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I love you "Princess" Katie but you don't need to stand and bark with your high pitched bark at one of the others because they are in a bed that is identical to one left over for you outside our bedroom door, periodically during the night. Sleep deprivation does not go down well with me.
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Under Cover Pet Shop Assistant On Today Tonight?
m-j replied to Shmurps's topic in General Dog Discussion
While I do see your point of view, if people don't have this option irresponsible people will still give up on the dog with the "hairy bits" maybe not as "humanely" though. In the past dumping dogs and other unwanted pets "out the road" was not all that uncommon. Farmers have to contend with loss of livelihood, with dogs that have gone feral, which have been disposed of in just such a manner (these are the ones that have adapted rather than dying). I believe that people need to be educated before they get their pet, that dogs and other pets can have hairy bits and if you don't think you can deal with them, don't get that pet. -
If your dog enjoys tugging this is a suggestion for a toy that you can make yourself and is very cheap. Get a plastic bottle that has a handle on it, put several holes in it that are just big enough for your kibble to fall through (I use a soldering iron). Attach a short piece of stretchy cord to the handle and also attach a 3-6mm rope (about 1.5-2m) which you put a piece of pvc pipe over and then you attach a tug toy to the other end of the rope. Attach the stretchy cord to a high solid place i.e.pergola or clothes line and then put some kibble in the bottle. You then teach the dog to tug on the toy which makes the bottle bounce around and the kibble will then fall out. Have the bottle far enough out of reach so the dog can't get it. The reason for the pvc pipe is so the dog can't become tangled in the rope when you aren't there to supervise. With very keen enthusiastic dogs the bottle can break but is easy and cheap to replace.
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I think you are right. I'm guessing he is smearing his nose over your hand as he is confused by the duration (which is normal) In a sense he is saying will this bring me a reward?..here?..here maybe? If you determine a spot he will know that this is where I touch.... now why aren't getting a reward? Hopefully then try duration or resort to bumping which is one of the reasons I like using an IB, the problem is establishing one. Kerrie Haines Lovell says it is difficult to get a true duration target with a dog using it's nose, other species are easier. Perhaps getting duration on one of his body targets first may help with the duration concept. cheers M-J
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Giving The Right Amount Of Information
m-j replied to corvus's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
I don't think it can hurt so long as the timing is right. I do this with new rescues coming into the established pack, initially through a fence. I have found it seems to get the message through easier, that just exposure alone and adopting the attitude they are here now get over it. cheers M-J -
Giving The Right Amount Of Information
m-j replied to corvus's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
My favourite is, behaviours that are rewarded, are repeated, goes for both desirable and undesirable behaviours. I find it makes them think more about what they are doing to help the problem. cheers M-J -
Interesting Article: "why I Don't Believe In Clicker Training
m-j replied to koalathebear's topic in General Dog Discussion
Hmm what a strange person. Can't say I agree with him. It is interesting to see how some people actually do think, though My nephews at senior high school age went to a contest in America with the orchestra they played in . They had a wonderful time enlightening the locals (high school students of similar age and older) on the "fact" that when the tide was out you could walk between Sydney and Auckland. :rolleyes: They also told them many other "facts" but that was the only one I remembered. -
This bit from the http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/family...article1704648/ article makes me cringe. I hope he isn't using his dog pack/hierarchy ideas (many of which I don't agree with) I don't see his methods as compassionate or social, more like a dictatorship, which only worked a short time for Hitler and Saddam.
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Another thing I find odd about Cesar is that in the episodes I have seen ( have only one 5 hour tape that I have watched) not once were his dogs pleased to see him. They didn't come up and greet him like dogs do, seemed strange to me. Possibly they could have been avoiding starting a confrontation, but their body language didn't indicate that, it was like he was nothing to them.
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I don't like it because it can be dangerous for the owner. If the dog recognises the handlers body language that leads to a alpha roll they may react then instead of when actually in the process of the alpha roll. It could react to body language which the dog thinks may lead to an alpha roll, if the handler doesn't realise this they could be caught unaware and not ready to protect themself. The same could happen to someone else handling them. When trainers say that it is a dogs way of disciplining each other that isn't correct.
