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BUT the BISS didn't count towards her GR CH under the old rules, so how is that fair ? Probably because a BISS is really a BOB, & therefore fell under the 25 point requirement rule.

He obtained a BIS without (to that point) competing against anything in his breed..... Congrats, Job done. Thank you for your support.

You wouldn't think a "hero" would be swinging a huge stillson pipe wrench at a the dog in close contact with a baby in a pram either. First it's a pitbull, then it's a bully cross, one report has the child in a pram, another has him/her walking. One report has horrific injuries to face & neck, another, superficial scratches. The story flashed acrossed the media & disappeared without trace. Strange.

But one could say in order to attain their title, the said dog could have to either achieve a Class in Group at All Breeds, or a Class in Show at Specialty (At Championship show only for both). Afterall, you would have a certificate obtained stating your dog has obtained a higher award than a Challenge Certificate. That could weed out dogs getting titles if they can't win at Group or Show level. Just a thought here. A BIG class award can be gained without any competition. And considering claims here some specialty shows are too small for a BIS 25 point challenge it would be fair to assume a BIS class could also be attained without be placed before another entry. I am surprised & disappointed, at the number of people distraught should the easy path to championship status be made more than a gift. Why not just go for points to be awarded for entering without the inconvienience of having to attend. Simply include a S.S.A.E & they can post the CC out. Anthony Mundine claims 3 world championships but he has never beaten a reigning title holder. Cedibility? Zero.

frankly Stone tiresome folk like you who do not bother to understand the purpose of dog showing and continue to whine on and illustrate your complete lack of understanding of dog show rules and etiquette are the reason I personally love and use Troys ignore button *pushs ignore* ah peace Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

Great to see a feel good story for a change.

Answer to showdog. All you quotes & crap wont allow a direct reply. No one has to agree with me. Some do, some don't. That is what opinions are. Although I am having difficulty understanding just wtf you are ranting about? If your dog is a multi BIS/BIG winner it has obviously earned it's status. That is my whole argument ffs.

Agree - but can someone who only breeds ordinary dogs even a specialist? Not to me & one shudders to think what would be awarded......

Genuine question here. IN YOUR OPINION should I then stop showing my dogs until there are more of the breed available to show against? What do you expect those of us with rarer breeds to do? As I have said earlier there are no more than 10 Fauves being exhibited Australia wide and only 30 in total in the country. if my opinion re tougher criterior for titles was reality it would be up to you if you continued. It would be interesting to see if people with unpopular breeds actually stuck to it if the titles weren't so easy to gain. Really interesting.

Beating other dogs is irrelevant. Your dogs are judged against the standard, if the Judge doesn't consider them worthy of Champion/Grand Champion, they will non-award them and they won't get the points. If dogs that are getting point uncontested shouldn't be getting titles that the issue is with the Judges, not the points system. Getting there with uncontested six pointers is just as valid as getting there by beating a lot of dogs (and arguably shows a lot more dedication and effort). I didn't say ''beat other dogs'' "Placed before" is entirely different. Dogs that haven't been placed before an other entrant don't deserve the title is my opinion, set in stone. Edit:- one competitor with two entries doesn't count for much either. IMO Dedication? Dedication is turning up & competing with expectation, not certainty. The gentle applause when a judge actually has the balls to non award regular single dog entries tells the story.

makes those happy that find the current rules hard. So who's whinging? You miss the point. Some here believe gaining titles should be harder to obtain than simply being gifted for turning up. I believe a title gain by a dog being placed before maybe a couple of hundred exhibits at breed level is more worthy of the title than one that hasn't been placed in front any. You obviously don't agree. that's your opinion, you are entitled to it.

And to clarify your original post only mentioned a 25 point challenge with no mention of BIG. Pedantic. 6 pointers are listed as BOB. All points are recorded on the BOB ceritficate. Group is actually another challenge. Points are adjusted to include any additional points gained for BIG on the BOB certificate. To a max of 25. Hence the commonly used & accepted term BIG, 25 point challenge. (not all group wins amount to 25 points.) Fact Not an opinion.......

