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I just looked at the Customs Act in the UK and can see no ban on importation of any breeds of dogs? Please provide a link.. It allows them to act in the case of a dog being a menace or dangerous not just to do whatever they please. The laws in regards to private property are supposed to help in the case of ie: if a child is attacked at home by the family dog, they can press criminal charges against the parents or owners of the dogs, where as before if this attack happened they could not. This will apply to all breeds of dogs. This is the best step they can take for preventing dog attacks, punishing the owners of any dog of any breed that is involved in an incident. They won't be able to just go around ordering the "Chavs" to muzzle a dog that hasn't had a complaint against it. Yes I do think it will make a huge difference, because responsible owners will be fine and the sh*tty irresponsible owners will not. At the moment responsible and irresponsible owners of only certain breeds are being punished and the irresponsible owners of other breeds are not. This will take a focus off PB's and onto irresponsible people, just like in Calgary, they will find these laws work a helluva lot better than BSL. I am not saying it will prevent all idiots from buying them but it will make some difference and more decent responsible owners will have them and more of the responsible owners will be able to take their dogs out in public and show people what they are really like. All BSL does is suppress the good, responsible, ethical breeders but your crappy BYBers are still out there breeding these dogs and they won't stop. It will make a difference, not right away but we all know Rome wasn't built in a day. The picture in the news story was taken by a Year 11 student who took the picture when the dog was wandering in their yard, her father then reported the dog to the council, that was an hour before the attack. It is the same dog that was seized after the attack. I never said it was purebred, I said Bull Terrier or cross of, it was rego'd with council as a Bull Terrier X so I would say it is a cross. I had it listed in with my "favourites" but it's gone missing. I tried a search & couldn't find it either. However, banned breeds are automatically banned imports, except under special license. Repealing the BSL wont necessarily lift the ban on the currently banned breeds. Nothing has been mentioned in this regard as far as I could see. I have googled the proposed legislation & while it appears as though seizure on appearance is to be given a miss, the powers of the ACOs & police have been significantly increased. It looks as though dog ownership will get a little bit harder, more involved & quite a bit more expensive. Compulsory 3rd party insurance for dog owners for e.g. So don't start your celebrations just yet, The blue bird of happiness may just crap on your party cake. Edit. If you read the proposed amendments & listen to the ministers being interviewed it doesn't appear a total repeal of the BSL is likely. The impression I get is more an admission the 1991 legislation was poorly conceived & implimented. The amendments proposed are not a softening of the laws favouring the dog owner but rather a increase in powers, with the strengthening of current powers for those on the opposite side. Maybe i'm just a pessimist, but I can't see any politician putting their neck on the block by abolishing or reducing DD laws. Any votes they gain by such a move would be insignificant compared to those they lose.

I wonder, just wonder, if the dog playfully jumped up on the toddler, as friendly dogs do, & scratched his face. The tradie ''charging to the rescue'' apparently hit the dog over the head with a bloody big wrench. That is when the shit hit the fan. Dog mauls kid, grannie & attacks rescuers has a better ''feel'' journalistically wise to it tho, sells more papers.

K&P, Read it, I didn't notice any mention of the Customs Act being amended? If that is the the case, the import bans will remain. Banned dogs will still be banned dogs. The U.K is awash with ''Pitbull" type dog using various names, Irish Staffies, Working Staffies, Olde Style Staffies, Game Breed Staffies etc, etc, & it was/is costing a fortune to impliment the draconian DD act. You would have noticed numerous references to this in your links. The new regs will allow the ACOs to issue infringment notices & compliance instructions direct to the owners. They will be able to order the "chavs"(bogans) to muzzle their dogs in public. It will allow authorities to now act on private property where they previously had no authority. They wont be grabbing a dogs on suspicion, they will be ''interviewing'' the owners. Rather than dogs being confiscated for their appearance (good news) the owners will be harassed for having them ( no so good) Revenue in as opposed to revenue out. Responsible owners will nothing to worry about, as is the case already. Do your really think things will be to much different? '' If BSL was repealed Pitbulls would no longer be as attractive to the bogans and tough guys because they are no longer illegal,'' Talk about naive!....good grief. Why do think the breed became a problem in the first place? The bogans & the tough guys were the problem when they were legal. It was love at first bite. Weapon dogs, or as they are so quaintly known in the U.K. ''status dogs" aren't the breeds of choice for mums & dads seeking a lovely little doggie for little Billy to grow with. Bogans & wannabes will the be target market. You like pitties, there will be plenty of ém if BSL is repealed. Which is unlikely....IMO Edit ETA - I commented on their news story stating that the dog looks like and is registered as a Bull Terrier and that it is a separate breed and they have now change the breed from Pitbull to Bull Terrier. The dog pictured is ''thought'' to be the dog involved. sigh...."thought to be?" You identified as a pure breed bull terrier. I agree. The photo also looks like it was taken over a fence with the dog in a back yard. I think it would have been proper to mention that as well. It may be the culprit, But then again maybe the perpertrator is still at large? Time will tell.

