so sorry. If it is not too upsetting, what happened to Jake? I do feel for you.

Another example of needless legislation. People who sell pets already have the right not to sell to anyone they don't want to sell to. And lawyers would know that. I have to wonder why they are wanting unnecessary legislation. Refer contract law. Somone makes you an offer, you can either accept or reject. Some friends of mine owned a pet shop some years ago and they were very fussy about where the pups went, so often said no, which it was within their rights to do

I would like to nominate someone - I posted this here ages ago ..... Walking The Best Cocker Spaniel in The World on lead on the beach. We are minding our own business. I am thinking, and TBCSITW is probably wondering how good seagulls taste. Along comes a biggish black dog (lot bigger than TBCSITW) off lead, with two mid twenties young men. Black dog shows some interest in cocker. I ask them to put dog on lead. They ignore me. One young man says to the other "Look, there is one of them poofy spaniel things lets get it, what a poof" and proceeds to set his big black dog on TBCSITW. Black dog goes into skitch mode - ears, hackles and tail up and walks up to Magnus. I let him off lead, so he trots up to the black dog - with the two blokes watching with anticipation. Of the black dog killing the poofy cocker, I suppose Cocker and black dog meet. Black dog postures and threatens and while he is doing that cocker goes for black dog, grabs hold of him, flips him on his back, stands over him, teeth on front of neck, growling savagely. Looks pretty bloodthirsty. Black dog looks a goner!! Young men are faintly green, black dog is lying v e r y still. I say to young men "I asked you to put that dog on a lead, so it's all your fault you idiots". And called TBCSITW Off - took a few calls, but he swaggered back to me, stopping to scratch up a bit of sand over the black dog, and to lift his leg to show who was boss. Those morons will NEVER set their dog on a dog again. And I am not sure that the dog would do it again. I am not sure how serious it was going to get, but TBCSITW wasn't frightened of anything much. He never started fights, but I think he had an aura of "don't mess with me" which other dogs picked up.

Some of you know that my house burned down in May. Two of my great breeder friends are doing a wonderful job caring for my dogs. Since then I have been an itinerant, living with friends Australia wide. I am currently living with friends in Victoria. the 6 month old boxer has become a teenager and needs some specific boxer training. I probably need an interest. I am well enough to have a dog now with some help from my friends. I am wondering if anyone is travelling Brisbane to Melbourne and woiuld be prepared to take this girl with them?

s'ok, Ellz you had already said it, I didn't see the need to repeat it Even if it is pacers, people should know to whom the money is going - not just pacers, the person in need. All agencies need to be accountable and transparent.

Thiswould be handled by pacers I think ellz. Julie would gather the details, and put them here - name, area where they live, and problem, so forum members are only donating to a genuine person in need. SOME Rescues and others seeking donations on here have been exposed as scams. Make sure whether you are giving money directly or via someone else, that you have full details. In most cases, it is safer to give to the vet/doctor etc involved, or to a business so the people can access the goods not the money It's easy to give $$ to unworthy causes, or to people who are simply collecting for themselves, don't give your hard earned dough to a scam

I am not sure whether you were enquiring about whether you could help, or about whether others on the forum could help. I don't think it is allowed to be posted here - but - if you are wanting to help please phone the number and see what they want. Offer physical assistance erecting the fence -not $$. If they refuse, it is probaby a scam. If you really want to help go and meet them, and ensure that their request is genuine. It may be a scam to get money from the kind hearted. NEVER give money over the internet to anyone at all no matter how good they sound. If someone else is soliciting on their behalf, and you don't know the people who need help, ensure that their name and location is in the details not just something vague; ie - don't give for someone who needs an operation on their dog or food for their children Give to Bill Smith of Wakely, who needs an operation on his dog --- offer to give the $$ to the vet surgery. You will often see people in rescue threads with a rescue dog needing something, and posters offer to send money to the vet. Otherwise there are full details and photos Hope this helps you not to be ripped off It's easy to be ripped off over the 'net

Very magnanimous of you. If you don't believe me, why not check with DogsQld?. I have no idea why she was screaming about bloodlines, whether the dogs have registrations or not makes no difference to bloodlines. DogsQld tends to ban people who break the rules. But they do need to know