ETA as for getting a 25 point Challenge would have to move overseas to have any hope of that. If a dog can't ever win a 25 point challenge or a 25 point group in it's entire show life I don't consider it worthy of Ch status. Just my opinion.

In a word. No

They picked a worker? Now that is news worthy.

Those with consistent, honestly help opinions that I may not necessarily agree with still have my respect. Inconsistent, self contradictory persons don't. Age, experiencs, knowledge has made the two easily recognisable.

So with a breed like mine (Basset Fauve De Bretagne) where there are currently less than 10 being shown reasonably regularly between Townsville and Melbourne our challenges shouldn't count UNTIL we compete against others of our breed? I've travelled for competition and LOVE competition (even when my girls lose) but at the moment unless I travel the only competition my girls get is each other. ETA or should they count only when they also win a class in group? Or only when they win group? There IS no perfect answer to any of these problems. No matter which way the ANKC goes people are going to be pissed off. IMO, The requirements apparently just dumped for the awarding of the GCh title were a breath of fresh air. The requirements for Ch awards should have been a modification of that. Two 25 point challenges to be gained before Qualifying for the title of Aust Ch for e.g. Your challenge points would still count but being titled would require more credibility. It is probably harder for a ''popular'' breed to be titled due to the amount of competition. The rewards are greater for sure, but much harder to come by. Consider a previous topic where it is possible for a r/u BIS to finish in front of a 1000 dogs for no reward & yet some go home with 6 points just for being there? Ridiculous. Just my opinion.

A retrograde step IMO. Really disappointing. The possibility is being a made up "Champions" in 17 shows, grandies in 167 without actually having been placed before another exhibit? Divided by 2 or 3 shows a week & it really show how ridiculous the situation is. 6 weeks for champ, just over a year for grand without opposition? Not much credibility there. Any wonder overseas associations regard our awards with suspicion.

Have ever considered doing Australias Got Talent? A scuba wearing tap dancer. Now I would like to see that. Maybe you could work up an act as the human chameleon, you certain try to change your ''colours'' quickly enough to suit the situation.

The story certainly dropped from view unusually quickly & that's a fact

Selective exhibiting perhaps. It's been known to happen. More than just occasionally.

In the U.K dogs are awarded c.cs depending on the number of entries. The less popular breeds have smaller entry number requirements, but I think there has to be at least three entries. if there is not enough entries the CC is not awarded. Three C.Cs are required to be made up. (edit:- three different shows, 3 different judges) Canada, & I assume the USA have a similar system. I was totally confused when watching a show in Canada & 5 dogs lined for best of breed. Took a while to figure out Ch dogs are called "specials" & don't need to compete at class level, They just rollout for the B.O.B. That is pretty ordinary IMO. I prefer the entries to be anon & the dogs judged on their merits. (In a perfect world i.e)

i bet you are a good tap dancer geo.......

Bloat isn't merely gas in the stomach. Bloat is when the stomach twists, it is fatal if not diagnosed quickly & surgically remedied.

Do you just read the part of my posts you want to disagree with? Nothing to do with animal rights, that is not my rationale and I didn't say so, not sure how you got that from reading my post? My last 3 dogs have all been rescues. How about yours? "If" I Chose or a breeder I chose to buy from wanted to keep a dog entire, then that would be entirely my perogative, and absolutely nothing to do with anybody else. :D post #91 that began -, It's about the rights of an animal not just about what we think we should do because of BSL suggested it. My last 3? All my dogs since the '60s have been from registered breeders or home bred. 'rescues"? Aren't they usually either dumped or surrendered victims of over population? the lucky ones, the minority, the very, very small minority are ''rescued''. Thousands upon thousands ain't that lucky.