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I'll leave you witch hunters to do your work... People that are so quick to condemn disgust me. I believe RSPCA's charges are most probably trumped up charges... I firmly believe they have an agenda. I am not defending if FOUND guilty. I am stating she has a right to the presumption of innocence. Lola appears to have MORE supporting her than there are detractors like you here. That say's a lot to me. Good luck with your witch hunt.

Sorry but when you are in rescue you are expected to vet check each animal that comes in. Each animal needs to be vaccinated if the state of vaccination is unknown, each animal needs to be spayed or neutered before adoption and each animal needs to be chipped and registered if they are not already chipped. These things don't come cheap. Then on top of that, animals need to be kept free of parasites and if they come in with infestations they need to be treated. Same goes for any conditions. Since these are largely unwanted/unclaimed animals from pounds you would assume they have various issues that their owners have not tended to. I cannot see how you can compare rescue dogs and cats to a privately owned pet? I realize you are a professional and many on this forum seem to hold you in high regard and are quick to recommend you, so I am a little dismayed at the way you seem to be happy to excuse every shortcoming that is brought up. It was said that conditions were made previously, so the shelter did not pass all inspections with flying colours. Lola was told to reduce her numbers as well from what I have read. I also disagree with the actions of the RSPCA in seizing dogs and not allowing another vet to view them or conduct an autopsy to prove or disprove their conditions. I also don't believe that cat flu is a good reason for euthing that kitten on arrival and I do believe that this may be standard procedure for some RSPCA shelters. However, if those dogs really did have untreated conditions and were suffering due to lack of treatment then that is in fact cruelty. It does not matter whether it was cruelty committed in the name of rescue or in the name of making money by mass producing puppies. Suffering is suffering is suffering. I agree that the RSPCA have not gone about this in the best manner but that does not mean that the complaints made should not be investigated properly. I respect your response.. However Moorook doesn't have 120 dogs going to their shelter a month. Maintaining an flea treatment and internal parasite treatment can be done very cheaply, if you know how to go about it. They may use Ivamec, I am not sure, for all internal parasites. De-fleaing only needs to done if an out break occurs. With the correct preventive measures this shouldn't be such a big issue. I am not the only professional dog trainer/behaviourist in SA that is disgusted with the way all this has been handled. As I said I believe its a witch hunt, and it is wrong. This could have all been done in a more humane and friendly way.. But RSPCA are too power hungry, and in my opinion over step the mark when it suits them.. In most cases you can't even get them out to take a sick or injured animal. And if they do, there is more than a 50% chance it will be killed anyway.

It's a sad situation for sure... Lola has her supporters and her detractors.. But then doesn't everybody, every business, and every organisation? Was/is Moorook untidy? For sure, I'd be the first to agree. Is it in need of repairs, yes definitely. Is it so bad that dogs shouldn't be there? I have seen nothing to convince me that conditions are so bad that it should be closed down. I am sure if RSPCA had any proof of this they would have thrown the book at Lola, and instantly taken ALL the animals. Instead all they have virtually said, is clean the place up. They took 8 dogs and a cat. Four of those animals were killed, after 'apparently' being seen by an independent Vet. We all know how quick RSPCA are to kill an animal, for reasons that make you shake your head in disbelief. When RSPCA seize an animal, why doesn't the person or organisation the animal was seized from have any rights to also have an independent Vet examination? RSPCA are a law unto themselves. In the case of Moorook, they (the RSPCA) have destroyed the evidence, and expect everyone to believe a Vet that is of course on the RSPCA's books.. whom also is involved in contributing to their extremely high kill rates. If conditions were so bad at Moorook, why did the council continually dump dogs and cats on her door step? Why did RSPCA pass Moorooks inspection late last year, and with all the dogs and cats there? You detractors of her, are you trying to convince me things just all of a sudden fell apart in the past 6 months? I find that very difficult to believe. We should be very careful about taking the word of a disgruntled former employee or volunteer, without direct evidence, to support their claims. I see many volunteers praising the work of Lola. Why should 'A' disgruntled former volunteers word be taken over other volunteers that state differently? I have spoken to dog owners that have rehomed dogs from Moorook, and were very happy. I have spoken to a well respected dog trainer in SA, that spends time at Moorook training dogs and modifying unwanted behaviours. I tend to believe them than the ravings of people that obviously have an axe to grind. Some people just seem to find pleasure in putting others down, just because the person doesn't come up to their own ideals of what is right! In regards to spending $4,000 a month on Vet bills. If that seems small, as a previous poster suggested. How many times a year does she take her dog to a Vet? I know in my case, my dog hasn't been taken to a vet for over 7 years, except for a 3 yearly vaccination. So the suggestion you need to spend more than $33 per dog on average is totally flawed and laughable. In regards to cats roaming loose. I mean come on now, did we see hundreds? No, we saw a few cats! And what better way to keep vermin away like mice and rats? This has all turned into a witch hunt, and it disgusts me. I see nothing to suggest that Lola should be charged for cruelty. That I hope will be proven in a court of law.. But RSPCA are very smart here.. First destroy the evidence, then charge her! Any other court of law, if a police officer did that, it would be thrown out of court! I would be the first to condemn Lola if I thought she was genuinely being cruel to animals. But for a lady that has dedicated her life to saving animals, and finding them homes, I applaud her. Almost 3,000 dogs have homes now because of her. RSPCA could never claim her success rate with re-homing. I am not going to get drawn into arguments about Mark Aldridge. He has his agenda for sure. However I believe he is a genuine animal lover. I think people need to take a good look at themselves before throwing such nasty stones.. I see many more people praising the work of Lola, than condemning her.. That says a lot to me. Is she perfect, as many of you seem to feel she should be? Of course not! However she has a good heart and is doing her best with the minimum amount of support she gets. I personally take my hat off to her, at least until I see evidence for myself that she is cruel and inhumane to animals.....

