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Have you identified any triggers SSM? Does it happen when they are in their runs or elsewhere? I"d be tempted to try something with an ultrasonic sound device or even an audible sonic alarm. The key is an effective disrupter I suppose.

:) So unless Police were invited or had a warrant or a legitimate reason under the law to be there (note: questioning occupants is not on the list), then there may be a case for the owner to bring civil charges of trespass and potentially damage of property as well. The article seems to imply the owner is pretty emotionally unstable so I doubt she herself will take any legal action in any case.... BlackJaq, like all law, its not that straight forward. Where the line of "private property" is drawn is variable. Generally there is an implied license to enter residential property that goes as far as the front door. You can revoke that license for the general public but both legislation and common law give police and a range of other people limited powers to enter for the performance of particular duties. And of course there are also easements on most properties that permit essential services workers access to maintain them. Generally a police officer does not need to be invited to attend your property to knock on your front door and ask you a question. They cannot enter your house without your permission unless they are in possession of a warrant that authorises them to do something that would otherwise be unlawful. It's also worth noting that for the incident we are discussing, the police were not conducting a search. Of course this is far more straightforward in the ACT where, by law, we are not permitted to have front fences.

Yep. You should. It certainly applies to the public.

What would see have him charged with Tralee - property damage? You'd expect a jury would hear both sides of the incident before pronouncing judgement - something no one here has done. I'll ask again - what do you think the police officer should have done? Swung a boot at the dog? I have an acquaintance who recently sustained a bite to the leg from a mastiff breed. She's had to deal with massive bruising, the first operation to stitch and place drains, a raging infection, now plastic surgery and so far a month off work... Big dogs do big damage. I know quite a bit about VICPOL and their history of gun incidents. What I will tell you is that they have excellent firearms training and they are trained to react quickly to serious threat. So confront them with a serious threat and this is what can happen. So how about people don't do that? How about they keep their dogs safe?

Yea you can, unless they bring a warrant That's access to your house, NOT your property.

So when 65kg of dog rushes a police officer Tralee, what's your recommended action for protection of life and limb? What part of "you cannot deny access to the police" don't you grasp by the way?

Double post

Bang on Tralee. Police are people with lives and limbs. When they come to your front door, they are not trespassing or infringing your liberty - they have a right of access. Pays to remember that when considering how to contain your dog. Post a warning about the dog being on the property or keep it away from the access. No surprises mean no action in self defence, no reports to council and no DD declarations. Pretty much every tine this happens, the incident might reasonably have been prevented. All the argument about whether dogs get shot doesn't change that. Strangers don't know your dog. Keep it safe by letting people know its there. YOU are responsible for its safety. All this talk about liberties and rights needs to factor that in.

I think you're dealing with a combination of issues that merit careful, professional advice on a way forward. I suspect the answer may not be a simple as a change of diet. Then again, that could be the answer. Who knows? I'd suggest you try for a phone consult (with your dogs records forwarded) with someone like Dr Barbara Fougere in Sydney. She's a naturopathic vet. I suspect she'd want some blood work done as a start point. Thyroid issues would be something I'd want eliminated from the list. Just out of interest, what colour is your Frenchie?

I'd still like to know how, given the lack of detail about what happened, anyone can conclude that the dog did or did not behave aggressively and that the police officer did or did not have a legitimate reason to fear for his safety and therefore to shoot the dog in self defence. The only people we've heard from that have said anything about the dog are the owner and family members. Maybe I'm a blouse too but if a huge dog came running out a front door barking and growling at me, I'd probably pee my pants. If the dog just came on and didn't bark or growl, I'd probably have a heart attack. When they come in silently, they tend to mean business. We know nothing about the dog, the owner, the circumstances of the incident or the perception and reaction of the police officer beyond some pretty sketchy detail in a media report. The idea that the dog is by necessity the victim here and that the police officer behaved "disgracefully" bears reconsideration. We don't know enough to conclude anything.

You might find a more welcoming one. I'm not sure you'd find a more informed one. I don't visit other fora much these days but I do recall visiting a few, reading advice and shaking my head.

I'd love to see where anyone in this thread made that assertion as being "common knowledge" or a "fact". Or indeed, at all. :)

Yep, jump right up on that cross Cody... Lots of opinions expressed in this thread. Only one expressed so far as I can tell for the self admitted purpose of stirring the pot.

OC spray simply pisses some dogs off. Tasers don't always drop them. This article rather graphically illustrates the point The dog involved here was probably about 1/3 the weight of Bruiser. Locally only Sergeants have a taser. Everyone has O/C spray. I can't speak for Victoria.

This conclusion based on one media report that does not actually quote a single neighbour attesting to the fact that the dog was friendly. Did you miss the part where the owner's family admit that the dog did "growl and bark and that"?

But openly insulting police is just dandy :)

Care to support that assertion with a credible source? Fact is, a lot of "facts" quoted on the internet are pulled out of the poster's @rse to support a prejudice. Not all cops are on the up and up. However that's a long way from "a lot". Bring on body cameras and an instant way of verifying what happens in incidents like this - assuming the police officer turns the camera on.

Time will tell.

You might not know this but Sandgrubber did most of her breeding in WA. If it's in Australia, its in my world. I'm not annoyed by your post. I simply wanted to refute the idea that good looks and good temperament can't be found in the same dog and to correct any notion that breeding to a breed standard that does not consider temperament is common. You suggested that attitudes needed to be changed. I'm commenting that the attitude that temperament is not important is not one I have encountered here. I think its commendable that your heart is with the imperfect dogs. No dog is perfect, even if we like to think so. However some imperfections simply cannot be tolerated in a breeding program and poor temperament IMO is one of them. We werent' simply talking about pets here.

Thank you "numpties with guns" (to quote another DOLer referring to police) for doing right by these dogs. :)

Police also lie their heads off - until they realise the incident was recorded. Fixed that for you. Hardly. In future please refrain from changing my quotes. I'd hate for someone to think I actually did say that and that is precisely the impression your editing conveys. Incident recording keeps everyone honest. If that's your point, make it for yourself. Police are people by the way, regardless of what you think.

But according to this report, the dog rushed police. Clearly the police need to recruit more psychics. I wonder what "and that" entailed.

Police issue bullets don't go cleanly through anything. Police generally use hollow points which are designed to expand on impact.

They are already in use in parts of Australia. :cool:

The standards tend to have a page on structure & look, one one or two words on temperament though. No standard I know has "one or two words" on temperament. The Whippet standard says:　 TEMPERAMENTGentle, affectionate, even disposition. The Whippet is one of the least aggressive of dogs, both with people and with other dogs. He is gentle and affectionate in the extreme, but will also form a very close relationship with one particular person. He is amenable to discipline and very anxious to please. Whilst all this is true, he should not be at all retiring or shy. He might not be very interested in you, as a stranger, but he most definitely should not be timid, and will, given cause, warn off intruders. Look For: A relaxed but confident, even disposition. A Whippet should be neither timid nor aggressive.