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And there we can agree to differ. I find little reason for society to tolerate displays of aggression by dogs towards humans outside of their own property when there are options for retreat. I don't consider it 'normal'. Indeed, this dog didn't just not retreat.. it approached a person who wasn't waving a stick at it.. the police officer's posture was cautious but IMO not threatening. Territorial aggression I'll consider to be a little different. How a dog behaves in defence of its territory is something we've been harnessing for millenia And for aggressive displays to be tolerated in a breed developed for a very low aggression towards humans.. ah.. no. As to why it should be tolerated and managed by emergency service workers?? No idea really. If you want to own a dog that behaves like this, that's your business but its also your responsibility to contain it. Human aggressive roaming dogs? Only one likely ending for them really. By any legal definition, such dogs must be considered "dangerous".

Oh noooooooo! I'm so sorry.

Not an emergency - so you've heard the dispatch call? How do you jump to the conclusion that breed motivates what happens next? Hard to think straight with a large dog approaching you in a less than friendly manner. I've already said I don't think he should have shot it but I can understand why he did. What sees you dealing with large aggressive dogs on a regular basis - are you a ranger?

Wow, so many people with such clouded judgement. But one online viewer who knows what was really going on. What intrigues me is that you seem unwilling to consider the possibility that the breed of the dogs involved is clouding your judgement. Of course hearing one's pet dog screaming in terror couldn't possibly influence how anyone would perceive this as playing out. Totally irrelevant. And here's the thing. You're not standing there, having heard that dog screaming as you walked into the yard, having been called to an "emergency" and being approached by a strange dog and having only a firearm to defend yourself from what you perceive to be an aggressive dog. Don't you think that might have a teeny bit of influence on how you consider what happens next? All I can say is its best to judge the behaviour of the dog in front of you and make no assumptions, good OR bad about what its motives are based on its breed. Far safer either way. Many dogs do NOT react aggressively to humans by the way.. I don't find any reason to justify that dog's aggression.. but nice to know that you saw it for what it was. An interesting demonstration of behaviour from a breed renowned for NOT showing aggression to humans. There are some very bloody dangerous pits around Blackdogs.. not as many here as in the USA but they are being taken in a direction so far removed from their original temperament by some who do not have the breeds' interests at heart and it would pay to remember it.

In many places, emergency response is limited to police, fire or ambulance. Who is the 'someone' else you would call? Police do walk away from scenes and await the arrival of appropriate resources, but generally not when they perceive there is imminent danger to life or when they themselves are threatened. What I see here is people finding excuses for the reason two large offlead dogs are in someone's yard, terrifying their dog who is screaming in fear (and for all we know could be wounded) and approaching first the resident and then the police in a highly threatening posture. I don't give a toss what breed it is but my guess is that police officers, who get to deal with large aggressive dogs on an all too regular basis, might feel differently. What I also see is that there is a real and genuine need to educate more people about canine body language. Nothing about the brindle dog's behaviour towards people in that clip suggested defensive behaviour. The behaviour towards the Beagle, in my opinion, was predatory. And I'l say this about the Beagle. If it had offered any kind of retaliation, my guess is that it would be dead.

They CAN be.. in terms of ultimate structure, temperament etc. And out of that mouthing everything stage .. perfect for a family with kids :)

I have never understood the line of thinking that suggests dogs older than baby puppies, ESPECIALLY those raised and trained with care, are worth less. It's certainly not the case with horses.

Breed registers have been opened before for the influx of new blood.

About as easy as it is for the states to come up with one set of road rules ;) Or one education curriculum.

Can you give some examples? Bear in mind that "do nothing" probably wasn't an option here. I find the Beagle's terrified screaming really distressing. More than one dog suffered here. If there's anger to be directed at a person here, save it for the owner of the dogs that put them in this situation. The police are those called in to act when irresponsible people don't.. and yet they are the ones being judged here. Go figure.

I'm sorry to hear she hasn't been found yet MissyMoo. Stupid question but have you rung pounds outside of Melbourne??

