Charjas

Haven't been on forum for a while but I used to post my woes about Jasper, silver toy poodle, constantly licking feet and removing all hair due to ???? Who would know. Tried many different foods. Creams .. Don't use chemicals in the house. Yard fairly small and grass. Fenced off garden so he couldn't run through. Walked him on path not grass. Then after so much frustration , changed his diet , no kibble. Full of additives. He eats fresh chicken and some veg. But. For past 12 months he's had 1/2 prednisone every 3 rd day. Not touched his feet until this December I put frontline plus on. 2 days later vomitting and licked hair off back foot. Now I know what it was. Every month I'd been topping him up with it. Not any more. His foot has healed and his cone is off. So the tablets were the only thing that helped. He'd been wearing a cone for 3 years.

CORRECT. Charlie vomits so I revert to bland diet. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

My aim is not to chop and change. Clearly the RC food despite being low fat was still upsetting Charlie's stomach and jasper scratching like a maniac. There has been no jelly poo for 5 weeks. So that end settling. I've decided I'm not giving biscuits at all. Will continue on the vets all natural. Cannot afford a blender atm to do the Augustine app recipe. Will be sticking to natural food. Will now look into heart worm options. I might also add that the owner of Augustine approved suggested sending hair samples to a place in coburg. Was certainly a lot cheaper than where the first vet was going to send. By the way. Jasper did have a skin scraping and they didn't even discuss the result. New vet is much more sensible. Charlie is so much better. He's running up and down stairs and playing like he's a puppy. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

No I haven't as its cost me so much so far. I know when charlie had been sick and they were getting chicken and rice for so long that Jaspers scratching eased off. After the RC HYPO. He was non stop. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I'm trialling 'the vets all natural ' with raw chicken. Have also been in touch with AUGUSTINE APPROVED. so far so good they are both eating every bit. Charlie has not been sick. Jasper still scratching but early days. I nearly got to the 3 month mark with Jaspers licking his feet but he licked his toes so soaked in calendula tea and wearing collar. Has anyone tried FAITH. sold by Augustine approved. Promotes wellbeing and after a long discussion with the guy he questioned the interceptor which as made charlie suck every single dose, every month. Do you really have to worm?? Are they at risk of heart worm?? They don't have contact with other dogs. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Yes this one is RC gastrointestinal. The other choice is hills id. Will see how it goes. It is much lower fat content than the other. I used to feed raw chicken necks, BARF , and some kibble. But switched to cooked because of Charlie. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I had been doing that and then introduced sweet potato. It's pretty much always the same except the holistic select fish kibble( that we had up to recently) suited jasper but Charlie was sick on and off. That's why I changed and ended up with that silly cat hair ball control food which by the way also made Charlie vomit if he ate just that so I mixed with other basic food mix. I did look into the Augustine approved and the vets all natural. Not changing too much though yet. See how this low fat one goes. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

The way I read is that they were only fed RC except for the weekend when they vomited. OK on rice/chicken mix. I'm reading that they were also not vomiting on the rice/chicken, Perse, since Charjas said they were OK on it. If they didn't vomit while on the RC dry food and they were OK on the chicken and rice. What did they eat in the period between the dry food and the chicken and rice that made them vomit? Charjas, with respect, do you mind me asking you to make your posts a little clearer. We can't try to help if we're not quite sure what's happening. edited to say: On reflection I suspect Charjas is saying they were doing alright on the RC dry until the weekend when they vomited. She then switched to the rice/chicken mix. If this is the case and the RC is the cause of the vomiting I would not be 'waiting for a month' whether the vet said so or not. I would be changing the dry food right away. Bought today the RC. GASTROINTESTINAL. only other thing I've noticed is jasper seems to scratch more on this brand Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

