DogsAndTheMob

That doesn’t sound like a good idea to me. The fact that he worked well for you at home doesn’t mean that he’ll work well for someone else in a very different environment. Also, a different style of handling could adversely affect his confidence and his understanding of your handling style. Many years ago, I lent my obedience competition dog to a very skilled handler to handle in a display. (The handler went on to become one of the top obedience triallers in the country.) Despite her skill, it took me a long time to fix the problem she created by correcting him for actions she’d inadvertently cued with her body language.

I think the Crufts Vulnerable Breed Competition is a great idea, but I wonder whether the more popular breeds are almost as vulnerable. In terms of breed preservation, the most important factor is not the number of dogs born or even the number of breeding dogs but rather the number of dogs that will contribute to the breed in the long term. This number reduces generation by generation and has now done so for well over a century. Firstly, in most breeds, only a small proportion of puppies are registered as main register. This protects kennels’ reputations but I don’t know how much it protects the dogs from careless breeding outside the registry. It DOES reduce the effective population size for these breeds within the internationally recognised registries. Secondly, only some of the main register dogs will be bred and a few amongst those will contribute disproportionately to the next generation. There are sometimes very sound health, temperament and conformation reasons to exclude a dog from a breeding program but often the decision to breed one dog in preference to his equally sound sibling is based on chance. A show dog may be preferred because his flashier markings have caught the judges’ eyes or a working gun dog may achieve success because he has been trained more skilfully or campaigned more heavily. Breeders overlook the big contribution that his sibling could make, if bred selectively alongside his more successful brother - the potential to increase breeding population size and reduce inbreeding in future generations while retaining traits valued by the breeder. Thirdly, only a small proportion of kennels contribute to the breed in the long term. A lot of small and midsize kennels are dedicated to improving the breed and produce excellent quality dogs but lack the “name” and the success that would attract interest from other breeders. Their dogs are excellent ambassadors for the breed but don’t contribute to the gene pool in the long term. Finally, even the popularity of very successful kennels and bloodlines may wane over time, as breeders age and participate less in the dog world. If the breed is lucky, some of their dogs may make lasting contributions to the genetics of the breed. However, as preferences change, the qualities inherited by the descendants of their dogs may be overlooked by other breeders. I’ve seen that happen and it makes me sad… so much dedication to the breed just going to waste in the long term. The long term effects are a loss of heterogeneity - and arguably a loss of vitality - in individual dogs and a loss of genetic diversity across even popular breeds. After more than a century, I fear that I’m seeing the consequences of these genetic bottlenecks. I’m not saying the popular breeds will die out. Most won’t. They’ll be maintained by dogs bred outside the internationally recognised registries. But I think problems will increase within the popular registries. I’ll give you an example. I recently saw a discussion about Golden Retrievers in North America. Golden Retrievers have a high cancer rate, with a frightening number of very young dogs succumbing to lymphoma and slightly older dogs dying suddenly from haemangiocarcinoma. In this discussion, someone asked where they could find a puppy that wasn’t descended from a particular kennel whose dogs were rumoured to be at higher risk of cancer. They were told that it would be difficult to find a puppy whose pedigree didn’t trace back to that kennel. Whether or not the rumours about that kennel were true, I find it frightening that one kennel could contribute so disproportionately even to a very popular breed in one of the largest registries in the world.

Some beautiful colours in dogs and other animals may be associated with illness and discomfort. I’m saddened when aesthetic appeal is given priority over the animal’s wellbeing. I occasionally see dogs which look like homozygous Merle koolies, with extreme white colouring and pink eye-rims. They usually look uncomfortable in bright sunlight. I have seen a few with micropthalmia of one eye.

https://embarkvet.com/resources/embark-introduces-merle-coat-color-testing/ These details on Merle genetics are fascinating. I’ve seen a few genetically Merle border collies that appeared to be black and white, at least at a casual glance. This explains why.

