mymatejack

I hope the authorities are doing something about this? Surely this it is illegal to allow animals to be neglected like that?

The council area that i live in makes it illegal for a dog to rush someone, even behind a fence. It is most certainly illegal to have a dog unleashed in the front yard with no fence and i'm pretty sure its illegal to have a dog unleashed in the front yard full stop. I would definately report this person. You are in the right IMO, your dogs were onleash and under control, even if they were barking/growling/lunging. The other dog was not. End of story IMO.

Surely you're not seriously suggesting this dog should never be let off leash outside its property because one of its parents has been involved in some sort of attack??? What do you know of the socialisation and training if the parents? What do you know of the socialisation/training of the dog in question?

there is certainly no ball in the water

if that is the case, i'd like to hear which body language signals say that?

sorry can't work out how to post youtube clips. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzkIdraXsu8&feature=player_embedded interested in the opinions of the experts like telida whippets and co. cheers Edit : well there ya go, i learnt how to post youtube clips on here hahaha

A big stick might stop a small dog but you're likely to simply provoke the situation with a strong aggressive dog. Although it sounds like this particular dog wasn't aggressive, whacking it with a big stick just might change that

how long does it take to pull the trigger?

If that was aimed at me, perhaps you could point out where i said that?

Firstly the officer is armed with a gun. Surely he didn't have to shoot as early as he did? Assuming the brindle dog did pull up short, why couldn't the officer using his gun for protection(or possibly pull out his pepper spray as an extra option/alternative) try and remove the beagle from the situation? As i've said in my previous posts, its impossible to conclusively judge the situation on that footage alone, but based soley on that footage, i would have thought there were other options. p.s if you read through my posts on other threads you will see i have also been critical of a bullbreed(alledged) for ripping a greyhound apart, much to the disgust of some of these other posters who like to talk down their nose at you

The pictures were clear enough. The screen shots were clear enough. If you couldn't make anything out of them that tells us you do not have much experience or skill in analysing dog behaviour. That is ok, but it means your opinion on the incident doesn't matter. You didn't understand what was going on anyway. We do not know what other dog-control options are available to people in New Orleans. I respect people with opinions other than my own if they are put forward with a logical supporting argument. I do not respect the opinion of people that do not understand the subject, but have a go at those that do. I think Telida's posts have been informative, and although she has not changed the opinion of the zealous, she has been able to explain the behaviour to the people that are interested in knowing what it all means before forming an opinion. That is the great thing about these forums, people can be educated, and then use that knowledge to avoid problems. It is not required that they all post here to agree or disagree. People can do their own further research if they feel that they need to verify any of the assessments made here about the dog behaviour. Maybe you can point out exactly which screen shot of that video shows either dog actually attacking please. Not some holier than thou explanation of the dogs body language but an actual attack

Of course I would. My guess is that police announced themselves at the front door and were in the yard when the 'suspect' bolted out the back door. My dogs know all about police dogs - we have had two next door over the years I've lived here. My dogs are amazingly brave and bold toward them from behind the fence. ;) Securing dogs is something I imagine is a pretty standard procedure when searching homes. It's not like they are an unusual feature of suburbia. We've seen a few incidents reported here where police have had issues with dogs though. I think the last Australian one, it was the officer who was on the recieving end of the aggression. If the police had advised the owner that they were moving through their backyard, why were the police so understanding that the dogs were only protecting thier territory? Again, it comes down to information that i'm not aware of although the police officers comments would suggest that maybe the owner didn't know that the police were going through their backyard. All speculation, i'm no offering any comment as to what actually went down, just my take on what i've read in the media reports

Shoot pets?? just 'cause they attacked a police dog..???? hardly justified. Pets don't chose their owners. And yet we've just had people say that any police dog that enters their premises is mincemeat. Are you saying the police shouldn't be able to use a dog as and where they deem necessary because there might be 'pets' on the premises or that they should just stand by and watch their dogs ripped up by resident dogs? Those dogs were secure inside the house until the owner bolted out the back door and the dogs followed. What are the police supposed to do?? Take their chances? It took OC spray and tasers to deal with those two dogs. Well let me ask you a question. If you were at home and you heard people in your backyard and had a couple of dogs that could possibly defend you, would you take them out when going to investigate what was going on? p.s i would't take my dog as he's much to small to take on a human but if i did own a big dog i wouldn't hesitate to have him along side me p.p.s i'm just going on the little i've read, but it sounded to me like the police were going through peoples backyards searching for a suspect(hence the dog being there) so the owner of the dogs probably didn't know who was out there?

Using this chart I have one very angry little girl on my hands :) She regularly barks in an "angry" manner while looking "alert" when she is playing or being cheeky. ;) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk hahahaha yep, my dog gets stressed everytime i scratch him behind the ear. What a load of nonsense! Edit : oh and he relieves stress everytime he gets up from a sleep Clearly the subtleties of canine body language are lost on some. More's the pity. The better you can read it, particularly in unknown dogs, the safer you and your dog are. Seems to me that what this thread is about is a bunch of folk who suggest that because they have a dog of a particular breed, they can tell how all dogs of that breed act. And they can tell it better than anyone else. Maybe the police officer wasn't a bull breed owner. I'm sorry but you surely are a joker aren't you? I do agree that being able to assess doggy body language is a very useful tool, and i can and do monitor the language of any dog that approaches mine(and i can assure you in the real world that canine body language chart is nothing but a joke). Plenty of times i've put Jack back on the lead because i could see the other dog, although not outright aggressive, was, shall we say, posturing(sp?) and i was concerned if i let it go on Jack would not take kindly to a dog trying to dominate him. Seems to me that because you have a small breed of dog you are biased in a big way against any big breed,but particularly bull breeds. You're posts on the thread about the polce dog that got attacked show this clearly - even though the actual police who were there admitted that the dogs were onl defending their territory, you still can't bring yourself to show a non-biased attitude. And even more so, you seem to be putting yourself out there as an expert on dog behaviour(as are a few others) and making ridiculous claims that simply aren't backed up by that footage. Again, from that footage its impossible to be 100% sure of what went down except that there was NO actual attack(shown on the footage). Do i think the tan coloured dog was being dominant and somewhat excited by the beagles carry on, yes, but the footage shows nothing other than the tan dog standng over the beagle. If that dog had meant business you'd have seen it(thats not to say the situation couldn't have escalated). I can't pass judgement(as i said in my original post in this thread) on the police officer, however from that footage i would have thought there was a less extreme solution.

