WreckitWhippet

There is no safe side and why should the ANKC breeders/owner/exhibitors apologise or feel bad for looking after their own. The pit bull is already subject to BSL in all but a couple of the states/territories in this country, so far the ANKC breeds are not. Why waste the energy and the resources on the pit bulls, the focus should be on preventing ANKC breeds from being added to any of the lists. When that is done and the future of the recognised breeds is safe, then maybe we can look at those breeds that are currently restricted. The CCCQ believe in putting as much distance between themselves and the Pit Bulls as possible, as did Dogs NSW when they negotiated and secured the future of the ANKC bull breeds in NSW.

It's beyond me what religion has to do with someone's dead dogs. Dogs in crates until out of the airport confines would have prevented such an incident from occuring.

My advice to puppy buyers is this: If the puppy is of good quality and sold on limited register, go elsewhere as the conditions IMO are "over the top" as essentially, you are purchasing in reality nothing more than what used to be formally recognised as an unpapered dog Don't be fooled by the reasons why "your" puppy on limited register is best for you, it isn't best for you at all. Your integrity is being challenged what you may do with the dog and the breeder doesn't trust your intentions for one. Secondly, the choice to show or breed is your choice to make.........it's your dog, your life. You have done the right thing avoiding pet shops and BYB's to purchase a health tested pure breed dog. If you get the run around with restrictions and closed shop tactics to result in an unpapered dog, why not have a look at some rescue dogs instead which have the same restrictions as the limited register pure breed and are also in great need for a home if the puppy is of good quality and is placed on the limit register, then no buyer is being ripped off, providing they understand that they cannot exhibit or breed from the animal.... full stop end of story.

I cannot belive you doubt the fact that it is a pure bred dog, and standards are just something to aim for when people are breeding, judges all judge differently and their opinions vary greatly... do you forget that the Amstaff standard was based on a Colby dog, one of the oldest bloodlines in pitbull history is the standard for the Amstaff..!!! are you going to say that only an amstaff is pure because the ANKC says so, and forget the UKC, AKC, ADBA, APBR etc.. sure there are dubious breeders out there and it's these people that have been the downfall of the breed not the dog. it has never been the dogs fault, but human mistreatment. Shame on you for blaming a dog for all of our dog woes. An apology, how rude, if it wasn't for all the elitest snobs in 'dogdom' we could've fought this a long time ago, but no they all wantedto wash their hands of the 'pitbull'. Maybe you should re read my comments. You have gone off half cocked accusing me of things I haven't said. What I have said is what I believe. What I have said is fact. If being a ANKC registered breeder/owner/exhibitor that resents my breed being place at risk because of the anti social behavior of a group of yobbos who besmirched the entire canine community with their anti social dogs makes me an elitist snob. So be it. Stay off the tracks, there's a train coming. It's the pit bull special & it doesn't care who it runs over. There's plenty of other ANKC breeders/owners/exhibitors who feel the same way as you do. My opinion is that we should be looking after and securing the future of our ANKC recognised breeds. As someone else said today, we should " concentrate on their breed's strengths, and not join the losing Team Pitbull"

take her swimming

I have some and will need more, where does everyone order theirs from and what's been the best price you can find so far ? I paid $25.50 for 250grams I can find 500 for 35 plus postage

My young child is currently playing with two of our SBT's . They are great with children, infact they are renowned for how they interact with kids of all ages. They should be a gentleman unless set upon and one that is well bred and raised correctly and socialised ( which does not include leash free , free for alls) are more than capable of living together with another dog and they are certainly capable of being civilised upon meeting other dogs. My dogs and bitches are the kings and queens of not giving a shit , when it comes to other dogs.

Was about to ask the exact same question & if not get the # put on asap Yep because the chip has to correspond with the ANKC papers and the chip in the dog to be of any value. If they are trying to pull something dodgy, the chip will bring it all undone.

Dogs are loaded and unloaded onto plane's in crates, so they are not at risk and do not place others at risk, but I guess you can ignore sensible protocol, when you are the pilot and fly in a private jet.

According to the CCCQ they are not the same and to make sure the Amstaff remains free from BSL, there needs to be as much distance placed between them and the pit bull as possible.

Just a quick question, was the chip number recorded on the pedigree papers ?

Ummm hello, dogs on the tarmac out of crates.

Head and chest high tackles, don't know about "odd" but they can certainly manage it.