Let’s take the discussion on Merle Poms out of the lost dog discussion. It seems that the decision to add the Merle colour to the AKC breed standard for Pomeranians was controversial. https://www.thedogpress.com/ClubNews/Tail-Wags-Dog_Coats-109.asp I don’t think it was a good decision. It is feasible that the gene was present in the breed, masked by the ee phenotype and other pale colours, but that in itself is an argument against approving it. The presence of a gene that is harmful in the homozygous form but can be masked by other coat colours in the heterozygous form is a recipe for problems. In breeds like collies, there is a longtime understanding that breeding Merle to sable is a bad idea. However, sub-setting breeds into separate populations based on colour exacerbates any inbreeding and population size concerns within the breed.

Not necessarily. Merle is an allowed colour for Pomeranians under the American Kennel Club breed Standard. https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/pomeranian/ https://images.akc.org/pdf/breeds/standards/Pomeranian.pdf But very probably, yes. Whatever breeds she is, my heart goes out to her and to her owners. I hope she has been or very quickly will be returned to her owners.

I worked in a (human) allergy testing laboratory in the 2000s. The science may have moved on but at that time gut issues were considered to be quite distinct from the allergies that caused skin and respiratory symptoms. Allergies causing skin and respiratory symptoms were thought to be triggered by proteins whereas gut sensitivities were more often triggered by an inability to digest sugars (such as lactose or fructose) or by other health problems. Skin allergy testing only looked for the triggers causing skin and respiratory symptoms.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there were links between colours and behavioural traits. Genes determine the sequence of amino acid s in proteins and proteins can have multiple functions, either directly or as precursor proteins. It is feasible that a gene could code both for a colour, colour dilution or absence of colour and for some neurological or endocrine trait that affects behaviour. After all, there are known links between colour genes and health or anatomical abnormalities, such dilute blue and alopecia, homozygous Merle and micropthalmia, and extended white and deafness. It’s a long time since I’ve read Horse Colour Explained by Jeanette Gower, but that book has a lot of interesting information on associations between colour genetics and health in horses. I can’t say that I’ve noticed a linkage between colour and behaviour in dogs, but it seems to me that long coated dogs often tend to be more mellow in temperament than short coated dogs, even within the same breed or closely related breeds. Of course, that might be because their softer appearance prompts people to treat them differently, causing different environmental conditioning.

This is what I would do in your situation… Join the Border Collie club of NSW and volunteer to help out at their events, Spend several months going to (and maybe volunteering at) Obedience trials, Agility trials and conformation shows. Look at the Border Collies there to see what you like and don’t like about the breed and individual dogs. Look at the event catalogues to find who bred the dogs you like. Talk to Border Collie owners at these events (if/when they are willing to talk with you) to find out their experiences with their dogs. Be polite and patient. Many people enjoy talking about their dogs but they will be at these events to compete, not to talk to you. Remember that their dogs were not born trained. Go to local dog training clubs and talk (politely and patiently) to owners there. This will give you an opportunity to meet dogs in training and pet owners with their border collies. When you’ve identified breeders whose dogs you like and who perform the required health testing, consider getting an adult dog. No one can adequately assess the suitability of a 8 week old puppy for a specialist role such as assistance dog work. Breeders sometimes need to rehome lovely adult dogs; they will have a much better idea whether these dogs are suitable for assistance dog training.

I think the video included in this news item shows two different dogs. The dog shown in most of the images is a short-backed dog with white toes. The dog seen in a CCV image being held by a woman after it killed her cat, Penelope, is a long-backed dog without white toes.

I hope the council is completely transparent in providing information on how many dogs were symptomatic, how many dogs were titre-tested to check their immunity and how many were euthanised for convenience, cost-saving or “just in case”. Although I accept that difficult decisions sometimes need to be made, I find it difficult to believe that none of the 21 dogs had protection from previous vaccination.

