TheCheekyMonster

Before Gus is aloud to leave my side, I always give a release queue, If I haven’t and he breaks a sit I do put him back on lead for a lap around the park then try again.... Its really only the mounting and this incident that I want to get grasp of before it gets WAY out of control...I think he has difficulty understanding his play can be ended when I say so, not when he feels like its over.... I think Meegs suggestion of as soon as he mounts pull him away, back on lead, negative marker and leaving would work well, so I will do this when he mounts the next dog. I think really nailing TOT will help a lot as well, so I am revisiting this as well.

I think Tail whacking would be a good one

FYI m-sass not all registered breeders are ethical

what is work and what is play, is working and playing with a human the same as just playing with another dog? My dog has such enjoyment when playing with other dogs, he will also choose to play fetch with me instead..... but he will get over it, and go back to playing with the other dogs. does this mean I need to carry more games with me? or once his done playing with me its game over and we are going home? I guess his the decision maker and not me in this scenario isnt he?

What people haven't learnt from any of these incidents is why it happened. M-sass your clearly blaming everything on genetics and BYB's, but it isn't as simple as that. People aren't learning why attacks happen and how to avoid them. The plain truth is any dog can and will bite given the right situation, regardless of how incredible you or anyone thinks their dog is. I have never owned a dog not knowing exactly of what it is capable of and it's triggers, it's about knowing your dog, its traits, its signals, what it needs to be a happy dog and how to avoid putting your dog in situations that will invariably provoke unwanted reactions. Some dogs will never encounter a situation that may provoke a biting reaction, but that doesn't mean they're not capable. It is as simple as genetics, some dogs have a predisposition for aggression and some don't. If a dog is so fixated on the chase and slaughter factor as a natural instinct as Ayen's killer was, it's not fit and stable enough to be in the community as a supposed family pet, wrong type of dog for that environment. Saying that all dogs are capable of biting as an excuse for what Ayen's killer did is a big difference with a dog biting in defence of having a kid stick it's finger in the dogs eye when cornered than dog shooting across from the other side of the road to "get em" then barging into the house after someone else then redirecting onto a poor little girl hanging onto her mum's legs in fear and killing her...........get with it please and admit that the dog was a piece of crap and accept that it was a landshark at all levels. Who can seriously say their own dog slipping under the roller door would do that, and I am damn sure it wasn't trained to that either?? you talk such garbage and once again have turned a thread into something totally unrelated......do you ever have anything constructive or knowledgeable to say? And once again "Landshark" should not be used to describe any k9 behaviour, its an uneducated remark and uncalled for.

That would just cover funeral costs! how disgraceful.

No, I don't think so. I don't think you should be. But you is you, and you can be if you want to be. But I wouldn't be. You is you, and me is me. Thanks Dr. Suess

this will start as of tonight!! and hopefully it works, I have really tried to nip this mounting nonsense in the butt, though I have just really never known how and hoped he would get over it, (honestly I have just stopped taking him to the dog park pretty much since he started about 3 months ago this weekend is the first time his been back in a good month or so). He used to be such a well mannered pup what happened!. I guess another part is do I need to look at re training...... I think he has lost the understanding that I am Boss and that purely my fault for not being consistent... but how do you re teach all focus on you?

Yup! ---------- Though I would be very careful about your dog humping every other dog, it's extremely rude and one day you might come across a dog that takes serious offence to it. If your dog came over to mine and tried to hump them, then I would be trying to get yours away quick smart as mine HATE dogs that are rude and there would be a fight. Bit of a sore point, as it's very annoying having random dogs trying to hump your dogs and owners think they are 'playing' I know 99.9% of dogs dont like it Nala being on of them but how do you stop this behaviour? I do try and pull him away but he just keeps doing it, i guess 100% recall would be a start,

I have come to the conclusion m-sass is a troll.

Haven't heard of Tarban Creek, and it's pretty close to me. That could be good, the "mainstream" ones get pretty feral on the weekends! There are maybe 5 dogs there at tops and you get the odd idiot but most of the time the people are awesome... but even if there are odd balls there are different parts to the park that is separated by bushland so you can separate them, I warn those with dogs who love water because its surrounded by it haha and there is a pond in the middle which joins the two parks (its the park under the gladesville bridge?)

Thats ok, lol its somewhat the same topic :S maybe an off branch.... but I think starting dog sports is a great way to help pup socialise.

Personally I would remove my dog if another dog started snapping at her. Its my job to protect her- even from SWFs. I take my dog to the offlead park for exercise, not to be terrorised. Your dog is maturing & you need to start watching him & reading his body language. If he shows signs of not tolerating another dog's bad behaviour, then remove him. Or even better, avoid rude dogs. His response might have been appropriate, but you don't want it to become a default response through regular practice. Dogs who react to rude dogs is generally caused by the reactive dog feeling insecure that eventually triggers fear aggression...........confident dogs can take a playful scruff and rolly polly and know the difference between play and fight, the dog that gets nasty in play is the one that needs watching in my experience. Age might have something to do with it too though. I know a 5 year old 50kg rotti who goes to dog parks and little dogs hump his legs, big dogs try and scruff him for top dog but nothing bothers him, he never reacts, he literally just walks away, he is so placid just wants to play ball! Might be different for an adolescent boy though just getting his balls to stand up for himself, however that can work against the owner as others have suggested in that he will learn undesirable behaviours. Example of a normal scenario which has happened countless times in the last 3 months: Gus sees a male dog... oow lets see how dominant he is.... goes for a mount, the other dog arcs up has a growl throws him down, and they go for a play, gus will try again when the other dog is tired same thing happens Gus knows not to be a cheeky boy and the dogs are best of friends..... our friends old cattle dog was the only one that Gus is able to mount and he has a jolly old time and then gets over it.... he almost has a cheeky grin on his face and frolics around like a goose when he is told off.... when owners do not get involved things pan out how they should, when owners start intervening and getting all paniced that’s when things get out of hand....I know the difference between a telling off and being aggressive, and i know what my dog can and can’t handle.... he plays with the bomb squad all day so his a pretty tough cookie.