the BSL isn't the issue that concerns me. I have always been anti BSL. It's the deception employed when ever a pitbull incident occurs that is the concern to me & many others with breeds directly affected by the deceptions. the example you quote i.ds a bull terrier X, who i.ded the dog? The owner did? Well, go on. And it is accepted by you, & others like you, as irrefutable without really knowing if it is true or not. If it really was a xbully & that was the catalyst for the BSL, why isn't the bull terrier a restricted breed? Why? Be honest with yourself. The best thing that could happen for the breeds favoured in the deceptions would be the repeal of the BSL legislation, if honesty is then applied of course. Which is highly doubtful. But if.....watch the stats for the xstaffy, xridgey, xamstaff, xbluey, xlab & assorted other X's of various pure breeds drop dramatically. Oh, not to forget the xmastiffs of course. There would be no reason for this forum, & it would be the end of the deny & discredit ploy employed everytime a silver bullet of truth/fact is fired through the smokescreen of deception. And I would be really happy for Chrissie Tybrax, the only the breed stalwart here really walking the walk & displaying any class, ethics & honesty. She is probably the only poster here who actually owns APBTs & has as much to lose as the owners of all the pure breeds so shamefully discredited by the imposters. Those with nothing to lose really don't have a lot of cred in the debate. Poseurs, one & all. Don't delude yourself, the BSL will never be repealed as long as those involved display the irresponsiblity that currently blights the breed. Fat chance of that.IMO bTW, APBTs are a banned import.....but of course you knew that. That hasn't stopped the importation though. Deception is a cottage industry as far as this breed is concerned. BTW, Any variations to the DD legislation in the U.K is still to have a list of restricted breeds. Of which the APBT is numero uno. #1 on the hit parade. Fact, as usual.

Sorry Dougie but bsl was dropped on this country overnight for no good reason other than we are a Commonwealth country then year by year it was inched in. That statement confirms to me my long held suspicions regarding your total lack of knowledge (or honesty) regarding the entire topic. You need to get out more into the real world of real dogs & stop living out your fantasies on the net. Reinterate! People like you are the problem, not the solution.

Both of those registries are all breed registries not solely APBT registries.There are a lot of other breeds with more checkered pasts that are registered with yours but this ois old ground we have been over it a million times before but you only like to hear the sound of your own voice. Your truth is not the real truth. Just saying it doesn't make it so. One truth is the UKC accepts any "breed" onto its registry, just apply, you're in. Another is the APBT is not recognised as pure breed outside its own registry. Sans ADBA But even the ADBA has a different perspective of what is a ''genuine'' APBT. Think cavoodle & you have it. Consistency makes a genuine pure breed. A different ''type'' on every corner doesn't cut the mustard. You are in a constant state of denial, tub thumping your unsubstantiatable opinions to the naive. Like I said earlier, if you really are on your feet, step out the shadows & be seen to walk the walk. Talking the talk is only half the job. The most despised & feared dog on the planet needs more than hyperbole shouted from the temporary safety behind other breeds to put it's case. I say temporary safety because ''you'' are making it so. The breed had it's chances &, in a typical display of arrogance, the warnings were ignored. The BSL is on ''your'' head, ''you'' deal with it. Aim up. Leave genuine recognised pure breeds out of stategy of deception. Anyhow, this a BSL forum, for the discussion of the BSL, not a pitbull appreciation society. Not everyone disgrees with the BSL, as a matter of fact, most people agree with the legislation. And not everyone cares for the APBT. Most don't even want them in society in fact. Sooner or later the pennies will drop & you will finally realise the more you masquarade your breed as others the more you are alienating former allies. You, & those like you, aren't the solution, you are the problem.