The way I read is that they were only fed RC except for the weekend when they vomited. OK on rice/chicken mix. I'm reading that they were also not vomiting on the rice/chicken, Perse, since Charjas said they were OK on it. If they didn't vomit while on the RC dry food and they were OK on the chicken and rice. What did they eat in the period between the dry food and the chicken and rice that made them vomit? Charjas, with respect, do you mind me asking you to make your posts a little clearer. We can't try to help if we're not quite sure what's happening. edited to say: On reflection I suspect Charjas is saying they were doing alright on the RC dry until the weekend when they vomited. She then switched to the rice/chicken mix. If this is the case and the RC is the cause of the vomiting I would not be 'waiting for a month' whether the vet said so or not. I would be changing the dry food right away. The vet was attempting to trial the hypoallergenic one for at least a month because every 4 weeks Charlie would have bloody, jelly poo. Despite ultrasound being clear, the blood test was redone and still high. She thinks chronic pancreatitis so RC was bound to be changed. Even though he vomited a few times yesterday he was normal , running up stairs , chasing jasper this morning so it appears mild attack. Poos still normal. Ate the new kibble tonight. I fed nothing but RC , NO TREATS, until the vomits. So nothing else there to cause it All good tonight still. Dinner was at 4. It's now 10. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Again I suggest a low fat dry food such as Canidae Platinum for the dog with Pancreatitis. I'm confused. What biscuits are you referring to? You said you only fed the RC hypoallergenic except for the weekend when they vomited. OK so what did they eat on that weekend that resulted in them vomiting? Are you referring to the dry food as biscuits? If so it seems they only vomited when you didn't feed the RC hypoallergenic on that weekend. No. They've had RC HYPOALLERGENIC for 3 weeks but as Charlie vomited once Thursday, Friday and jasper Saturday I gave chicken and rice for the weekend and went flack gradually to RC. However Charlie vomited 3 times yesterday so I'm now on RC gastrointestinal , started tonight. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I did change vets and my previous post listed results Charlie high pancreas enzymes , liver ok. Jasper NO thyroid issue. Hence I've only fed RC hypoallergenic except for the weekend when they vomited. I actually think it's the biscuits. Ok on rice / chicken mix. She's talking about switching to a lower fat food. Waiting t see if Charlie goes a month. Their water is in my laundry. I have no ponds. Pool which is fenced. Small grass area. Nothing different in yard for years. Have fenced off area that possum poo was found and have spikes along fence so they can change route. Haven't done worm tab since last month. Due soon. Have NOT done frontline and do not flea bomb my house as we don't have fleas do not shampoo carpet. The other thing I've made a note of is jasper is scratching more these last few weeks and that would coincide with the new food?? I didn't have a problem with the holistic select per se but as now Charlie needs low fat food it wouldn't be suitable. Jasper was ok on it. I've had so many different views, feed raw , feed cooked meat, vets all natural White rice brown rice sweet potato , etc etc. it just gets more confusing. When we had some chicken neck some kibble jasper was ok but not always Charlie. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Because I spoke to the vet Thursday and she wanted to continue on this food a bit longer. She wasn't concerned about a little vomit. He also seemed ok otherwise. That was Thursday arvo. Last night he had a vomit which was soft biscuits. He wasn't really interested in his biscuits this morning , I offered rice instead but walked away. At the moment he's chasing jasper round the house. Strangely also last night jasper only ate few biscuits and this morning he had a vomit. Yellow. Not food. He's been eating grass.the only thing they've had for 3 weeks is the biscuits but fathers day I had to buy more. Could it be new batch. I've always suspected Charlie does better on bland chicken/rice and few biscuits. As soon as I give biscuits only they throw up. To my knowledge jasper has no internal problems. Coincidence that both don't want these. RC HYPOALLERGENIC. I'm going to buy some chicken for the weekend. I know when the other vet sent me home with that hair ball cat kibble that Charlie couldn't eat it unless mixed with chick/rice/ sweet potato. My gut tells me less kibble. But low fat variety for both. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD THIS IS THE NEW VET.

Thought I'd give an update to my boys. Both had blood tests. Jasper nothing wrong , no thyroid problem. Charlie liver fine still. But. His amylase and lipase in pancreas were off the scale. He had an ultrasound which didn't show anything bad. They both switched to RC hypoallergenic food but because of the reading will probably be switching again to low fat kibble. She can't understand how he's not very very sick. After the last episodes he's really good. Always running round and playing. I can't understand these levels as he's never had much fatty food. Because I always thought he was sensitive the diet has been pretty much similar. Fish kibble, chicken rice. So we're waiting for the next episode to decide next plan. He's just turned 6. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

This sounds exactly like my Charlie. I'll be following this too. I'm not sure if he had creatine test but amylase and lipase were 10 x rec level yet he's settled on RC hypoallergenic and he's not sick now.