Well said Puggy and totally agree. I think because so many of us on here are dog fanciers and have this knowledge we forget that the general public do not. The general public I guarantee if they had a choice to go down to the pet shop and buy a pure bred pup (without papers or a cross breed) pay for it on the spot and have that puppy home the same day etc they would chose that over reading about breeders, deciding which breeder is the best, visiting that breeder, visiting the pups and viewing the parents etc which could be miles away from their home. It's the truth like it or not convenience over rides breeders. SBT your dogs may be excellent top quality but what does Joe Blow care about that? He already knows he wants a staffy. He hasn't done too much research into the dog knows the basics. He knows what he's willing to pay. He doesn't know the benefits of buying a purebred dog so why would he care breeder or pet shop? To him if the sign on the window says purebred it's purebred. It's highly unlikely (unfortunately) that Joe Blow is going to buy a pup from you. You'd be surprised at the number of average Joe's who do actually care what their next dog will look like, act like and the parents from which it came. You might also be surprised that average Joe can recognise a quality dog when he sees it. Most of our pups over the years have gone to average Joe, who is looking for a pet and as I've said previously, they come wanting a pedigree with papers and the guarantees that come with it.

Absolutely. Nothing advertises the virtues of a breed and promotes them better, than the real thing, owned by someone who is passionate about the breed and raises their dog as a good canine citizen.

Ditto. Well, I have just googled Lab x poodles and they don't quite look like Chelsea. Seems that the lab x poodles have a slightly more profuse coat. I can't imagine a lab x poodle turning out black and white either but then I am no geneticist. Being a groomer I see all the DD's in all sorts of shapes and sizes. Some I would have sworn were Deerhound or Wolfhound crosses and they were most certainly Lab cross Poodles. The owners were a little surprised that they grew up to look like large hairy hounds.

If you want to feed a dry, look at the higher quality foods such as Royal Canin, Eagle Pack or Artemis. The cheap stuff really is cheap and nasty and you get what you pay for. If you want a better quality food than the SC from the supermarket, then look at Optimum.

I've seen plenty of Lab cross Poodles look like that.

If it's AKC registered it an AST, but you can then register the AST with some of those dodgy registries as an APBT. You can't take you ADBA , GDBA or any of the other shoddy registry Pit Bulls and register those with the AKC

I've made coats for Chi's and other Toy breeds.

Well bred Stafford puppies, from ethical registered breeders are in demand, there are not enough to go around. We should be encouraging any potential breeder who is willing to put in the hard yards, show, learn and do things like the MDBA courses, not tell them to look at Staffy Rescue and think twice.

Im sure the pounds and rescue would see the point in knocking them off, or reducing them at least. What breeds need more breeders? take a few under your wing and educate them in breeding? I would be gobsmacked if all registered breeders had this attitude. My rescue group, for one, would love to see the BYB, PF, pet shops and unethical breeders knocked off. Basically you are saying that it's not up to you to try and knock these people off. Who is it up to then? Should it be left to rescue groups to fight this battle? Well if ethical registered breeders are not going to stick up for themselves and promote pedigree dogs and educate the public on why they should buy a pedigree dog and not a BYB, PF or pet shop dog then why should rescue groups continuously try to educate the public about ethical registered breeders? Next time someone rings up and asks me about puppies, we recieve at least 4 calls a week and the same amount of emails, I wont bother telling them about the differences between an ethical registered breeder and a PF/BYB/Pet Shop or who to contact about sourcing a puppy that comes from an ethical registered breeder. The breeders do stick up for themselves and they do promote their breeds and the enjoyment that goes along with owning a well bred, pedigree animal. true, but many promote their dog amongst themselves. Whats the point in that? What does promote amongst ourselves mean ?

Put your puppy up on a table as often as you can, pat it, feed it treats, check it's teeth, eyes, ears and have a general poke around and then praise like crazy. My thoughts on going to the vets is arrive as close to the appointment time as possible, keep your pup in it's vari kennel or crate and don;t make a big fuss out of going.

Im sure the pounds and rescue would see the point in knocking them off, or reducing them at least. What breeds need more breeders? take a few under your wing and educate them in breeding? I would be gobsmacked if all registered breeders had this attitude. My rescue group, for one, would love to see the BYB, PF, pet shops and unethical breeders knocked off. Basically you are saying that it's not up to you to try and knock these people off. Who is it up to then? Should it be left to rescue groups to fight this battle? Well if ethical registered breeders are not going to stick up for themselves and promote pedigree dogs and educate the public on why they should buy a pedigree dog and not a BYB, PF or pet shop dog then why should rescue groups continuously try to educate the public about ethical registered breeders? Next time someone rings up and asks me about puppies, we recieve at least 4 calls a week and the same amount of emails, I wont bother telling them about the differences between an ethical registered breeder and a PF/BYB/Pet Shop or who to contact about sourcing a puppy that comes from an ethical registered breeder. The breeders do stick up for themselves and they do promote their breeds and the enjoyment that goes along with owning a well bred, pedigree animal.

Im sure the pounds and rescue would see the point in knocking them off, or reducing them at least. What breeds need more breeders? take a few under your wing and educate them in breeding? Try finding yourself a well bred Stafford puppy from and ethical breeder, there might be plenty of pups advertised but there really is a limited amount of quality pups available.