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I believe they are researching a vacc for this said cancer in the GSD now. Who knows if they will ever actually find a cure, i sure as hell hope they do. But vet told me it is so common in the GSD that 1 out of 2 dogs will die from it When my girl died, my vet said in 9 mths 6 GSD's died of the same common cancer the youngest only 5 yrs old and it could take 20 yrs to find the gene responsible. Does the breeder tell you that for your $1500 your dog might not live past 5 yrs of age because of Hemangiosarcoma, hell no. Breeders say they health test all their stock, but how do you test for this cancer as there are no tests. Hell there are no symptoms until it's too late. In 2004 I paid very little money for a Rottie I got from a shelter, we still have her and she is healthy she out lived my beautiful GSD as this cancer doesn't occur in Rotties - thank God. Again im so very sorry abt your girl. As you know, i know the pain of losing these precious babies to Hemangisarcoma all too well. My girl i lost last yr was almost 13, but still too young for me I understand what you are saying, you can health test till the cows come home but until you know what you are looking for it won't make much differnce anyway. In over 30yrs of GSD ownership we have never had hip/elbow probs, even at 12yrs old chiro said my old girl was still built like an ox :D It was the bloody cancer that got her

Tell her there is a very real risk that the bitch could die as well as the litter. She obv has no experience at all and even seasoned pro's sometimes have their hearts broken when a bitch or the litter don't make it. That is assuming she actually loves this dog and doesn't just see it as a money making breeding machine.

I believe they are researching a vacc for this said cancer in the GSD now. Who knows if they will ever actually find a cure, i sure as hell hope they do. But vet told me it is so common in the GSD that 1 out of 2 dogs will die from it

I will PM you, off topic in this thread.

I never expected to see such a controversial statement on this board. However, you express my views perfectly. Yes +1! You have my breed down pat as far as i am concerned :laugh: Apart from a few select breeders who dare to stay true to the standard the only place you find a decent dog these days is "byb". Its funny the range of practices here that are considered byb. So you can health test, be registered with ANKC but if the litter aint reg you are still a byb? :laugh: I would take that any day over all these puppy farms that are being discovered First "byb good for nothing mongrel" shepherd died of old age at 15. Damn her non registered breeders for selling us a healthy and long lived family member :rolleyes: However, in saying all that, i think saying i won't help as they are a byb is the wrong attitude. Education is the key and i hope there is someone she knows who can inform her of the costs and the hard work both her and the bitch will have to go through, as well as the potential to lose the litter as well as the bitch if things go wrong. A risk all breeders take. Hopefully if she sees things in perspective she might think twice in the future. Though it is likely she will not. Really!! You have been to every GSD breeder in Australia and evaluated their dogs? Get over yourself. If you read what i said, there are a few good ones still out there. You have your opinion on what is a good dog and i have mine, end of story, i am not going to have an online debate over a topic that has been done to death, its off the topic for this thread anyway, i was simply stating why i agreed with Sandgrubber.Thanks for your advice btw, i will surely take note ;)