Using this chart I have one very angry little girl on my hands :) She regularly barks in an "angry" manner while looking "alert" when she is playing or being cheeky. ;) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk hahahaha yep, my dog gets stressed everytime i scratch him behind the ear. What a load of nonsense! Edit : oh and he relieves stress everytime he gets up from a sleep

ummm .. who was the victim of violence in that video? Sure we don't know what else happened that wasn't filmed, but the only violence shown in that clip was the officer shooting the dog. I'm not going to cast actual judgement on the situation as i wasn't there and have only that small clip to go on, BUT based on that clip alone, i don't understand why the officer, armed with a gun(and no doubt batton and pepper spray) couldn't attempt to go and retrieve the beagle? Sure if one of the other dogs went him, he'd have no option that to shoot, but it certainly didn't look to me that he had no other options - again, i'm not passing actual judgement on his actions, just judgement based on what that clip showed

i like kids, but i don't want any of my own .... i'm quite happy to enjoy the good parts and then leave them to scream and carry on to someone else

so what happens when you're walking down the street with your aggressive dog and a kid on their way home from school(without a parent) decides they want to say hello? Sorry, but it is up to the dog owner to be responsible and know their dog and control it accordingly IMO.

And I'm sick of people making excuses for their childrens and their own bad behaviour and lack of manners. Just because a dog is out in public does not give another person the right to touch it. None of my Samoyeds are aggressive but if I don't want someone touching them it's my right to say no and excpet people to listen. ever known or tried to control an autistic child? not that it is important whether the child was disabled or not, if your dog is so aggressive that you can't control the situation when a child comes up to it, then your dog needs to be muzzled in public. and just for the record, i'm 100% opposed to BSL, i love APBT's, i own an SBT (and i'm more than happy for anyone to come up to my dog and say hello)

if your dog is aggressive IT IS YOUR responsibility to stop it attacking anyone or anything. I'm so sick of reading people who suggest it is the responsibility of others to keep their dogs(or in this case child) away from your dogs in a public area, even worse if its an offlead area. Start taking responsibility for your lack of training and socialisation and keep others safe.

wow, i've just watched the video clip of the dogs playing and i'm dumbfounded by the "experts" in this thread suggesting that "the big brown dog" was threatening in anyway. He/she was just wanting in on the game imo, there was zero signs of aggression that i saw

This keyboard warrior doesn't and has freely admitted so. As such, my dog doesn't get the opportunity to be off leash at the beach. Going back to something you said earlier, why should someone have to stop at the entrance to an offleash area and wait for you to leash/control your dog? I don't really mean that but that is exactly the holier than thou attitude that a lot of people on this thread are coming out with, and that was the point of my post(i.e not an attack on you directly) p.s where i live there are no fenced in off leash area's that i'm aware of - not that i'd take my dog to one of them anyways

What i really wonder is how many of the keyboard warriors here would actually have proper control of their own dogs?

Off leash areas are for everyone and if you can't stop your dog racing up to another dog then don't let it off leash. What if you are walking your dog calmly by your side, a dog who is not known for launching attacks on other dogs, when another off leash dog comes barrelling up to your dog and barking and carrying on in its face? Many, many dogs who are not DA would react badly to that and at the very least tell the dog off with a snap and snarl, which could start an all out fight. Is it wise to walk in to a crowded off leash dog park with a reactive dog? No, not particularly. Should you be able to walk your dog on the beach without expecting to be rushed by other dogs? Absolutely. I do have control of my dog, i'm just saying that 95%, probably realistically 99%, of dog owners don't. Lots of times i have stupid little yappy things run at jack barking and carrying on, no i don't like it, but thats life. If I had any worries that jack would launch an attack on them, i wouldn't have him at an offleash park! I've seen lots of muppets with aggressive dogs who come to the beach, but one memorable one was a MASSIVE american bulldog(i've seen plenty of AB's but nothing like this thing). He was being walked on a choker chain, his big tough owner leaning back against the dog pulling, this dogs(and i meen literally) eyes were popping out of its head wanting to get at any dog insight ... sure enough some little yappy thing ran up to this dog and got munched. Should the little yappy thing have run up to the other dog, probably not, but thats the reality of offleash areas. I still remember thinking, if that leash breaks there's going to be a big problem! p.s if you think your dog might react badly to some dog simply running up and barking at it, maybe you need to reconsider how you train/socialise your dog!!!

I for one think that any dog that is either dog aggressive or lead aggressive should not be walked in an offlead area. Although lots of people here want to get on their high horses and talk about the owner of the off lead dog as not having proper control, the reality is that probably 95% of the owners i see at the beach each day do not have proper control of their dog. If your dog is aggressive take it somewhere else! Just a little clarification to the above, i see a lady most days at the beach who tells me her dog is very lead reactive .... she ensures that the moment she gets to the offlead area she lets her dog off the lead. Also i'm assuming that the OP was in an offlead area.