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Great idea.... The stimulation the puppy recieves whilst waiting is fantastic. The having to control themselves and wait for you are very mentalling challenging, therefore energy draining!

HI, hoping someone, and I know that you guys will know her, will be able to give me Lucy's nhumber. My God I think that's her name!!! I have a rescued basket case I need her help with! And having go9ne through her puppy class about 4 years ago, I know she can help. Anyway, anyone got her number for me??? Thanks

Hi there, *I'm not jumping down your throat, and I'm not having a "go" at you either* (my little 'disclaimer') Exercise in Puppy's is a pet frustration of mine. When we bought our DDB, our breeder explained that she shouldn't be 'walked' as such. It's actually quite an obvious thing when you put it this way.... Puppies exercise themselves. They sleep when they need to and play when they have energy or are encouraged to play. Those that don't recive some kind of stimulation are the ones who become destructive. Exercise for a puppy of 5 months, should only be a short walk, but that short walk can be extreemely energy draining if you are using it as a training activity. Dogs energy is absorbed through challenging their brains as well as through walking for long periods. I know that if you walk for a short time, making your dog concentrate and 'heel', stop and 'drop', 'wait' etc then your dog will become a lot calmer than going for a fast or long walk allowing your dog to pull, or run free, or walk on one of the 'retractable leads. This isn't exercie as such, but just excitement. Your dog will still be bored and destructive, as it's mind hasn't been challenged as such. When Husky's are used for sledding, yes they are running over long distances, but it is under control and guidance from their handler. They are being mentalling challenged. Anyway sorry for the long post. Don't feel guilty, without my breeder, I would have been exercising our puppy when she was young. Now she's almost 4, has no elbow or hip problems, and is not and has never been destructive, is a happy, balanced, obedient part of our family.

It's only easy when you know. It's only a few years ago when the initials didn't mean anything to many people here. Now it is like a household name. It stands for National Dog Trainers Federation Thanks, I was going for something dog something something. We did a puppy preschool/ob with Nelly our dogue, and we were taught 'bow' and 'watch' or 'focus'. My teacher person is fantastic. I would love to do a course to broaden my knowledge (as little as it is). They need a Sydney course. Anywhere within 45 mins of me would be fantastic...... Or closer...

Sorry to be a pain, but what is ndtf? I realise it's probably something easy but I can't figure it out.

Sorry Dru, haven't been back on until now.... Douge.... crappo me, just typing too fast and when I do read through's I always miss it.... I'm usually 1/2 asleep when I do these things. Ummmm Good question about whereabouts..... It was a showground somewhere....... I have been showing horses since I was a kid, and just got used to where these things have been held..... But I also went with a friend who did the driving.... I did the trying to sleep thing... They were all show horses. It was a show held by the Arabian Horse Society, so there were a few Arab's a few mix breeds etc etc. We use Livamol in the horses as a coat conditioner. It's pretty much just that, although it contains vitamins and minerals..... Which I am guessing contribute to their coats....... Wow what an answer... Sorry! Lucky me got to leave both my 9 month old and Nell at home with my mum!!!!!!!! It turned out to be a good idea, my poor daughter was riding from 9 in the morning to about 2 in the arvo, she was sooooo tired, me too, and I got sunburnt!. I was supposed to put a heap of emoticons in this, but because I am really really 1/2 asleep then here are the ones I wanted to put in various places..... cheers

Cheers, thanks for the replies..... Griff; I have her in the feed room with me, because it's dark and scary...... I feel sooooo much safer with her there. It was her first time in there at feed up time, and she absolutely packed it whne she seen me coming with 5 buckets in each hand....... I must have looked like a big bucket bearing monster! Ooooh I had an anglo..... that was pre-baby days..... If I get a chance I'll give them a hello...

:p Duh just realised I am spelling it wrong......LIVAMOL Also my computer is driving me insane....... trying to get a better virus thingo POPUPS!!!! We currently use it for our show horses (anyone off to Blacktown on Sunday?), but my OH now makes me give it to his race horses.... BTW If anyone goes to Blacktown..... Can't miss us..... Tiny Tots... Black welsh mare, 3 white socks, big white blaze.......Stressed out mum....... May have Douge De Bordeaux in tow..... not sure yet. Big ask, 4 yr old child 9 mth old child, pony, pram..... dog?????????? maybe not but we'll see.

Hi, Whilst feeding the horses tonight I accidently dropped a small amount of Livamol on the floor. Nelly (my 17 wk Douge De Bordeaux) quikly licked it up, she loved it. I realise on the pakage it says it can be fed to dogs. But I was wondering if there is anyone who recommends it or anyone with a horror story to tell me about it. I am about to e-mail her breeder and ask what she thinks, but if anyone else has any pros or cons on it I would be greatful. Thanks heaps. ED: Cause I am a fool who spelt Livamol wrong..... :p I've been using it for a VERY long time now... think I'd know how to spell....

I've had experience with both birth related and accident related... However I' no expert. But this is what I've encountered. BTW I haven't read the whoele thread so I might be repeating other people, or not helpingat all. Anyway here goes; Case 1: From Birth, This dog was born dead, then revived, only to die I think 2 times again. His mother paid no interest in him, so he was part hand raised, part on his mother. He came to my mum at 8 weeks of age, and was taken places to 'solcialise' but he was never 'quite right'. He bacame a one person dog. He wouldn't eat unless my mum fed him, he would never walk on a lead. Hated bathes or being picked up, or anything where he couldn't feel anything solid underneath hiim. He wouldn't come inside on the tiles because he couldn't control himself on the slippery floor. He didn't have the 100% co-ordination of a normal dog in other words. He despised other dogs, and most dogs for some reason picked on him. He was bottom of the pecking order at mums, even the cats could get it over on him. He was pretty much just a strange dog all round. He wasn't always in control of his legs, and would roll his eyes occasionally. He has since been stolen or got out and wandered off. Something anyway we are still looking for him. Case 2: Accident, Striker was a car accident victim. He lost his front leg, and although I don't know the full story, something happened to his head as well. He was saved after a very expensive vet bill. But it was obvious, besides his leg, he was going to have some huge disabilities. His head was partially crushed on one side so that, when you looked at him, one eye bulged out a bit more than the other. And there was an indent behind the eye. He was never accepted amongst the other dogs again. He wasn't our dog, but due to his 'uncaring' owners he would come to our house every day and we bacame his half way house. Every dog in the neighbourhood would bash the poor little bugger, and after a hiding from one of dogs one day, he never came back to our house. He went back to the house where he was born and unfortunately I can't tell you how the story ends, because I don't know what happened to him. Either way the two similarities I have found is that other dogs just don't seem to accept a dog they once did......

Try ringing the University Veterinary centre at Camden. They are probably about 3 hours from you. But they did have a range of specialist vets there at one time. I am going back a few years when I was there on work exp. But they take the 'specialist' problem cases that other vets won't touch. More than likely they won't advise over the phone, but you can only try. Try ringing.... (02) 4655 0777 Not sure how expensive they are. Haven't been there for years. But like I said when I was there, they had a range of rotational specialists to do surgeries and assess difficult cases. It is well worth it in the long run. Whilst he may improve in the short term there may be underlying issues that could affect him in the future.