This article says that the company is also working on an anti-aging drug for dogs “of most sizes”. https://www.dvm360.com/view/a-clinical-trial-is-launched-for-a-novel-drug-that-could-extend-healthy-lifespan-in-senior-dogs

That’s a very pertinent observation! I skimmed the paper and had some concerns but didn’t consider that. Data for dogs whose vegan diets were discontinued due to health problems would have been excluded whereas the data for dogs who had a change in diet within the other very broad dietary categories would have been included. I noticed that the measure on veterinarian’s opinion is based on the dog’s “guardian’s” reports of their vet’s opinion rather than direct interviews with veterinarians. I wouldn’t consider that scientifically convincing. The data on number of veterinary visits is split into two categories - one visit vs two or more visits - for analysis. Splitting it into such broad categories is not good science because it’s often done when a more detailed analysis doesn’t produce statistical significance. Basically, the analysts can look at the various splits (1 vs more than one; 2 vs more than 2 etc) and find the split that gives the result they want.

I agree. Owners of all dogs need to take responsibility and I have no respect for anyone who lets their dog - big or little - annoy other people and dogs. However, as a lifelong owner of large dogs, I’m aware that they could easily cause severe injury, even by a friendly and overly exuberant greeting. I’d rather have a neighbour with a roaming dog that weighed 5 kg than one with a roaming dog that weighed 30kg.

As an aside, if you are thinking of getting two dogs, be aware that a lot of experienced dog people say that male dogs often make a lot of noise when fighting, but female dogs may do a lot more damage. My very limited experience of dog fights supports this.

That’s been my experience too. My mother and I raised littermates in the same home - twice. All four earned high level Obedience titles, including one Obedience Championship. I suspect that the littermate bond wouldn’t be a problem in a lot of pet homes. Busy families might be happy to have dogs that can entertain themselves by playing together.

This is from memory because I can’t find the original info…Back in the 60s and 70s, guide dog organisations sometimes placed two puppies from the same litter into the same home to be raised. When the puppies came back for evaluation and training, they found that those puppies had a higher failure rate than puppies that had been placed in homes separately from all their littermates. They hypothesised that puppies placed with littermates became so bonded to their littermates that they didn’t relate well to people.

I agree. I wonder if the council’s ranger was worried by the risks involved in catching three large dogs with a severe bite history, and couldn’t easily call on anyone else to assist. In fact, it might have gone against the council’s occupational health and safety guidelines. That’s why I think dangerous dog management might be better managed by the police. They have training and practice in reacting to dangerous situations and at least some of them are experienced in handling big, powerful dogs.

I agree, although I wonder whether the control of dangerous and potentially dangerous dogs should fall under the aegis of police rather than council. In the news story I’ve linked, a council representative is quoted as saying that they couldn’t impound the dogs without a court order, even after the attack on an elderly woman. I see a parallel to people carrying knives… police routinely confiscate knives without court orders. Another parallel… Service NSW is responsible for routine administration such as car registration and drivers’ licenses but the police can impound cars with dangerous defects. (I’m not sure about the division of responsibilities in other states). In my opinion, three large, free-roaming dogs are as dangerous as a car with bald tires. https://7news.com.au/news/woman-71-seriously-injured-in-horrific-dog-attack-in-sunbury-victoria--c-15884170

