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Thanks for all your advice guys. He hasn't had an episode in nearly 2 weeks now so we will continue with the lower protein diet and try to reduce his growth rate.

He is constantly growing and I have noticed over the last few weeks he seems to have grown quite a lot in length. We have to adjust his harness every two weeks to accommodate the growth. It is hard to see really when we are looking at him every day but people do comment how much he is growing. Hoping this is just growing pains. I'll bring this up with my vet next appointment. Maybe we will xray those hips to be sure. Our vet does acupuncture so we'll discuss everything next time. Thank you so much for sharing. Thanks Nehk. I'll get onto the VAN Booster straight away. He was only on NSAIDs for the first week and we all agreed they were doing him no good but possibly just masking his pain. Veggies sound like a good idea. I'll ditch the Advance, was just trying to add a bit more for balance. I'll re-do my learning Thank you! I just want to clarify, our two other large/giant dogs were raised on this same diet and they have had no health or growth dramas whatsoever. They only get the brisket and lamb head once a week to chew on.

Hi boxer, does my boy's episodes sound like your boy with the crying and shaking? How did they make the diagnosis? Just rule out other possibilities? I suspect our next vet visit will result in a specialist referral. I do hope it is Pano rather than anything more serious. Thank you.

Our rescue pup Kane is about 6 months old now. He was rescued from the street, owners let him roam and he was scavenging for food to survive. He was not getting any food at home. He weighed 10kgs at about 3 months old, he was skin and bone. He doubled his weight with us to 20kgs in six weeks. He is now 27kgs and still growing slowly. He looks to be a Wolfhound x Bull Terrier. Kane is fed a diet of chicken wings, ox heart and lamb hearts (fat removed), lambs heads, brisket bones, sardines, eggs and Advance large puppy. The kibble makes up a small percentage of this diet, I feed it to ensure he is getting a complete diet. Due to his early life circumstances, it is possible we have overfed him hence grown too quickly however he is not a chubby dog, he is very lean. He is a lanky pup and has always had a funny gait. He looks like his mother could have been a goat. He's a very strange looking dog with with an unco body and he is all legs. About 4 weeks ago, Kane started having a problem with his right shoulder. At first we thought he had bumped it playing roughly with our other dogs, bumped into a doorway or maybe just slept on it funny. He was having these funny pain episodes where he would suddenly start crying out in pain, shaking, panting, and favour the right leg. The whimpering and shaking would last up to 30 minutes then he would return to normal. This happened three days in a row. We didn't see what set him off, just heard the commotion and went to investigate. The next time it happened, he had just come into bed with me, snuggled down under the covers and going to sleep. He was not moving at all, I didn't bump or move him, he just cried out in pain, got out of the bed and limped away, shaking and crying. I took him to our vet straight away. By the time we got there, he was over the episode. The vet checked him from the paws up, manipulating the joints to try and get a reaction. Kane reacted strongly when his shoulder was brought forward. On subsequent visits, the vet has not been able to recreate the pain reaction. At first it was treated as a sports injury from possible rough play. He was given NSAIDs for the week and strict rest. I kept him away from the other dogs when they were running and playing and he did not get taken for any walks. I had him sleeping in the spare room with me so he couldn't romp around with the others in the night. Despite the meds and rest, he continued to have these episodes once a day, every day for the week. I have not been able to find a patten with time, activity etc. He will be laying down, doing nothing then suddenly go into the crying, shaking, panting, walking around limping. He holds the leg out from his body to the side, not forward or under. It never lasts more than 30 minutes. Back to the vet, we had xrays taken of the shoulder and elbow for suspected OCD (osteochondritis dissecans). The xray was sent to a specialist for another opinion and both vets believe the humeral head and surrounds look perfectly fine. There were some unclear lines at the elbow but the specialist said this is to be expected in a young, growing large breed dog. Our vet also suggested nerve entrapment but we cannot tell without laparoscopic exploration. Kane was then put on 20mg of Macrolone for seven days, then two days off with strict rest. The following week saw less episodes but it was still occurring sporadically. We have never seen it happen more than once a day. The longest we have gone without an episode (or perhaps we missed it) was six days. We were back at the vet again when the medication ran out. The vet manipulated the shoulder again but was not able to get any negative response. He suggested we try upping the medication slightly as it appears the episodes are dropping away slowly. Kane is now having 30mg Macrolone. It has been 6 days on the higher dose and he is still having these pain episodes. Today he had one at Kepala. He was laying on the ground in the shade resting, suddenly jumped up crying and whining, limping on the leg then settled back down. Probably totally unrelated, a few weeks before this started, he was rushed by a large dog at the park and knocked over and pinned. He cried and limped (back right leg) and we got him to the vet. He was quite aggressive when touched on either of the back legs although he was only favouring the right. Xrays showed no problems. The next day he was 100% recovered. Has anyone encountered anything like this? Sporadic pain without an obvious trigger? Something a DOLer suggested to me was Panosteitis. I'll be taking any suggestions to my vet in one weeks time. We don't want to have to open him up if we don't have to but we really want to get to the bottom of it. It's breaking my heart seeing the little guy crying and shaking in pain even though it is fairly short lived. We want to get this fixed now before it becomes worse. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. We are open to any sort of treatments, just want to know why it is happening first. Our vet does do acupuncture. Kane is the smaller dog sitting on the new grass (which they have since destroyed)

YAY! Bronson will be stoked his boyfriend is coming along. And I looove your potato salad

Arrow will be fine. Generally everyone is desexed and any girls on heat wouldn't be coming. There will be pugs to bull arabs so lots of sizes and ages to play with. Vegans are not welcome Emma :laugh:

List of dogs Snout Girl- Bert, Sally, Bruce and Poppy (and an OH) deadsheep and OH - Bronson, Cassie, Kane List of food Snout Girl- Something vego, meatballs, tomato sauce deadsheep - soft drink, chicken skewers

That's horrible Steph. So sorry to hear

List of Dogs Snout Girl- Bert, Sally, Bruce and Poppy Steph M - Gus and Rosie pip 1981- Dakota (and human baby Elliot- maybe Daddy Ed and big brother Jeremy) Terri - Didi deadsheep - Kane and Hannibal Malcolmus - Shakur + Soka Catherine- Oscar Jo's friend Sarah- Amber List of Food Snout Girl- something vego for bbq, meatballs, pasta salad Steph M - Potato Salad and Sausages. pip1981- crunchy noodle salad, soft drink (I can bring my supplies bag if that helps SG?) Terri - Bread + something of the cake/slice/sweet variety deadsheep - chicken skewers for bbq Malcolmus - bread/rolls/marg Catherine- ???? Sarah- TBA I'm just bringing Kane and Hannibal this time.See you there!

List of Dogs Snout Girl- Bert, Sally, Bruce and Poppy Steph M - Gus and Rosie pip 1981- Dakota (and human baby Elliot- maybe Daddy Ed and big brother Jeremy) Leah82 - Collie and Sarah Terri - Didi deadsheep - Bronson, Cassie, Kane and maybe Hannibal List of Food Snout Girl- something vego for bbq, meatballs, pasta salad Steph M - Potato Salad and Sausages. pip1981- crunchy noodle salad, soft drink (I can bring my supplies bag if that helps SG?) Leah - Soft Drink in the car fridge Terri - Bread + something of the cake/slice/sweet variety deadsheep - chicken skewers for bbq

I think loaf is fine Terri.

Hey Terri, looks like we still need bread. I'll bring some soft drink too.

DS - Bronson, Cassie, Dolly plus 1 idiot DS - snags, potato salad

Nice work Jo. See you at the next one!