I was reading a site that listed all the pancreas enzymes and the levels and at the bottom it had a bit about reasons for elevated levels and first sentence was flagyl. My new vet said its wonderful for settling inside but long term use could be a problem. She couldn't equate the high readings though with his bouncy behaviour at the moment. She thought he'd be very sick. So. This result might be wrong. I asked about flagyl for a bit longer. http://www.2ndchance.info/normaldogandcatbloodvalues.htm

I have bred poodles for about 18 years & have never had any with digestive issues. My adults & pups always eat anything & everything & are not fussy & don't get stomach problems. They are sensitive dogs though but not what I would call anxious generally. Agree with some others that you need to knock off any chemicals & forget feeding raw meat, cook any meat, fish or chicken properly. Raw can cause worms as well as fleas causing them. You can wash your dogs weekly in Martha Gardners Wool Wash diluted, half a capful in a litre of water used as a shampoo. It is kinder than flea washes & does the trick although you need to check over & use a nit comb if its a heavy infestation. Rinse off very well. Use a wormer that just kills worms & doesn't do a million other things. Stick to one food for now, maybe a complete food thats grain free. Not sure on dogs variety but my cats thrive on the VIP grain free. They do it for dogs too. Get some slippery elm tablets from the chemist & open the capsule & sprinkle it on their food daily along with some Protexin which is a dairy free probiotic which you can buy at fodder stores. I would be keeping it simple & natural & change vets. Good luck. I have slippery elm. My husband takes it for reflux. Also probiotic powder. Just getting them used to the new food first.

I think the OP said they were at the vet every 4 weeks. I believe the dog had its cecum removed - according to a previous thread. I think someone mis read my comment. I always give required medication but when Charlie finished the 2nd course of liver tablets we didn't do another blood test due to the vet thinking along lines of IBS. Or IBD. I have changed vets and as stated yesterday. The liver enzyme is low but the pancreas ones are high. Yet she would not expect him to be running round and playing like he is. The flagy is a miracle drug HOWEVER. I read that it can elevate these enzymes. He prob didn't need cecum out !!!!! He's having ultrasound on Monday but I'm going to request repeat blood test as it could be wrong. She also says the red jelly poo is large intestine so something irritates the lining there. He has always been sensitive to fatty foods so I rarely digress from their diet of rice, chicken or those holistic select biscuits. But now they've been on royal canin hypoallergenic biscuits since Monday. Nothing but those. Both good at the moment.

That test was clear.

Ok all here's what has been done. New vet Monday and she has done faecal tests, blood etc. keep in mind his absolute worst attack was Christmas and I truly though he was much improved after having his caecum ( hope that's the spelling) out. Prob didn't need it if it's in his large intestine but he has played and run around like a puppy since except for the 2-3 days each month that he's off again. But not sick like he's was at Christmas. We were in tasmania and the minder nursed him 2 full days. Last sept his liver enzyme was high but it's now 103. However. Amylase 10000, lipase 5500. Apparently these are off the scale and she couldn't understand how he could be running around playing. But I read that Flagyl can give elevated reading and he's been on this several times with these flair ups. So next is an ultrasound. My gut says that something going on maybe upsetting the bowel. Because she said pancreatitis doesn't really give red jelly poo. Jasper also had test again for his thyroid but didn't get to discuss him. Charlie having n ultrasound on Monday to look at pancreas etc. Also it appears blood tests can be inaccurate so will repeat but not much point if he's still on flagyl. Both pooing normally now. Oh yes. We changed to food th hypoallergenic biscuits only. For 6 weeks but might have to switch again to low fat food. No chicken or rice etc. for now. If it was pancreatic cancer I think he'd be sick all the time. ?? He comes good on the flagyl.

I have started with probiotic powder. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

They go for a walk every day and spend us much time as possible outside except people do work. I work 3 days and have a walker who comes on those days and has done that for 4 years. I don't use chemicals in my house. I wash the floors with water. I vacuum the rest. I've followed the vets instructions with bland diet and most times with flagyl it settles. I don't understand how if Charlie starts and it's something inside him then jasper shouldn't come down with anything 4 days later. I've been at the vet every 4 weeks since before Christmas. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I wouldn't be feeding any carbs at all. What about just minced chicken frames with a good natural supplements such as Green pet or Pet ark. Why minced chicken frames? I used to feed chicken necks chopped up but when I found little chicken bones in garden I thought he was vomiting them up. Now it's just cooked chicken tenderloins. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

What is that food?? Where is it available ?? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Oops also forgot. Then they said he could be sensitive to chicken and try another protein or do elimination diet. I'm running out of protein and he's had rice, pasta , pumpkin, sweet potato. Next carbohydrate??? Of course they said they had a packaged biscuit with hydrolized protein but on research online on a site with dr Jean Dodd they didn't advocate hydrolized protein but novel protein. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD