WreckitWhippet

Yeahhh for a lack on sanity

It's a bitch

;) Er, No. Lilli haven't you learnt anything by now, if it's brindle and around knee height it's a "staffy" anything bigger than that, in brindle or fawn/cream is a Mastiff ;)

Kelpie / Bull Terrier mix and my guess is that neither of those parents were pure either

For those that suggest a licence to own a dog, we can't even get the basics enforced in NSW when it comes to chipping and registration. A licence would be yet another piece of red tape, that the responsible pay for and the rest continue on their merry way.

It's base is rice and rice bran, I wouldn't feed it to any dog let alone one in whelp.

Then YOU would be a candidate to own what ever dog you want if policies were brought in to ensure proper ownership of dogs. Rescue groups work hard to carefully match up dogs with owners.. but any Jo Blow can go and buy Shar Pei because they look cute and cuddly as pups. I dare say that dog attacks wouldn't be the only problem something like this would reduce.. there would probably be a lot less homeless dogs also. Some do, many don't and you should be careful not to make generalisations. It's the same for breeders, the ethical breeder care, others are just in it for the money or don't know any better.

Maybe not , but I've read some pretty idiotic things in my time on here, when it comes to dog ownership. Some have been down right stupid, dangerous and I think quite a few people here are damn lucky they have not made the news. It's been down to the power of good luck, more so than good management. I consider myself to be an educated and responsible dog owner, I carefully manage my pack and my mind is open when it comes to learning more. Even so, we've had some near misses in this house. One involved my child and dog who was subsequently PTS, we were lucky that my daughter didn't become another bite stat. I watch the dogs and kids like a hawk, I can read a dog and to this day I still don't know what happened. Out of curiosity SBT123, were you watching what happened just prior to the attack or was it out of the blue? The reason I ask is because and I have mentioned this before on DOL, when I was a small child my parents Irish Setter bit my face. I rode on his back he followed me everywhere. The family were laying in the loungeroom watching tv, I was laying on the floor with the dog. He suddenly turned and bit my eyebrow (drew blood bigtime) as far as mum and dad were concerned, but I had been secretly blowing in his ear. He must of given me at least three warnings before he actually bit. My parents were talking about pts until I told them what actually happened. It was out of the blue, from a dog who had not displayed any of the typical warning signs. My daughter has a huge amount of respect for the dogs, she doesn't ride them, lay on them as pillows, harrass them, poke, prod or tease. The dog was laying on the floor less than three feet away from me, while I was washing up. I've been over and over what could have triggered it. There was no food around, the dogs are not fed in the kitchen or allowed to beg etc. My daughter walked past the dog ( didn't step on him or his tail ) and he lashed out at her. The saving grace was that as he lashed out, he spun to get up and he knocked her over. That left me in a state of disbelief, firstly that the dog could have done such a thing and secondly that I missed the warning signs. For the record, the dog was not a bull breed or cross.

Maybe not , but I've read some pretty idiotic things in my time on here, when it comes to dog ownership. Some have been down right stupid, dangerous and I think quite a few people here are damn lucky they have not made the news. It's been down to the power of good luck, more so than good management. I consider myself to be an educated and responsible dog owner, I carefully manage my pack and my mind is open when it comes to learning more. Even so, we've had some near misses in this house. One involved my child and dog who was subsequently PTS, we were lucky that my daughter didn't become another bite stat. I watch the dogs and kids like a hawk, I can read a dog and to this day I still don't know what happened.

That's all well and good, unless a Ranger spots her and decides that she is a APBT or a cross. Then the person that takes her on, has to go through the whole process of proving that she's not, at their expense

Controls for everyone ? or just controls for those who want/own certain breeds ?

Yes. Rather than "bomb proof" , I prefer to think of it along the lines of who is breeding dogs that are true to type and temperament. We all agree to some degree that genetics plays a part when it comes to the dogs and that the package is complete, when raised correctly and new owners are carefully selected.

LOL, the UKC recognises them, but then again if it's got four legs, they'll register it

Bite inhibition and bite threshold also have a genetic component. As you suggest, breed purpose does have its role in these issues. So many folk buy a dog on looks with no genuine understanding of its original purpose or likely characteristics. While pets can be bought on impulse from folk motivated only by profit, that ignorance will continue. I think that's a valid point. I would like to know what % of dogs involved in attacks in Australia were giveaways or cheap purchases. Quickasyoucan , has raised the point many times in the past and I would like to know is there any correlation between lower socio-economic areas ( poorer owners in terms of $ and education ) and attacks. We already know that the pedigree dog from the ethical breeder, is less likely to end up in a pound, the next question. Is the pedigree dog from the ethical registered breeder, less likely to be involved in an attack ?

The stats on what breeds are involved are so notoriously unreliable that most researchers discount them. Despite what you think, most people don't know what breeds look like and anything over 10kg that's brindle or red and that's not fluffly is a "pitbull". You need to move on from the breed issue Puggerup. It cannot explain how such severe attacks happen. You need only look at the generic brindle dog that is labelled " Staffy" by pounds , rescues and every second person that has one.

You cannot have a "valid" breed assessment done by an approved breed assessor, unless the dog is already subject to an NOI.

I can't be bothered LOL

Dogs are canines, they are not feline, bovine, human or anything else and people draw the long bow when they attempt to make comparisions and analogies. If you want to talk about temperament, then speak specifics.

We heard owners state the breed in past incidents and people still want to argue that it's a media beat up and it couldn't possibly be

WTF, they tried to find a new home for a dog that had already bitten.

And if it is an Pit Bull cross, what then ?

So sorry for your loss Mel. It seems like only yesterday that Kane was a sprightly young fellow. Take care and remember the good times.

So one could argue that BSL does indeed have it's place and restrictions should apply for certain "breeds" ? Breed or cross aside, I would still like to know how many of the boxes that particular dog ticked.

They are only waking up to this now

The are plenty of dogs of various breeds that have the genetic instincts to maim and kill, the studies are wrong, nonesense infact. The difference is in the raising and training dogs of this nature that makes them safe. Did I just read that right ? There are breeds out there that are geneticallyt predisposed to maim and kill , is that right ? The studies that Poodlefan mentions are not nonsense, they highlight some very important factors that are often present, when it comes to how many dogs that are involved in attacks are raised and treated. Statistically, they are also more likely to be male, young and entire.