WreckitWhippet

My pups sleep in their own crates, they do so from 8 weeks. As they get older, they are sometimes allowed to sleep in our bed but it's usually just for one night and mostly when the OH or myself is away.

The Council NEVER becomes the owner of a stray dog. The dog remains the property of the present owner until it is sold or destroyed. If the dog is sold, then the act empowers the transfer from the present owner to the new owner. If the dog is to be killed, then the act empowers the destruction of the dog and the anullment of the present owner The Council only obeys the Act. The Council must follow the provisions of POCTAA which state that: the unnecessary AND/OR the unreasonable AND/OR the unjustifed ... killing... of an animal ... is an (aggrevated) cruelty to animals offence (Sections 4-6) With regard to dangerous / restricted breeds, ammendments had to be put into the POCTAA to allow the Council to kill these dogs. ------------------------------ If people want to know what they can do, then email me your contact number so we can chat: [email protected] My apologies, I should not have used the word "owner" when referring to the council. Under the CAA, if your dog or puppy is impounded you have 7 days in which to claim an unchipped animal and 14 days in which to claim a chipped animal. When that time is up, you effectively lose any rights as an owner in determining the fate of that animal, it may be destroyed or sold by council. Once a dog has been declared "restricted " council cannot sell a such an animal. However in this case, council suspected that puppy to be a restricted cross, which is why I suggested approaching Council and asking them to issue an NOI on that puppy. The suggestion of an NOI is a practical alternative to it's destruction. Ultimately it is up to Council , as to what they consider to be "practical ". I just hope to Dog, which ever rescue has this puppy, follows the conditions that go along with an NOI and see the process through to the end. They've been given an opportunity to save a puppy ( that would otherwise have been detroyed ) and to demonstrate that this is a workable alternative to the destruction of dogs that are considered to be of a resticted breed or cross. If it's successfull this time, Council may well consider allowing others to be released following the same process.

Karen Hedberg does ours. We travel to see her

Give him a plastic bowl or no bowl.

Leave him alone while he eats, pups and adults do not needs to be disturbed constantly while they are having a meal. If anything, all you are doing is heightening any anxieties that the puppy may be feeling when eating. At the moment the pups is probably not chewing slow enough, as it's trying to gulp down the wings, later this could lead to resource guarding. Yes, you need to be able to take food of an dog in an emergency and you don't want a dog lashing out as someone has gone close to it's dinner. Feed the pup somewhere quiet and away from the kids, somewhere where the pup feels secure and it not going to be disturbed. There's some really good reading on here on how to go about teaching puppies and dogs to give up what they are eating, in return for something better like a treat or a toy. You can still feed your pup necks.

We feed our Stafford babies, chicken wings, necks, roo tail and lamb flap, without incident. The necks are only fed when they are really little at about 4-6 weeks, from then on it's wings and other larger chunks of bone with meat. I find that hovering over them, just tends to increase the rate at which they eat and swallow. Feed him somewhere quiet and just sit and watch. Pups often gag and bring things up a few times as they eat. If the pup is really choking then gently pull the wing back out. You could try turkey wing pieces as there's no way the pup will swallow on of those. Also try larger pieces of lamb flap and roo tail. The pup will get used to chewing it's food and tearing meat from bone.