Let’s not be too quick to cast blame. It’s not possible to be sure whether Luna’s pickiness was exacerbated by the OP’s management or caused by a health problem. I’ve raised 10 puppies over 50 years without problems and, as the daughter of ANKC breeders, assisted with the raising of many others. Two years ago I had a puppy who came to me as the runt of the litter. Like Luna, she was hungry but reluctant to eat. Sometimes she’d eat a little of a food but she’d always refuse to eat it again. She seemed a bit frail to me but I wasn’t familiar with the breed and thought maybe I was imagining the frailty. Otherwise, she was energetic and looked healthy enough to pass two vet checks… until she wasn’t. After a rapid decline, she was rushed to a vet and then to SASH, where she was diagnosed with severe congenital kidney failure. It seems likely that the protein in food made her feel sick, which prompted her to refuse to eat that food again. My mother - a very experienced breeder - had a similar experience with a happier outcome. A very well bred border collie puppy she purchased wouldn’t eat and the vet could find nothing wrong. She coaxed it to eat by flicking teaspoons of food to stimulate the predatory chase-grab-swallow sequence. After several days, it passed blood and a sharp piece of bone. The puppy’s breeder blamed a friend who had assisted with raising the litter. To the OP, I’m so sorry to hear about your experiences. I hope Luna is healthy and happily living in a new home and I hope you are able to purchase or adopt a delightful puppy who will bring you many years of joy. I’m not sure what you can do to recoup your money. Even if you won a case in a small claims tribunal, you might not be able to force the breeder to pay up. You might end up paying more and enduring considerable stress with no good outcome.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8vdrzr9mq1o ”In an explosive report made public by lawmakers, the organisation's former chief veterinarian has described the industry as a hotbed of “exploitation and suffering”, claiming that dogs are being raced at “barbaric” rates, euthanised without cause, or left to rot in metal cages when they can no longer compete.”

Recently, I had an opportunity to observe “behind the lines” of a corporate vet clinic for a few hours. I was appalled by the inefficiency. The non-clinical to clinical ratio in the clinic was 3 to 2 (practice manager and two reception staff vs a nurse and a vet), which doesn’t even factor in the number of head-office staff. Standard appointment times were 30 minutes, which seems unnecessary long for vaccinations and minor lumps, bumps and scrapes. The practice manager was annoyed because an owner and her two dogs had been booked into one 30 minute slot, instead of separate slots for each dog. The reception staff chatted while calls went unanswered. When they did answer, they were booked out until the middle of the next week, so even their own clients were told to look elsewhere for urgent care (eg a large dog with suspected bloat). There were no appointment slots available for clients who had missed their last annual vaccination. The waiting room was empty most of the morning. I remember when that practice was vet-run and busy all the time, both with patients and with people coming in to buy pet care products. The corporate practice had a very small range of over the counter medications and almost no other pet care products. It seems like a catch-22, exacerbated by inefficiency. I can’t see how 30 minute appointments and a high non-clinical to clinical staff ratio can support reasonable vet salaries and I wonder why any vet would stay in an industry that’s highly stressful and doesn’t pay salaries comparable to those of other people who have studied for five or more years and accrued large HECS debts. It’s not a profitable business model for the corporations either. I was curious enough to look up an investment website that compared corporate vet business with other corporate investments such as accountants and lawyers. The returns on spending for veterinary businesses was much lower than those for other businesses.

I agree that the problems of Littermate Syndrome are exaggerated. I’ve even seen it used to castigate people who raise two unrelated puppies of different ages together. Back in the 1970s, my mother and I raised and trained littermate German Shepherd brothers and competed successfully with them in Obedience. (My mother’s dog became an Obedience Champion.) Episode 2 of Puppy Culture potluck is an interesting discussion of Littermate Syndrome.

I’m not sure why they single out Golden Retrievers, a breed which ranks 51st in the OFA hip dysplasia statistics. For what it’s worth, “hybrids” are ranked 68th, which is considerably higher (i.e. worse) than the median ranking across recognised breeds. https://ofa.org/diseases/disease-statistics/ I’m also not sure why they would quote a wildlife scientist as an expert on the subject.

I wonder how many are rehomed from farms - particularly small farms. In the farming and poultry forums I follow, I often see them recommended as an easy solution for people with predator problems. It’s concerning that people may get them on those recommendations, without thinking through the implications of taking responsibility for another animal - one that could live twelve to fifteen years and cost thousands of dollars per year in food, preventative medicines and vet care. Sometimes, other solutions such as better fencing or more secure housing may be a more effective and far less expensive solution to predator problems.