Jed

From facebook (site quoted above)

Hotfurball Unfortunately, AR in it's many guises, is centred on promoting the demise of the dog, via any and all means, including supposed lack of health and inbreeding. Most of the "dog" organisations, AKC, CKC, etc are defending the dogs, but breeders/fanciers also need to defend at grass roots level, which is what is happening here. No one is defending the dodgy - we are refuting an overall view that all pedigree dogs as unsound, badly treated and being bred by careless and selfish breeders who care only for show wins, not dog welfare. And who are becomimg more unsound and used by the year. Which is simply not true. But if WE don't spread the message, no one will.

Thanks for posting that. Very informative. Did you notice in the paper that a 4 year old girl was in hospital or 3 weeks with a tick? The parents thought ticks only affected animals, which is sad. Think a bit more education would be excellent.

The a/c in the centre will be running even though the centre is closed. Complaints should be made to centre management. I would prefer no pups in shops but I think this is another Oscar's Law beat up. They have shown they are careless with the truth when it suits their purpose. There seems an air of hysteria on facebook, which is never good.

Sounds as if they were totally off their faces. Go Police Dogs!!

I always believed that dog show judges were supposed to judge the dogs against the standard, not each other. Has something changed?

Somehow,because Don Burke said the above, it has moved into a popular belief. Hybrid vigour occurs when one species is mated with another (lion x tiger etc). The info is on the net about breeding one dog breed to another, but if you check the proper scientific information, it is incorrect. If you cross a linebred dog with an outcross, you often get stunning pups, same if you cross one linebred example with another from a different line.

I don't know, extra hair can become a problem with herding a hunting breeds, overheating, hindering movement, collecting seeds and burrs etc and not being able to see. I think that's why the more extreme versions of some breeds should be kept in the show ring. By all means breed them if you want but they aren't built for their original purpose anymore. Everything is exaggerated beyond use. Which herding and hunting breeds are you speaking of, MUP?

Good luck Rocket, I bope the precedents established set you free too

interesting to know the purpose

Does anyone remember the Border Collie which did major damage to a 6 year old's face in Vic a few years ago. The original media release was that the dog belonged to the grandparents, and children and their parents arrived, and the dog, which had known the child from a baby suddenly bit her with no warning. Just snapped. The mother was interviewed later for TV. The dog was past middle age (forgotten, 10? 11?) and the child had been sitting on the dog since the child was a baby. Apparently, the dog was always happy about that. According to the mother On this visit, the child again sat on the dog, and jumped up and down a bit and the dog whipped around and bit her hard on the face. Suddenly turned, of course. I always feel the parents should be educated in what is acceptable to a dog, and what is not. And that video - uneducated people are frightened of rotts. How kind is that one? One of my boxer's was marvellous with the children. She treated them just like her pups and if they pulled her ears, or tried to sit on them, she turned around, looked them in the eye, opened her mouth and said "gggggrrrrrrrooooowwwwwllll" as loudly as possible. She never bit them, or even looked as if she would. Reasonable forms of interaction were welcome, lack of respect was not. She was a wonderful influence on the kids!! Thanks for putting that up Espinay.

Animal Rights said that ethical breeders would only breed when they wanted something for themselves. That entered the culture of dog breeding, so where once breeders would have a litter or two to supply pets to nice families, and help others into the fancy, as they saw that as part of being responsible breeders - helping others to buy and enjoy their breeds - they then changed to only breeding for themselves --- which may have meant a litter once a year - or twice. So numbers bred Australia wide, fell to 299. Additionlly maltese are beloved of puppy farming, so breeders either bred less to stop bitches falling to into the hands of puppy farmers, or desexed before sale, but were in every case, very careful where pups went. And who could blame them? Those thousands of people (the public) who are buying oodles and maltese x have no hope of getting a purebred maltese - there are simply not enough being bred So there are not enough people to run breed clubs, to work to run shows - and gradually the fancy disappears.

As I said in the beginning Jed this election would not be about those that voted, but about those that did not vote. And you were right. :D Shame more didn't bother. First time ever, and so few bothered

In the case which was discussed, there were more than 10 fertile bitches (apparently) so the kennel would be subject to the relevant government regulations etc as far as welfare and housing were concerned, although they would also be bound by the COE of Vic Dogs.

34% of the membership gave ALL the members the directors they deserve.

IMHO, puppy teeth do some strange and wonderful things as they grow - undershot, overshot, just horrible, but if the parents have good mouths, 95% of their progeny do too, and experienced breeders will tell you not to look during the developmental stage. I have what I hope is a show pup - lovely mouth - should have a scissors bite; looked at her the other day - very undershot!! Shut her mouth did not look for a few weeks. Perfect scissors bite!! I love breeding dogs, you never know what will happen next.

Sorry Diva, NFF They do have he clout. Unfortunately, they also have the clout to swap the government for another in road into purebred dogs, and they are not reluctant to use it, so registered breeders should be aware of a possible trade off. RSPCA may be flying a kite too

I did wonder about the Fox Terrier and the shoulder/forearm construction, HW. There are Welsh Spaniels competing successfully in agility. I think a GSP would be too "wild". Are they successful at agility? Might as well have a dobe as far as size is concerned. Vizla's are not for everyone either, need a lot of training, and perhaps a bit much for a child. Shelties are good,but there is grooming and probably not big/robust enough for dobes.

I believe the daughter is tall, HW? And do you think that a Papillon would be a little fragile for dobe games? Here are a few - subject to further info from their breeders Fox Terrier (short haired) Spitz - Finnish, German (some grooming, but not difficult) Welsh Springer Spaniel I know nothing about them, but Manchester Terrier?

Yes - although they may have had a name change!

Ps - the dog world should be becoming RSPCA members, and nominating candidates for RSPCA committees. No one will bother doing it, of course.

The AFF will use their influence to prevent this becoming legislation. As they did with live exports, and docking of lambs. As the government "gave" the RSPCA legislation preventing docking of dogs if they would leave the docking of lambs alone, and not aggravate the AFF, no doubt another shonky deal can be worked out which will again disadvantage registered breeders and their dogs.

Is it to be her own pet? Or does she want to do competition with it? When my younger daughter was 10. she wanted a dog for her birthday - not a boxer, or a cocker. Something else, which was "hers". We finalllly settled on a Cavalier (or she did) and I still have the darned things!! :D

Some breeders in Aus register the dogs in USA with the relevant registry. I don't fully understand it but they are initially registered as puppies, and then registered again as adults. I understand there is some temperament or health testing involved in adult registration. I think the pups are recorded and then registered if up to standard This is for dogs descended from American Bulldogs which are registered in US - and in truth, all bulldogs should descend from stock registered in US. Maybe a few generations back, but the line would be there. I think there are also registries in Aust, but I know nothing about them. Mantis, think of a big boxer. I love 'em!! Unless you wanted to show at ANKC conformation shows, you should be able to buy a properly registered purebred American Bull dog. The only problem would be if someone decided to outcross a little and call them American Bulldogs but it should be possible to weed out those people. Search and rescue, police dogs, watchdogs, pets. Need some training, and reasonably experienced owners but not savage or nasty.

Pauchel, does your daughter wish to show? Do you want long or short hair? And I do understand about Cinders and the dobes.