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Works for me! The only off-leash parks I know are Cafe Bones (a bit meh, really) and Sydney Park in St Peters(not bad, actually, but tends to be lots of kids around which can be a downside if your dog isn't a kid person) List of Off Lead Parks ? Whoops just read that was a trial in 2010 Tarban Creek is also pretty good.... spacious more than anything,

August Saturday 11th?? I'm not to good with parks so someone else feel free to pick a park that is good and im easy with time haha

Personally I would remove my dog if another dog started snapping at her. Its my job to protect her- even from SWFs. I take my dog to the offlead park for exercise, not to be terrorised. Your dog is maturing & you need to start watching him & reading his body language. If he shows signs of not tolerating another dog's bad behaviour, then remove him. Or even better, avoid rude dogs. His response might have been appropriate, but you don't want it to become a default response through regular practice. Ow of course I dont! I'm usually pretty good at reading dogs body language, but this happened in a second that I was not looking, so being more attentive on my behalf is a must!, I dont want this being a defult response at all.

:) , I love dog parks, I love seeing my dog in his element..... I also like to see him put his training into practice.... i.e when I say leave it.. he does a little turn around and run the other direction, they are a great place to let off some energy...but as a first time dog owner I'm learning my pup is not going to be the little angel forever... I can almost compare him to my 16yo brother, you can see such similarities in cheeky behaviour that you didnt see coming.

Yeap I can totally understand the rough play and small dogs, my parents have a SWF and so we have had to teach Gus gentle... this is also a lesson for me to NEVER take my eyes off my dog haha... damn dogs are like children can never have a proper conversation with the adults!! Sometimes you can see dogs react to their owners emotions, and it can cause problems that may not have occurred otherwise.... I guess there are always going to be dramas at a dog park just never thought my dog would cause it ,I now have no reason to put my spots on a pedestal

What dog aggression is out of line unless you want to train the dog to fight the dog needs a damn good correction and put back in it's place.........the only one who does the fighting is the handler and the dog needs to learn that. Too many dog owners try and place discrimintory reasoning when a dog is allowed to react and when they are not, ideally unless you want a full on fight to death to occur down the track, any bristle up's need to be corrected and stopped.

Hahah yea, I would fully assume Gus was being annoying, he tends to annoy other dogs in his teenage months... it happened quite a few times after he tried to mount a few male dogs, they pinned him down and Gus was happy as Larry to be told what to do the they would play for a good hour and he wouldn’t try and mount them again... Nala does the same things when dogs mount her so I understand most dogs just do not like it and can react accordingly (we generally don’t take Nala off lead if we are in a heavily off lead area just in case some dogs don’t get the hint to back off).... I think he was confused more than anything, dominant isn’t his game, but his happy to try on the pants and see if they fit, I think in this mutts case it over reacted and a combo of its owners reactions just set both dogs in some anxiety..... Gus does have very good bite inhibition, so even if he did go for a nip i highly doubt he would have done any damage he went for the side of the neck and not the jugular. .....I was more concered it was out of character for him to react that way, so dogs he is familiar with im letting him play with... the dogs he has just met I will need to put him on lead and see how we go... its like introducing him to the dog park all over again.... It was a little frustrating how every 5 seconds the SWF owners would be of panic when any dog larger than theirs would come around they would call it back in panic and of course it didnt come back, it would play with the dogs and the owners would hover over trying to get their dog away its like PEOPLE ITS AN OFF LEAD DOG PARK!! if you dont want your dog playing with other dogs of all sizes (there are rarely small dogs there) dont take it off lead IMO.

hahah I kind of got a little worried/upset/ feel like im over reacting.... i've always been so pleased with his temperament, I guess im dealing with a big boy now! and not a puppy

well, this other dog was snapping at him and Gus stood his ground instead of submitting, he was stamping his paws and making himself look very tall, it was once the oodle lunged forward and the owners tried to get between them that Gus let of a snarl and went foward but I pulled him back, I've never heard him growl at another dog before. I took my eye off them for a second but I think the oodle did snap his ankle and it set him off...... but then the staffy he went to play with was play biting his neck and he didnt do anything but lick her face and play back, the oodle was 9 months.... I'm not sure if he has played with younger dogs before they have always been older I think. I'm going to have to keep him on a long lead for a while until he figures out his place again.

I guess im used to older dogs doing this to him not the other way around!! but thanks back to onlead for a while.

Ow a Dalmatian will win this one for sure!!