We are all converts and wont go back. As is usually the case once people have had the experience. Being a pure breed doesn't necessarily mean it is a show dog. Some of the best examples of breeds live their lives as loved/loving family companions. Being an ANKC member is not a requisite for owning a recognised pure breed. Desire is the only requirement. Showing is optional.

Chrissie, I doubt very much if such a case could ever be fought & won by claiming seperation between the AST & the APBT for one very good reason. At that time the UKC, the APBTs main register, was accepting AKC registered ASTs onto their register as pure bred APBTs. That's game over. IMO, the GCCC should get some accolades for withdrawing, with the case all but won, before a final decision & a precedent set declaring ASTs to be APBTs. Imagine the ramifications for the AST of such a precedent. Keira, Firstly, I have no emotion, not dislike nor affection, for the APBT. It is not a breed that holds any attraction for me. Having said that, you really need to do more research on the BSL before launching on your quest. Our species, as a whole(not race) does have a lot to answer for, but the BSL is is not one of them. The BSL is entirely the fault of pitbull owners. The BSL weasn't dropped on the breed overnight. It was years in the making. APBT owners were given more than one chance to get their act into gear. They failed, actually I'm not sure if one can fail without one even trying, but they did fail their breed. Badly. The restrictions were gradual & applied because of almost weekly reports of attacks upon humans, mostly kids. As a result the APBT, while restricted in public, were still allowed to owned, bred, sold, traded, exchanged, given away, just as any other breed. The attacks continued virtually unabated, until finally a very scared public said enough is enough & demanded protection, the pollies seized on the opportunity for brownie points & effectively banned the breed. I speak of NSW btw. Besides stringent requirements for housing, the dogs were required to be sterilised. they were not to be bred from (obviously) & they weren't to be sold, traded, given away. So were are all the pitties coming form now? Just as they didn't take the tip at the begining, when there was still a chance for them, the owners of the breed are totally disregarding the BSL laws & relying on deception to maintain the breed in a black market. Who would want the breed? Use your imagination . Which is where I came in. (And probably TheCoat. but I only speak for myself) My breed, a registered, recognised pure breed that has build a reputation as one of the most reliable people dogs on the planet is suffering extraordinarily because of the deception. My breed has has come from nowhere to top of bite stats since the introduction of the BSL while the pitty has gone from the top to the bottom. Do you see the connection here? Blind Freddie could. You claim love & affection for a breed you have no real connection to, don't own, haven't owned & I fear for the future of my breed because of a breed it has no connection with. Maybe you are right after all.. Our species, some of them anyhow, do have a lot to answer for.

Chivers introduced the expert witness, not the GCCC. What ever, it was accepted as ''expert evidence. Try the "it's not an APBT it's an unpapered AST'' ploy & see how you get on? Hammered is how. Talk about head in the stand. Do you really believe the APBT is ''restricted'' simply because of the way it looks? In many parts the world? including great swathes of it's country of origin? Get real! Do you consider ''restricted'' applies to the breed or to the keeping of the breed? Both? Do you have the breed? If so, Do you keep it/them as required by the legislation or do you practice civil disobedience as many/most/all owners obviously do? If you want support, you have to not only do the right thing, you have to be seen to be doing the right thing. So far, no see. Trying to shift the blame aint going to cut it. Stop whinging that the breeds you are pointing at are pointing back. "You"caused your own problem. Nobody else. Stand up & be counted if you are so passionate. Step out of the shadows. You talk the talk, let's see you walk the walk.