I have no idea but given the weather forecast, I'm wondering if it will be above water

Here we go again. Exactly how many better ways to deal with aggressive dogs are police officers trained in or equipped with? These days they might taser or OC spray a dog but you have to have both of those pieces of equipment to be able to employ them. No, I don't think the dog should have been shot. But in the absence of a ranger or rangers with a dart (by the way I think that may have been animal control with a catchpole that the dog fronted earlier in the clip), when called to a yard to say two strange dogs are terrifying the shit of of a dog (or more likely even more dramatic), and when rushed by a dog that he perceived as aggressive, I can understand why he did what he did. 20/20 hindsight from the comfort of a computer screen is a wonderful thing. We have no back story and we weren't faced with that dog coming on. Pitbulls aren't always owned by cop loving people and my guess from a quick glimpse at US media, some cops may have confronted their fair share of aggressive pits in their working careers.

Defintely crossbred and my guess is that he's not an F1 of any two breeds. At a guess I'd say there's some Silky Terrier in there.

If he's smaller than a JRT or a Toy poodle, he's not a Parson.

Average price for a purebred, pedigreed dog out of the worst of its puppy phase that's had some training and is good with kids? Priceless! :) But realistically - $1500-$2000? However it might be best to ask in the German Shepherd Dog thread in breed subforums or in the breed thread in Dogs 101.

However Donatella, have you considered how frustrating (downright infuriating at times) it is for folk here when a new poster who has bought a pup from a source other than a responsible breeder is contantly seeking advice that they should be getting from the dog's breeder? Breeder takes no responsibility and others get to assume it. I appreciate that not everyone knows better and for that reason I try to be kind to those buyers who find their way here. However, when a person who's been here a while goes out and does it, I feel somewhat less than kind. I think its using forum members for their knowledge while sticking the middle finger up to what this place stands for. If I had my way, such posters wouldn't get be here any longer. Fortunately for them, Troy is more tolerant. Oh and another pet peeve. Please don't buy a crossbred pup and then suddenly morph it into a purebred because it suits you to call it by a breed name. When you start giving advice by saying "well I have a Boggadog and it does x" when you've got nothing of the kind, I tend to get a bit Rant over, back on medication now. ;)

Hi Telida Whippets, Yes he does do obedience often, as well as a little flyball & agility plus Rally-O and tricks. He will now be off to have some bowen therapy done If he's a wrap style heeler, then that may explain the relative weakness of the other side. If he heels well on your right, I'd be doing plenty of that exercise.

If he doesn't move as well on one side as he does on the other, my guess is that it's a structural, rather than a strength issue underlying the problem. I'd be starting with Chiro and Bowen therapy then exercises to develop flexibility. Does he do regular obedience also?

Seems to me Donatella that you are presuming more facts about this than anyone else. ;) You are certainly well ahead of the rest of us in presuming unflattering motives for posters in this thread. It could be an idea to remove the chip from your shoulder and stop making such presumptions. The OP certainly didn't. :)

People DID help. People gave genuine responses to the questions posed. The OP was happy with advice provided. The ONLY person who knows what the pup was fed before it came to its current home is the person who bred it. Why not ask them? Where's the "condescension" ???

There are plenty of bench standards that are pretty much silent on the issue of colour though. I'll quote Whippets as an example: I appreciate that there are some aspects of some breed standard that appear to be purely cosmetic and that would have little if any application to breeders of working dogs. But understanding the 'why' aspects of the specifications in breed standards can be very important and in some breeds, colour DOES matter.

Will the dog be allowed inside? How much exercise will the dog get daily?

Weasels On the contrary, certain physical charactersitics are essential in all good working dogs. No point in having a dog with the brain for the job if structually it can't perform as required. That was the basis for most breed standards developed. Its INTERPRETATION of breed standards and the lack of testing for function that's seem 'working' and 'bench' lines develop in breeds.

In my experience they don't. I don't know anyone who charges more for show prospects than for pets.