I was always curious about that part. If a dog makes it through the pound process and adopted out as an amstaff cross, then they cant come back later and change their minds? example 1. Puppy that looks to be a run of the mill bull breed cross is put up for adoption by pound, listed as Staffy cross. Pup adopted out and goes to nice home. Dog is later spotted by a ranger ( doesn't matter where in NSW ) and says " that's a restricted breed " and issues an NOI, they will have to prove it's not, regardless of what the pound listed the dog as , when put up for adoption Example 2. using the pup in this thread. Pup is thought to be a resticted breed. Pound gives rescue the option of taking NOI and going through the BA and TT. Pup passes BA and is said to be "Staffy cross " , pup can never again have breed questioned as the breed assessors decision is final, it's recorded against microchip. If the pup is assessed as a restricted breed cross, then they have the option of going to temp test, if they pass that, then again it's all recorded against chip and the pup is home free again. Personally, i think given the current BSL climate, rescue should be requesting NOI's and having all bull breed and crosses assesed prior to adoption, so that the person adopting never has to go through the process of council suspecting their puppy or mature dog is of a "restricted breed or cross ". I understand where you are coming from SBT123 however this is a costly process and given rescues are working on a shoe string as it is, you would find bull breeds would be looked over for rescue in favour of small dogs with no breed issues. And why target just rescues, this could also go for breeders. You may be interested to find that I know of a dog (a ridgeback actually) that was labelled a pitbull x in the pound until the breeder came forward and claimed the dog as one of her own that she had rehomed and it was indeed a pure ridgeback. One of the reasons we have these problems is because pound staff, whether right or wrong, are not properly trained to identify breeds so they make a 'best guess' out of fear that if they don't label a dog a restricted breed x and after release the dog attacks they will be held accountable. Let's just wipe out BSL and start making owners, regardless of breed of dog, accountable! ANKC registered breeders and their ANKC registered puppies are exempt from BSL in NSW. If you have ANKC papers and a matching microchip in NSW you have nothing to worry about, it is accepted proof that your puppy/dog is not of a restricted breed or cross. However if you adopt a bull breed cross from a rescue or from a pound, any ranger from any council in NSW ( be it your own council or another if you are visiting the area ) can suspect your dog to be of a resticted breed or cross. This is why I suggest that rescue go through the process, with any dog that could in the future come under scrutiny and save the new owner a whole lot of hassell and potential heartache. ANKC breeders , provide the owner with pedigree papers that are proof of breed, surely rescue for $55 can provide new owners with proof what they adopted is not.

I was always curious about that part. If a dog makes it through the pound process and adopted out as an amstaff cross, then they cant come back later and change their minds? example 1. Puppy that looks to be a run of the mill bull breed cross is put up for adoption by pound, listed as Staffy cross. Pup adopted out and goes to nice home. Dog is later spotted by a ranger ( doesn't matter where in NSW ) and says " that's a restricted breed " and issues an NOI, they will have to prove it's not, regardless of what the pound listed the dog as , when put up for adoption Example 2. using the pup in this thread. Pup is thought to be a resticted breed. Pound gives rescue the option of taking NOI and going through the BA and TT. Pup passes BA and is said to be "Staffy cross " , pup can never again have breed questioned as the breed assessors decision is final, it's recorded against microchip. If the pup is assessed as a restricted breed cross, then they have the option of going to temp test, if they pass that, then again it's all recorded against chip and the pup is home free again. Personally, i think given the current BSL climate, rescue should be requesting NOI's and having all bull breed and crosses assesed prior to adoption, so that the person adopting never has to go through the process of council suspecting their puppy or mature dog is of a "restricted breed or cross ".

I won't clog up the thread but yes, they can and do get on well

That's Ashanali's "Ronin", who was visiting us for a while. My Staffords are pretty much of the mind, that if it's big and it looks red and white, you can play with it

Hell yeah they go with Pointees It's an awesome combination as they Pointers play hard and fast without getting fired up and the Staffords just play. Mine adore the Pointers ETA: I had to go as I had to go and flog a Whippet. Feel free to email or PM me and I can let you know more about the Staffords and the Pointers interact together etc

yes hypothetically you could. However we went through all the official channels and thankfully found the pound manager to plead our case to. This morning we got the news that the Sydney rescue group helping with this fella's rescue was granted a release of the dog (assessed as pitbull x) and will be served with a NOI. So we are thankful for that outcome and the fact that Blacktown pound saw fit to give this little guy a fighting chance. Will let you know in 28 days time how his assessment goes and what they come up with for a breed assessment for this guy. No need to wait 28 days to update us, the NOI will be there next week and you can book the breed assessor of your choice as soon as you get it. The clock is ticking from the day of the NOI and you have 28 days from the date of issue to get the BA and TT done if required. Good news that a rescue is demonstrating that they are willing to go through the official channels for this one and that the pound has agreed to it. This also means that if the pup passes BA and TT, that he can be adopted out and the person adopting will never have to worry if the dog comes under scrutiny in the future. SBT123 - the assessor of our choice? I thought that Dogs NSW appointed an assessor after we had contacted them? If this is not the case, where do we get a list of assessors in our area from? And yes, we do it by the book. That way we may even be able to change the 'trend' for future dogs labelled pitbullx by pound staff. Off topic - it was wonderful to see a representative from Blacktown Pound at the No Kill conference. Pity other councils weren't so interested. Dogs NSW do not appoint the assessor for you ( although plenty of them are judges and dogs members ) . When you get you NOI, you can call the DLG and they will send you out a list of breed assessors to choose from. This applies to both assessors and temp testers. You can choose anyone you like from anywhere in the state ( at your expense as you pay for their travel or you travel to them ).

