WreckitWhippet

I'd go to a chiro first

I have never heard of such a 'training' method. It's not one I'd recommend. A young pup, socially isolated, barks for attention so you gag it. A barking collar would be less aversive - at least that only works when the pup barks. Seriously, crate train these pup.s Get up, let them into the house, give a bone or a kong and go back to bed. If it carries on, ignore it. At least the neighbours won't have to listen to it. Or better still, sleep the dog inside in its crate. Gundogs and working dogs were bred to focus on people - isolate a people focussed pup outside and the consequences are hardly surprising. I fail to see why a pup should pay for simply wanting to be with its family. ohh but that's too simple.. There's plenty that just don't get it, even when you point it out to them

Why is it ok for one but not another? It's not so until things change it will always come up. There's nothing worse than running the gauntlet of the "toy ring".

Yep you can do nothing and most pups will grow out of it. They are prone to outbreaks when their bodies are under stress, this usually happens around teething time and often as 7 or 8 month old teenagers. 1. do nothing and see what happens 2. switch to an all raw diet, cut preservatives, colourings, wheat etc out of the diet and use board certified aloe juice to boost the immune system 3. use a product such as advocate for three months 4. use demodex wash ( it's pretty nasty stuff ) 5. injections as a last resort All dogs have the mites and whilst using chemicals will get rid of them, they ( the chemcials ) do not treat the cause. ETA: was it a localised outbreak around the eyes and head or all over the body ? My personal thoughts are many vets are too quick to inject dogs, for relatively minor localised demodex

Not necessarily.

I'd only be worried in a pedigree show dog and bull breeds that are renowned for retaining them and it impacting on the adult bite. I usually find that roo tails and lamb shanks are pretty good at getting them to move, as are games of tug. The adult canine has only just errupted and it should move the baby in the next couple of weeks anyway. I also wiggle the babies and that helps to shift them.

Isn't that the job of the ranger ?

This topic makes me so angry that I can barely type nice words...

Why is that ? There are rules and regs to cover the behaviour of exhibitors and exhibts at shows and consequences for dogs that behave in an aggressive manner. If your dog is attacked and injured at a show by average Joe's visiting pet, then there's not much you can do about it. But the rules could apply to everyone? If your dog misbehaves you have to leave? Unfortunately, dog attacks can happen anywhere. Some of the worst dog behaviour I have ever seen has been at breed club events - think snarling dogs going at each other and owners standing there chatting about the weather! I personally would like a code of conduct that is policed, rather than all non-show dogs being banned. As I said, I have taken my two along before and I make sure they don't bother anyone. The reason I like taking them to shows is that my ex-puppy farm breeding bitch isn't fond of people who pay her attention. At a dog show, everyone is primping and preening their own dog and ignores her - so she happily trots along. However, judging by most posts in this thread, there is now one less place I can take her to - I'm sadly running out of options. People that are not ANKC members are not bound by any code of conduct, rules or regs. If an aggressive dog incident occurs at and ANKC sanctioned event, then there is a process to be followed and it may see dogs excluded from futher comptetion and suspended. Members of the general public and there dogs are not subject to these rules and being asked "to leave", is of little consequence to them. A dog show is not the place for average Joe to bring along their dog for a "social" day out, be it for pats, to play with other dogs or largely to ignore them. The grounds are generally crowded and it's tough enough as an exhibitor to watch out for other exhibitors and their dogs, who know what's going on. As for "breed club " events. Get a couple of hundred Staffords in one place and put 30 mature males in one class and you're bound to see snarling, growling and a whole lot of showing off and posturing. I've yet to see an incident at a specialty event and that's because the owners/handlers have control of their dogs. Given the number of dogs that are together on the grounds at any one time, I think the owners and handlers on the whole do a wonderful job at looking after their own and each others and there really are minimal aggressive dog incidents.

Why is that ? There are rules and regs to cover the behaviour of exhibitors and exhibts at shows and consequences for dogs that behave in an aggressive manner. If your dog is attacked and injured at a show by average Joe's visiting pet, then there's not much you can do about it.

I'm in two minds, partly because whenever we've shown, it usually involves a weekend away and we therefore take all of our dogs and we also meet up with people that have our retired dogs and bitches. I don't think average Joe Public should be bringing there dogs to shows, as I've seen too many out of control dogs and idiotic behaviour from owners. BUT, I've also seen a lot of people wandering around with their well behaved dogs, that stay out of the way of others and don't cause any problems. I went to Cowra show a couple of weeks ago and a member of the public comes waltzing down the road near the camping, with their mongrel bred "staffy" on a long lead, allowing it to run up to dogs in crates and those walking past. I had one of mine crated outside of our camping tent and she was quite happily going to let hers go and stick it's nose in. I was fortunate enough to catch her before she got close and when I said it's not a good idea, because she doesn't know how they are going to react, all I got was a blank stare and a stupid giggle. ETA: I've also had a few run ins with the dogs owned by the side show folk at the country shows. This includes on of my dogs ( on leash ) who was bitten from behind by a carnie dog, that raced out from under a caravan, that we were not even close to.

Where and your other pups and what heat source do they have ?

Tell them what you want done, that's the easy bit. I have Cav's come in that scream and whinge the place down for their entire grooming session. One even screams ( for no reason ) on the table, in the bath and under the dryer. He's not frightened of being groomed or being man handled, he just gets excited and screams. Some dogs are excellent and others whinge constantly, regardless of how they behave at home.

We stayed at a van park last year on the highway. They were strict about no dogs in cabins but were kind enough to let dog people stay there. It was the Currajong Van Park 68623400

You havent worked that one out yet?? Given that it is a cross bred litter from a BYB they obviously couldnt wait to find homes for the puppies. Why spend more money looking after them and weaning them properly when you can flog them off to unsuspecting owners Sad isnt it But it's not just BYBer's that do it. There seems to be a rush for many registered breeders to do it as well. It's like their badge of honour and it's a race to see who can get the pups off their bitches first.

could you maybe put your pics in offtopic. Lovely as they are, there is an "arts and crafts" subforum, especially for this

I feel sorry for pups that young being weaned ( that should read , taken off their mothers and rehomed ). I can't for the life of me think why people are in such a hurry to do it. Leave the bitch to make the decision, offer the pups solids around 3-4 weeks of age and they'll take care of it on their own. Come eight weeks, the bitch has usually had enough, the pups have learnt to eat and drink on their own and are ready to leave home.

Do you get those coats as a result of choc/choc matings ?

I use Dogtainer in Canberra and I call them direct. I've always been happy with their pricing

As Fifi says it could be something simple or syptomatic of something that has the potential to be a lot more nasty Trying not to be all doom and gloom but I recently lost a bitch ( another breed ), it turned out to be a rare form of diabetes that lead to kidney failure. Bloods and urine done early will certainly help to eliminate what Fifi suggests and ease your mind.

DING DING DING we have a winner *click* treat thanks for the laugh

I was thinking along similar lines to Fifi. There's no harm in giving Vytrate. I'm not a fan of Recharge. My dogs travel with Vytrate for weekends away and I've checked with my vet and there's no harm and you cannot over dose on it. The only time there would be cause for concern , is if the dog drank a bottle straight. Bloods would help and also urine analysis. I would do some when she appears normal and then immediately if she has another episode.

Cramps ? Very painfull but a simple explaination.

what wolves has to do with someone wanting to purchase litter mates is beyond me.

Revolution doesn't just treat fleas. It's an awful young age to be starting with the chemicals.