I never expected to see such a controversial statement on this board. However, you express my views perfectly. Yes +1! You have my breed down pat as far as i am concerned :laugh: Apart from a few select breeders who dare to stay true to the standard the only place you find a decent dog these days is "byb". Its funny the range of practices here that are considered byb. So you can health test, be registered with ANKC but if the litter aint reg you are still a byb? :laugh: I would take that any day over all these puppy farms that are being discovered First "byb good for nothing mongrel" shepherd died of old age at 15. Damn her non registered breeders for selling us a healthy and long lived family member :rolleyes: I really don't understand this point of view. The problem is that there are not just "a few" people doing this. It is rife. The fact is BYB will never stop. I don't think anyone disputes that but make it more socially unacceptable and minimise it as much as possible. I only have mutts, probably always will but I sure as hell would not be lining the pockets of a BYB or puppy farm for them and I certainly don't think anyone should be worried about a shortage of BYB mutts anytime soon. I agree, there are alot of byb, i only know a handful of doggy friends who have actually bought from registered breeders. The rest have been purchased from the pound or unregisetered, hence byb dogs. I guess for me personally, it is more the fact that i have had bad experiences with club with my breed and don't agree with what most reg breeders in my breed are doing. hence i find a breeder who still does health tests ect but does not show hence they are unregisted. This is how i find a dog that i believe is true to my breed. You see the thing is, i think public perception must change for byb to be seen by many as socially unacceptable. The attitude of most ppl i know is that pedigree dogs are overpriced and when you only want the dog as a family pet and not showing/breeding then the papers are not worth much to these ppl. I think it is also still a common point of view(dispite the good efforts of breeders) that the more pedigreed a dog is the more health problems they may have. So when they can pay in some cases $1000 dollars less they will, as many simply cannot afford 1500+ for the breed they want. I am not saying this is personally what i think, it is the thinking tho of my little group at our daily hangout :laugh: Just curious, if you have mutts where did they come from? The pound? Where did they come from before that? Most reg breeders will not breed mutts. Edit: To say, very sorry, thought you were replying to me. So sorry if you were not as you got my opinion instead :laugh:

I never expected to see such a controversial statement on this board. However, you express my views perfectly. Yes +1! You have my breed down pat as far as i am concerned :laugh: Apart from a few select breeders who dare to stay true to the standard the only place you find a decent dog these days is "byb". Its funny the range of practices here that are considered byb. So you can health test, be registered with ANKC but if the litter aint reg you are still a byb? :laugh: I would take that any day over all these puppy farms that are being discovered First "byb good for nothing mongrel" shepherd died of old age at 15. Damn her non registered breeders for selling us a healthy and long lived family member :rolleyes: However, in saying all that, i think saying i won't help as they are a byb is the wrong attitude. Education is the key and i hope there is someone she knows who can inform her of the costs and the hard work both her and the bitch will have to go through, as well as the potential to lose the litter as well as the bitch if things go wrong. A risk all breeders take. Hopefully if she sees things in perspective she might think twice in the future. Though it is likely she will not.

awww go on, get another GSD! You know you want to really... :laugh: :D I would think the Mastiff would be fine with your Cocker ect, to me its all abt how you raise a dog. But hopefully some breed expert here will be able to give you some good info :) Good luck :)

What a great dog. Your Dad was pretty cool too as way back when not many men would put up with being growled at by their own dog. I would never tolerate my dogs growling at me either and i'm 26 haha Mind you they never have and i would never give them reason to :) But yes well done Kelpie :D

You do get some dogs with a natural ability for the job - but I would say taking an untrained dog with you on night shift is a little stupid too. Untrained doesnt necessarily mean wont work under pressure, but they're lucky that dog didnt turn around and bite them or severely maul the intruder. There is a massive element of risk in an untested dog and especially an aggressive one. I meant dogs in general, unless you have had them professionally trained there will be no guarantee that the dog will actually do what many people have this romantic notion of them going. Most modern breeds and lines have little protection in them, they will bark but that is an alert dog. More 'OMG WAKE UP! Go deal with that for me will you' type animal :laugh: This dog is fine with the owners and people the dog knew well, but what I meant was he is an aggressive dog towards strangers period, like you know the dog is aggressive, he's not a placid friendly dog that you may hope will protect if need be and is otherwise docile, he is full on aggressive all the time, I have seen him in the owners car going ape at the window at a stranger, I know they walk him wearing a muzzle just in case?. He's black with tan legs and came from working lines, he's not the average GSD to look at, perhaps his pedigree is more protection orientated I was thinking over a family pet type? He sounds like a bi-colour GSD :) And yep working lines are VERY different from from the show lines, but you do hear of working being good family pets :)

Yes because heaps of posters that replied to the newbie were so friendly and understanding towards someone who is new to the world of breeding and showing and how it works ;) She stated she was confused and didn't understand the offer being put to her, i hardly think that is breeder bashing :) If i were the OP i would be walking away with a very bitter taste in my mouth.