Thanks for that heartening news, dancinbcs!! Oh, Melbomb, imagine me being on an RSPCA rescue show!! I mean, really?? hotfurball - I doubt that Pheonix will be shown - plain boxers are not prime show ring candidates - and I have no idea whether she is show quality or not. I can't remember. I suspect she is but it would be hard to title her. That nasty scar + the one on her tail would make it difficult. Her sister, who wins heaps has white on her face, chest and legs. R&L & MM. thanks!! I have no idea how Pheonix was burned. Must have been when I took them out of the house - at 8 weeks, they were too big to all be carried properly together, so I was holding some part of each pup, sort of dangling them - it wasn't far to outside. I had one by a leg - not sure which pup, but it seemed quite happy. If I had been able to carry all 6, they would all have been saved, but they were too big. My arms were burned by bits of the burning ceiling falling onto them, so I guess the same thing must have happened to Pheonix. She didn't say a word, such brave little girl. That was my last litter, but I think I will probably breed with her, to try for a show one. Maybe not, see what happens. This is my idea of a show boxer ---- And this is Pheonix's big sister, Eva Luvmycav - the dogs are being well cared for, by lovely caring, experienced breeders -- I chose my carers well -- and wrote it into my will ages ago. They knew if anything happened to me, to come and get the dogs and take c are of them. If I died, they would have found them lovely new homes. NZVizla - I can't undo the past, I have lived that, and suffered. It's now part of life. My choice was to accept it, take anything positive and move on, or be stuck in the same place, reliving the sadness, sorrow and tragedy of the fire all my life. I chose to move on. I've had great help emotionally and physically in terms of supportive messages, donations, cards, a painting of Magnus, other goodies too numerous to mention from the dog community, which has been incredibly helpful. I am also fortunate that I have great friends (some greater than I realised) who were and are ready and able to care for me while I heal. People donated so that my friend Toohey from DOL could be at the bedside when I woke up, and would be my very own personal nurse, supporting and helping me through the difficult transition from unconscious to conscious - and through the knowledge about the dogs. She willingly gave a week of her life to supporting me (and putting up with me whining and complaining about everything) - which wasn't easy. - Spending every day for a week in hospital with a crochetty and cantankerous burns victim must have been the pits. Since I've been ambulatory, I've been offered 3 show pups as gifts from wonderful breeders. How good is all that? And all that encourages me to stay strong, and keep moving forward away from the horror and trauma There are lots of people who come to DOL, who are a lot worse off than I am, and they bravely soldier on.

I don't do progesterone testing, and I offer the stud dog only minimal help - mostly I point and wave the first time and after that I expect him to be able to do it. My expectation is that a "decent" stud dog will tell me when the bitch is ready, and get on with the job himself - but he must allow me to help if necessary. I'm not slack, I just have very firm ideas about the fitness of dog and bitch to be having pups, that go further than vet or genetic health tests. My idea of a good mating, is sitting in the kitchen enjoying a chardy with the owner of the dog. :rofl It's hard to give advice without seeing the dogs. The bitch will often stand and appear compliant, but it not ovulating. Feel the vulva. If she is ready to mate, the vulva will be very soft - it will feel the same as your top lip does. If her vulva feels the same as the end of your nose, she is not ready - too hard, and the male probably will not achieve penetration. Most dogs will keep the sheath over the penis, extending it only as they actually enter the bitch. The last mating I did (outside dog) the bitch was ready from 14th to 22nd day (from memory), had 7 pups.

Steve Naw, she was chucked out of DogsQld years ago.

I must have become totally incoherent, or unintelligible. I am well aware that most breeds were working long before there were shows. Often centuries before. Refer to the Lithuanian Goat Catching Retriever. I am sorry you misunderstood my entire post. Maybe I need a cognition check.