The Springer is a very loyal and family orientated breed. They enjoy being close to the family and they also make excellent house dogs. Is you pup allowed inside during the day and evenings when you are home ?

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Do not ignore the pup, obviously the current arrangements are not working and for whatever reason he's not happy and not sleeping. You really can't afford to ignore the behaviour and risk upsetting neighbours and noise complaints. Agree with Dan, move him into his crate in a place where he feels secure and will sleep through the night. You will probably still need to get up during the night for a toilet stop ( depends on the pup, my youngsters usually sleep through from about 8 weeks ). If he whinges, get up, don't speak to the pup and take it outside for a toilet stop. They pretty quickly learn that whinging = toilet and no play.

Sounds like KC to me as well. You can try childrens cough medicine and active manuka honey. Once your pup is on the mend, do a search here re vaccinations and also find yourself a new vet

yes hypothetically you could. However we went through all the official channels and thankfully found the pound manager to plead our case to. This morning we got the news that the Sydney rescue group helping with this fella's rescue was granted a release of the dog (assessed as pitbull x) and will be served with a NOI. So we are thankful for that outcome and the fact that Blacktown pound saw fit to give this little guy a fighting chance. Will let you know in 28 days time how his assessment goes and what they come up with for a breed assessment for this guy. No need to wait 28 days to update us, the NOI will be there next week and you can book the breed assessor of your choice as soon as you get it. The clock is ticking from the day of the NOI and you have 28 days from the date of issue to get the BA and TT done if required. Good news that a rescue is demonstrating that they are willing to go through the official channels for this one and that the pound has agreed to it. This also means that if the pup passes BA and TT, that he can be adopted out and the person adopting will never have to worry if the dog comes under scrutiny in the future.

If you were willing to possibly make a fool of yourself and break the law claiming something that doesn't belong to you.

In the case of a dog that is impounded, council becomes the legal owner after the time is up or in the case of a surrender, as soon as the surrender takes place. If you owned that puppy and came to collect it, council could issue you with an NOI at the time of release. In situations where the animal remains unclaimed by it's owner and council takes possession of the dog, they do have the right if they suspect it to be of a restricted breed, not to place that animal up for adoption. There is no age limitations on suspected animals, they can be baby puppies or older dogs and bitches. Sandra council in NSW do not determine the "breed" of the dog where an owner is known ( they can only issue NOI's for those suspected of being a restricted breed or cross ), there are authorised breed assessors who perform that task. They are independent of council, council cannot be involved in the "breed assessment " or " temp testing" as it's a conflict of interest. Unless you have ANKC papers or DNA to prove that your dog is not of a resticted breed or cross, then you can either abide by the legislation pertaining to restricted breeds or use the breed assessor. So basically if a dog or puppy ends up in the pound, council gets to decide the animals fate if it goes unclaimed.

surely between 5am and 6.30 am is acceptable

It is not "declared dangerous" , the pound have suspected that the puppy may be of a "restricted breed" , therefore they have opted not to make the puppy available for adoption.

I wouldn't put any salt on the area as it dries the skin out and can irritate further. You really need patience and to just ride out demodex and the time it takes for the coat to regrow

Have you called in their personally and spoken to the pound and whoever made the decision ? Have you let them know that you are prepared to accept that they think the dog is of a restricted breed cross and that you are prepared to work within the law ( breed assessment and temp test if requried ), if they are willing to give the puppy chance ?

I match your one dirty dog and raise you three dirty Staffords

You can ask them if they would consider issuing an NOI for the puppy and then you can have it breed assessed ( but you must consider thats the breed assessment cannot be challenged ). Pounds in NSW are well within their rights not to offer any puppy or animal that they suspect of being a restricted breed or cross for adoption but you can always appeal to the pound staffs better nature.