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I was reading somewhere that he has enlisted the help of Ian Dunbar, Bob Bailey two of the names I remember for a book or something??? cheers M-J
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Any Tips For Keeping Attention During Distractions
m-j replied to Rileys mum's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
I wouldn't describe being quiet and obedient while having to suppress an innate response through worry of retribution as tranquility, by any stretch of the imagination. Not from what I have observed/experienced anyway. And they are top level too, from what I have seen. cheers M-J The dog doesn't supress anything in that situation, it simply makes a choice and chooses the most comfortable outcome which is to stay put and is more than happy to comply. Yes it does prey drive is a fixed action pattern. You can't correct hard wiring out of a dog, only suppress it. I would say there would be a great deal of conflict happening. I have heard that explanation given as an excuse for the inability of containing a prey driven animal by command which in reality is untrue. Prey driven animals will loop out often during attempts to suppress the behaviour in an untrained state, but a highly prey driven dog can be trained to sit quietly and mind it's business in the presence of prey quite easily. Of course they can, I'm not disagreeing with you on that one, but I don't believe the dog is tranquil. Outwardly they may appear that way but they loop out because of fear. It's survival, no good concentrating on chasing the rabbit for dinner if a tiger is chasing you for his dinner. I don't believe either the handler or the dog can stop the initial response to the stimuli, only the behaviour. The dog knows if they display the behaviour their brain is telling them to display, they will receive a correction that at best will be unpleasant, pending on how high the dog's drive is. -
Any Tips For Keeping Attention During Distractions
m-j replied to Rileys mum's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
I wouldn't describe being quiet and obedient while having to suppress an innate response through worry of retribution as tranquility, by any stretch of the imagination. Not from what I have observed/experienced anyway. And they are top level too, from what I have seen. cheers M-J The dog doesn't supress anything in that situation, it simply makes a choice and chooses the most comfortable outcome which is to stay put and is more than happy to comply. Yes it does prey drive is a fixed action pattern. You can't correct hard wiring out of a dog, only suppress it. I would say there would be a great deal of conflict happening. -
Any Tips For Keeping Attention During Distractions
m-j replied to Rileys mum's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
I wouldn't describe being quiet and obedient while having to suppress an innate response through worry of retribution as tranquility, by any stretch of the imagination. Not from what I have observed/experienced anyway. And they are top level too, from what I have seen. cheers M-J -
Any Tips For Keeping Attention During Distractions
m-j replied to Rileys mum's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
Who or what is "Estes"? Googled but with a quick look all I could find was chemical companies , rockets, hospitals. I'm guessing they weren't what you were referring to This ought to keep you going for a while: http://suppes-corpus.stanford.edu/techreports/IMSSS_123.pdf Thank you. -
Any Tips For Keeping Attention During Distractions
m-j replied to Rileys mum's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
Who or what is "Estes"? Googled but with a quick look all I could find was chemical companies , rockets, hospitals. I'm guessing they weren't what you were referring to -
Any Tips For Keeping Attention During Distractions
m-j replied to Rileys mum's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
I have seen the reaction you have talked about with dogs to other dogs, but I also seen those dogs jump through a loophole when one presented itself on more than one occasion. I do agree with the over-correction (bearing in mind the dog determines this, not the handler), but to me fallout can be as small as the dog loosing a little bit of enthusiasm or even just a momentary reaction from the dog like it's ears being laid back then returning to a more relaxed position as the situation continues. Just like you can poison a cue I believe you can poison the training concept for the dog, especially if the dog can see, hear or possibly smell a correlation with the handler in the situation of that moment, after even one previous inadvertant over-correction or a suitable correction for another situation. Handler nerves in competition comes to mind. I know I'm being nitpicky but as I said it is something I would prefer to avoid as Greys are pretty soft dogs in a training situation. cheers M-J -
Any Tips For Keeping Attention During Distractions
m-j replied to Rileys mum's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
I'm sorry but I don't agree with the above. It can be amazing what a strong history of reinforcement for a cue can do. The Greys (rescues not my dogs initially)I work with have genetics and several years history of chasing combined with reward and a lack of prepardness to work with humans for me to contend with. If I corrected them when they become distracted by something they find intrinsically rewarding I would have to give a hefty correction to stop their interest. They certainly wouldn't turn back to me and happily comply to a cue. I'm also guessing with some I would probably have fallout somewhere in their training future, something I prefer to avoid. cheers M-J -
I have orered some DVDs from them with no problems, they took about 2 weeks to get here which with our mail delivery is quite quick. cheers M-J
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I would say Greyhounds also. I haven't actually owned at home a puppy under 6mths but at work their way of life seems serious. This could be also because they grow up in a pack which are usually siblings with virtually no interference from humans with their behaviour. They are very competative (which could be due to the age they are while at the kennels) but will work together as a pack when it suits them. The Greys body language is also subtle and subdued, my guys here use their eyes alot, whereas the Kelpie will use her whole body and/or vocalise or maybe that's just because the Greys basically ignore her requests (poor Roxie). Not all are like this but I have found this to be the general rule of thumb.
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I so sorry, my condolences to Vicsta on her loss.
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Please Help With Gsd Aggression.
m-j replied to RockDog's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
;) yes they can be very good at reading us. -
Please Help With Gsd Aggression.
m-j replied to RockDog's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
Just wondering, why would you use this only on a predictable dog? If you know the target that makes the dog react and you know what your dog looks like when calm as opposed to a very subtle change when loading up, couldn't you do this with an unpredictable dog? Unpredictable being a dog that sometimes does and sometimes doesn't as opposed to one that has learned not to give a warning. Having said this I have never seen/handled a dog that hasn't at least had soft eyes go hard before reacting, even though it was done in what seemed like a nanosecond. cheers M-J I was thinking unpredictable as a dog that shows intermittant reaction to a similar stimulus. A dog that is fine most of the time then flies off the handle out of the blue. Predictable I was thinking predictably reactive, flies off at every dog every time it see's one. Hope this makes more sense :rolleyes: Thanks yes it does. So the dog's reaction is intermittant, do you feel that the critical distance training can still be used if the signs the dog is going to react are consistant, although short/subtle, even if the stimulus isn't always blatantly obvious/consistant? I do feel if the dog showed these signs the distance would have been breached, which would be counterproductive to the training. cheers M-J -
Please Help With Gsd Aggression.
m-j replied to RockDog's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
Just wondering, why would you use this only on a predictable dog? If you know the target that makes the dog react and you know what your dog looks like when calm as opposed to a very subtle change when loading up, couldn't you do this with an unpredictable dog? Unpredictable being a dog that sometimes does and sometimes doesn't as opposed to one that has learned not to give a warning. Having said this I have never seen/handled a dog that hasn't at least had soft eyes go hard before reacting, even though it was done in what seemed like a nanosecond. cheers M-J -
Please Help With Gsd Aggression.
m-j replied to RockDog's topic in Training / Obedience / Dog Sports
They don't always win though I know of one trainer who ended up with a short stay in hospital, after a decade and a bit of experience on lots of dogs, large and not so large....oops wrong dog to do that to.