You what? That seems a vast generalisation. Many coats on dogs have evolved as insulation against heat as well as cold, comments like this seem a little ignorant and potentially damaging to a breed's reputation. Plenty of coated breeds live and work successfully in hot climates without being "disabled". Well woopie dah for your dobie x! Also referring to GSDs as 'those things' is pretty offensive! There are just as many ppl out and abt who don't like dobes! (me not included). My dogs have the english style shepherd coat so no they don't walk at 11am in 35 degree heat, yet neither do I, plain stupid unless you and the dog absolutely have to! As ppl have said dogs evolved in places often quite different to where ppl keep them today, dogs with erect ears that can work, you want to pick on Huskies or Mals next? :rolleyes: I wasn't picking on any dogs. People were trying to say that you had a lot of choice if you wanted a dog with erect ears. I am arguing that I don't feel that's the case. I simply said a GSD wouldn't suit me - where I live heat tolerance is much more important than cold and my dogs sleep inside at night. If I moved to the snow, I would happily own a GSD. They are my second favourite breed of dog. Just right now and where I live, a dog with a short coat is going to be much more comfortable, and better able to accompany me when I exercise on days when the temperature is too hot really for a GSD to be outside, much less exercising. We are a very active family and I would hate to have to leave my dog at home. There are no breeds that I know of that have the working ability of the GSD, erect ears and a short coat. So if I could, I would have cropped my dog's ears - as the founder of the breed intended. Of course I'm happy with my dog anyway, I just think dogs in general (like all wild carnivores) are better with erect ears. What abt a Cattle dog or Kelpie then? :) My shepherds are the old style german sheps so they have the nice fluffy style coats. Great for winter, but early and/or late walks in summer. A general aussie working dog that is used to working in the aussie sun may be a good choice :)

This is a MASSIVE assumption. The person who surrendered the dog may have handed over the papers. This breeder could have died, had a serious health issue, moved away, changed contact details and not been contacted and advised that the dog was in a pound etc etc. Fair enough, but that was not the only dog who was there with their papers ect, they can't ALL have died, had health issues ect, and even if this was the case, if it was one of the pups i bred i would still leave details to forward to another responsible person so none of my pups ended up with this fate. I just personally think many breeders want to offlay all the blame on so called byb when they can just as easily contribute to the overpopulation of dogs further down the line (as i also stated in a previous post). The mentality in this post quite honestly is shocking. There is a way of getting a message across... After this response the OP may be more likely to go to a byb for dogs and advice given the response by registered breeders here While there are many good rescue organisations/pounds etc that will work with breeders and breed rescue etc, unfortunately some rescues ect also refuse to let the breeder have the dog back, even if they beg and the only person a council pound will often contact is the council licenced (legal) owner (and if the owner is the one doing the surrendering, they are under no legal obligation to contact anyone and often wont). Yes, not all registered breeders are created equal, but you are jumping to some pretty big conclusions it seems without having all the facts. Well there was more then one on there that stated they had their papers, site was Pet Rescue, if they don't allow breeders to have have their dogs back then yes thats awful, i would much rather rehome one of my own dogs then any resuce simply because it was one of my dogs, but if they do allow breeders to collect, then i still have my own personal opinion on the matter :) The point i was making is that most ppl here just want to blame byb for the overpopulation and blantantly refuse to accept that there are still quite a few 'registered breeders' who contribute to the problem also. And no i am not a byb lol

Great pics :laugh:

Go back and read this thread from start to finish and then see what little knowledge you have contributed to this thread. Then tell me who,s the troll? :laugh:

Thea: Hey Troyboy, would you worry abt this..... Troy: Ahhh not looking! Thea: Please, just quickly? Troy: NO i refuse! :laugh:

This is a MASSIVE assumption. The person who surrendered the dog may have handed over the papers. This breeder could have died, had a serious health issue, moved away, changed contact details and not been contacted and advised that the dog was in a pound etc etc. Fair enough, but that was not the only dog who was there with their papers ect, they can't ALL have died, had health issues ect, and even if this was the case, if it was one of the pups i bred i would still leave details to forward to another responsible person so none of my pups ended up with this fate. I just personally think many breeders want to offlay all the blame on so called byb when they can just as easily contribute to the overpopulation of dogs further down the line (as i also stated in a previous post). The mentality in this post quite honestly is shocking. There is a way of getting a message across... After this response the OP may be more likely to go to a byb for dogs and advice given the response by registered breeders here