Maybe to you they are not recognised as genuine purebreds. But 113 years of purebred registry says differently. If someone opened a Cavoodle registry I would be happy to tell them their dogs are now purebred when they had been breeding and registering them for 113 years, oh and if they changed the darn name to something a little more sensible. Also you may want to go back to the start of the thread and have a look it was started over 3 years ago, why have you and TheCoat dredged up such an old thread? The thread was originally created by someone who was and still is helping people fight the Council's here in QLD against their draconian laws and fighting council's illegal seizure and euthanasia of many innocent dogs. I may be wrong, but it appears the thread was reopened by the original poster (Chivers solicitor?) or an associate there of. To what end? One can only assume to continue the blame switching charade. And winning I might add. Do you think so? Really? The litigant in Chivers V GCCC introduced her own expert witness' testimony which, much to everyones shock/horror, stated Am Staffs & APBT's were the same breed, effectively destroying her own case. IMO, & this is purely conjecture on my part, the council heard the combined groan of every Am Staff owner in the world, not just in Australia or Qld, for a legal precedent about to be laid down. Realising the pandoras box that was opening, they withdrew. The case was not won, nor is it really finalised. The Qld government then enacted legislation declaring ANKC registered Am Staffs are not a restricted breed. Please note ANKC registered. Nothing else has changed. The fat lady hasn't sung just yet. BSL is still law. Non ANKC registered Am Staffs are still pitties as far as the BSL is concerned. BTW, pure breeds & registered recognised pure breeds are miles apart. One being pretty much a local thing of no real consequence except to those involved, the other internationally acknowledged by every genuine pure breed registry. cavoodles? pure breeds? Start a pure breed registry. They still wont be recognised as pure breeds outside that registry. Chauncey said Bennetts Ring was a pure breed, 113 years on & still the AKC doesn't agree with him. That has to tell you something?

Not recognised by any purebred registry? Only being recognised by their own membership doesn't count. Open a registry for ""pure breed" Cavoodles & you will have exactly the same scenario to the establishment of the UKC. i.e. A club to register dogs that aren't recognised as pure breeds by the countries pure breed registery. A claytons pure breed registry. Dogs solely registered by the UKC/ADBA aren't recognised as genuine recognised pure breeds any more than their registery is recognised as a genuine pure breed registry.

Hackel is a beautiful dog. Absolutely stunning. I can't for one minute imagine him being the result of haphazard, unplanned or indiscriminate breeding. P.E.T.A preferred breeding.

"Id rather die on my feet, than live on my knees" Viva Zapata. If you stategy isn't to muddy the waters by including other breeds, what is this thread all about then? Why list other breeds without any question as to the authenticity of the breed when you deny every report of a so called pitbull ''incident'', even when there is definate photographic identification? Your are on your feet alright ricey, pointing, from the shadows. You may find the attachment of some interest. From a 2008 publication.

People are constantly warned about what is known as the ''Nigerian Scam'', but, despite the warnings, many are still lured by the thought of easy money & they get severely burned. I wonder if staff has fallen for the same ''easy money'' scenario. Breeding blues for bucks could be better termed the ''blue scam''. Sucker bait. No sympathy staff, you knew the risks, you ignored the warnings, you pay the piper.

You say TheCoat is advising you you to call them cross breeds? You misread the objection me thinks. He/she wants you lot to leave the recognised pure breeds out of your deceptions. Besides, it's too late for that, that is what you are doing already. Pitbull Mastiff for example, enter the mastiff into the cauldron. I doubt you would even know what a mastiff looks like? And doubt even more if any mastiff owner/breeder would ever consider contaminating their breed & compromising their ethics by crossing their breed with anything at all, especially a pitbull. Sounds good for the purpose of the exercise though. "The convenient lie"

Well ricey, TheCoat is on your case & right on the money. He/she knows, as do the rest of us honest doggie folk , a "convenient lie" will follow when an APBT hits the headlines. As they regularity do. You constanttly trumpet the worth of your breed to all & sundry, yet deny it's existence when it's involved in incidents. At best you admit to the suspect dog being a ''x breed''.....''the convenient lie''. a pitbull mastiff perhaps. In the meantime you are deliberately drawing other recognised purebreeds in the mess your arrogance has dropped on the canine population in general the bull breeds in particular. Muddying the water as much as possible. I have never been a supporter of the BSL. But it's here & the reason the BSL doesn't work is because those it applies to just ignore it. "A convenient lie", when necessary, is easier. Some just don't have the courage of their convictions. All piss & wind.

As Al Gore would say this is the 'Inconvenient Truth' Bad analogy. Al Gore & his propaganda doco has been so heavily criticised by the scientific boffins for its lack of factual material it has been withdrawn from most school curriculums, world wide. The fact Al Gore is the principal of the biggest carbon trading firm in the U.S.A didn't do much for its credibility either. So much so it has renamed ''A Convenient Lie'' by its critics. The reason the American Pitbull Terrier doesn't appear on any recognised pure breed register is because it isn't consider a genuine pure breed. Simple. Does the name Ayen Choi ring a bell?