This is not going to be the most popular post I've made, and it's one of the few which bash breeders. As far as I am concerned, there is ONE type in each breed. Unfortunately, someone decided 1. they wanted a "working" dog, the pedigree dog they had wouldn't do it - 2. they had a good working dog of the breed - and they wanted more so they decided they would breed their own - and they weren't careful enough to source dogs of the breed with the correct conformation AND temperament. Or maybe they didn't understand genetics, or conformation, they just knew what they wanted, so they mated ugly or really off type dogs with working ability together - so they got workers, but so different from the breed norm, they could be another breed. Conversely, "show breeders" somehow lost the plot, and began breeding for conformation without thinking about working ability. They put two ditzy dogs which were great lap dogs but hopeless workers together, and bred more ditzies. Of course - no matter what you do, you do get klutz's in some litters - either from a working or conformation view ---- that's cool, but those dogs shouldn't be bred from. I personally believe it is a terrible pity that some breeds are split like this, when we should have dogs which can work, and not nuts, and they look as they should. We have had to damp down some breeds, but they were mainly the guarding breeds - so they could live in society. I am not talking about activity level, I am talking about the being very keen to bite. However, there are SOME breeders breeding dogs which will work and which will win in the ring. I saw a beautiful collie rough working sheep some years ago - he was a top worker. He was also an show champion. Dogs like that are the exception, not the rule. Cocker spaniels are split into working/bench, but I have a friend who has dogs which can do both, and do do both. They do obedience, retrieve, win in the ring, and are homey pets too. the conformation standard describes a dog which can do the job - unfortunately, the breeders have fallen down on the job, and the buyers do not know who has dual purpose dogs. They are out there. It saddens me that as breeders, we are so poor that we cannot breed dogs which fill the standard, win in the ring and will do the job they were originally bred for. One of the problems is that a lot of breeders only breed for a few years. They have some litters, they learn as they go, but unfortunately, the dogs they bred while they were learning went into the gene pool, and so it continues. So sad. We breeders need to pull our socks up, I think. Rant over. Normal programming can now resume.

Guardienne Srsly?? The managed to seize Rozzie's dogs. After the dogs languished in the pound for months and RSPCA killed a few, Rozzie was prosecuted because a rescue dog she had had for a couple of days had worms. Powerless to prosecute? They managed to shoot Ruth Downey's cattle, even though there was feed on the property, and the cattle were actually in good condition. According to the videos. The RSPCA seems quite able to prosecute Judy Gard for debarking. I note that her dogs won quite a lot at Melb Royal. Not quite the same as the dogs on the puppy farms, eh? Sorry, when people write as above, and there is lots of evidence to debunk it, people do not believe it. Ban dogs in pet shops, encourage the RSPCA to enforce existing laws, The dogs in PF we see photos of are seriously abused. There is plenty of legislation in Vic now for the RSPCA to proscute, but that legislation applies only to ANKC breeders, apparently.

Mackiemad, pf is a business. Take away 70% of the market, lots of the expenses are still there, but the profits are gone. Even if you advertise, it's hard work selling a lot of dogs personally. Take my word for it - it's a lot of work selling one litter never mind a couple of hundred PF rely on sales to pet shops. The one I mentioned earlier with 300 dogs sells 100% of pups through pet shops, particularly the puppy shops in Bris. 2 hours drive out of Bris, how many of the pet buying public would drive up there on weeikends? A lot of these people are grubs with no people skills and the public wouldn't buy from them. It wont totally solve the problem, but it will make a big difference and if the problem was smaller there are other things which could be done. PF phone up pet shops to book pups in. The one which was prosecuted by the RSPCA sold in Briisbane, through both puppy shops all points north to Noosa. Also sold in parks RSPCA could prosecute a lot more ..... maybe it is the problem of what to do with seized dogs which stops them, but they don't seem to raid these joints. The most recent cop was a joint effort by RSPCA and biosecurity with biosecurity footing the care bills.

O.K. so we ban the sale of live animals in pet shops - what then? People will still be breeding lots of dogs, people will still be buying lots of dogs, people will get more money for what they breed because there is no middle man. No middle man to filter out the rotten operators and act as a buffer between rotten breeders and the new owners. What then? Instead of being totally negative, and via that, either allow puppy farms to prosper, or registered breeders to suffer, why not try to be positive for once - if ONE thing happened - that is - the sale of pups in pet shops was stopped, there would be a huge improvement. You sell pups, you are aware of the time and effort involved in selling 100 pups. Imagine travelling 100 pups somewhere on a weekend and selling them? Even without any paper work, and very little dialogue with the buyer, no one would have time. Also imagine 50 puppy farms each with 100 pups to sell on a weekend. Where are the buyers? At least 70% of puppy farm stock are sold through pet shops. 50% of the people who would buy from pet shops would not buy elsewhere. Preventing the sale of pups in shops would need to be accompanied by a media campaign to educate people to buy privately. The RSPCA is keen on stopping puppy farms, they have lots of dosh, and the media smarts. Let them show how genuine they are by providing a media campaign for this Then concerned proper breeders can stop worrying, and the RSPCA can use the existing animal husbandry laws to raid whatever puppy farms remain. Look at it from the other side. I am surprised a breeder can't see the difficulties involved for puppy farms if the pet shop market was closed. Attempt ONE THING at a time in a positive way. For the good of the dogs.