I very much agree FlyingFurball To the OP i guess you know now that a forum like this was the wrong place to ask such a question. I went and had a look at the staffy pup page here and many breeders are offerning their pups on either limited or main register and some are only offering them on the main register. Out of interest i looked at other puppy breed pages and many breeds are the same. I am not advising you or telling you to look elsewhere, but obviously there are breeders who sell their pups on main reg without question (anyone can lie through their back teeth to get a pup). Therefore in light of this, unless every registered breeder only sells on the limited register except to ppl who want to show and responsibly breed ect, they can also be the ones whose dogs descendants end up in the pound as they sold their dogs to ppl on the main register who "just wanted one litter". Im sure this is going to be a very unpopular post, and no im not saying all the breeders who post here do this, but it only takes one look across the puppy breed board here to see many breeders who are registered with DOL who do.

Kavik, your friend has beautiful dogs!! Stunning pups too

You what? That seems a vast generalisation. Many coats on dogs have evolved as insulation against heat as well as cold, comments like this seem a little ignorant and potentially damaging to a breed's reputation. Plenty of coated breeds live and work successfully in hot climates without being "disabled". Well woopie dah for your dobie x! Also referring to GSDs as 'those things' is pretty offensive! There are just as many ppl out and abt who don't like dobes! (me not included). My dogs have the english style shepherd coat so no they don't walk at 11am in 35 degree heat, yet neither do I, plain stupid unless you and the dog absolutely have to! As ppl have said dogs evolved in places often quite different to where ppl keep them today, dogs with erect ears that can work, you want to pick on Huskies or Mals next? :rolleyes:

I am not 'having a go' with this comment as it is true, but i was looking at a rescue site the other day and there was a dog in the pound on death row and they even stated what his kennel name was on his papers that they had! This 'ethical' registed breeder obviously just didn't give a s^&t that one of her pups was going to die in a pound Being a country person i am sick of ppl just assuming what they percieve as byb as the only ppl who allow this to happen. I know many ppl who bred their working dogs purely for that sake and made sure they knew where their pups were going and how they were going to be treated. Just because they are not registered or show dogs doesn't make these ppl automatically bad.

Sounds like she needs to be rescued a second time - have you told him that method went out with the dark ages? He is such an arrogant so and so, he doesn't listen, he has even asked me for advice before and then doesn't take any notice of what i say anyway. This is their first dog and they just have no idea at all. The foster home they got her from told them to take her obedience training and they haven't. Pretty sure they have no intention of it either He asked how to clip her nails so i explained it to him. He came and saw me over the fence later that day and he was like oh oops i should of stopped clipping where you told me, blood everywhere They then didnt connect why she didnt want to go for a walk the following morning either. I could go on and on abt this bloke but just ugh, shouldn't own a dog... Sorry to take your post off track Roova, hope you find a method that works for you :)

I agree with the crate training and/or leash :) Just don't do what my stupid neighbour does with their 8mnth old rescue dog and rub her nose in it day after day and get pissed that "the stupid dog still doesn't get it". I am sure you have never done that Roova :) He is so mean to that poor dog

I think the best thing to do, esp in this thread is to just stop rising to Mace's baits and ignore? All mighty will never see two sides to the story. OP I hope your friend is recovering ok and has now reported the incident.

What's wrong with taking the intitative and keeping out of a strange dog's leash space to avoid these situations when this thread in it's self confirms that you can't trust people to control their dogs properly. There is nothing wrong with that at all, its the way you are wording you posts, esp the first few. I think a little compassion can go a long way, esp when it was not the woman's fault, you shouldn't have to go out on the road to avoid dogs, owners should have them under control (of course they don't always but in a perfect world...) Like Donatella said most ppl do move out of the way of passing dogs, but things are not always as black and white as you seem to think.