For those that didn't see the TT expose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uy-RqlQ3ots

Just because you have a vendetta against Mark, don't drag me into it. I don't even personally know the guy I happen to not agree with a lot of what you are saying.. and no arguing back and forth is going to change that for either of us.... Have a good day :)

Thats all you can do is talk about Mark.. I think this goes a lot deeper with you than just Moorook :)

I have seen them all.. and the TT expose.... I said no they are not high class kennels, yes pretty run down.. No doubt.

As I said you are entitled to your opinion.. I beg to differ... We could go on an on.. I listen to people that I know, my clients and another professional. I do not know Mark.. I only found out about him, because I was disgusted in the way RSPCA handled this, and by their (in my opinion) corrupt and underhanded activities. I was posting about this way before I even knew Mark existed..... As I said, the truth will come out soon :)

Where did I admit, that I only know about the situation from what Mark has said? I have clients that obtained their dog from Moorook.. Many infact. I also have confidentiality concerns too.. But I may know a lot more than you realise. Where did I say things were 'perfect' at Moorook? Why did Moorook pass EVERY inspection, until this year? Even with the amount of dogs Lola had in, RSPCA passed her inspections, and council kept handing dogs to her? Tell me its not true that late last year Council approached RSPCA to open a shelter in the Riverland? So NOW its a big deal? If the claims of cruelty are proven, which I don't believe they will be, then yes she should be charged. As anyone that is cruel to an animal. RSPCA are pretty fast too destroy evidence. Also to suggest that RSPCA don't go to court without all the facts in their favour. I can give you numerous examples where they have lost court cases. I can't believe you are comparing a no-kill shelter to a puppy farm! She has her supporters, and yes I am one of them. Everyone has a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Just because a few (maybe even many) disgruntled people are against her, doesn't make her an evil person... She has her supporters too. We will see what transpires.. As I said I know of many, many dog owners that have spoken highly about Moorook. Even a well regarded professional dog trainer in Adelaide, that helps rehabilitate dogs out there. I trust these peoples judgement. Not the ravings of people upset because the kennels aren't some high class establishment. We wil lsee what happens on the 24th..... If dogs are shoved into inadequate enclosures and there are too many for the people on site to care for you better believe I will compare those conditions. How is it any different, because she has a different name, no kill instead of puppy farmer. Can you give me a daily timetable of how one woman would manage to look after 120 animals? You might think it's perfectly fine to keep dogs locked into small cages in their own filth, have dirty water and chocolate milk and vermin exposed food to eat but some of us think dogs deserve better than that. Not to mention there is no way she could have given those dogs sufficient attention each day. Some of those poor dogs are so aggressive they won't be rehomed, she does rehome some aggressive ones though, so they live in shit conditions till they die. How awesome for them. What about the cats, living loose, no protection from feral cats, disease and being run over. Can you justify that? As for your clients supporting her, how many got their dogs delivered and have never seen the place? She doesn't let many people in because too many make rspca complaints so they can buy a dog sight unseen and it gets delivered. Great rehoming system there. It is very difficult to get a cruelty conviction charge to stick so I understand why they don't seize unless they are confident they will get a conviction. It is also difficult to deal with situations like Mark created so maybe they didn't act until they knew they had enough irrefutable evidence. I'm shocked someone in your position supports hoarding, especially when you admit all your information is second hand. She has said she won't cap her numbers to what she can manage, so do you think everyone should take on more animals than they can manage or only the people that you can use to point score against the rspca. I see your views as nothing but exaggerations.. But each too their own :)

I guess like anything.. our experience is coloured by our beliefs.. I found it to be honest and open. I believe it doesn't show RSPCA in a very good light.. I also believe it shows that Moorook are doing the best they can with the lack of funding and resources they have...

A valid question I never considered it until someone on FB had a go at me for critising their high kill rate. As you know, I do not support or subscribe too purely positive training methods. RSPCA only use the services of Delta trained 'behaviourists'. I knew they wouldn't take up my offer, as for many years I have spoken out against the RSPCA and their training methods, and that of Delta. However I realised after that comment on FB, this person had a valid point. So I publicly announced my proposal to the RSPCA. Yes and a little harshly I admit. I however stand by my offer, and have many of my clients also offer their support and help to foster dogs and help with the rehabilitation. RSPCA would never have taken up my offer, even if done privately. For one they only follow the purely positive doctrine of behaviour modification. Also if an outsider came in and all of a sudden their kill rates dropped, what does that say about their methods, and the methods of Delta? I know for a fact I could drop their kill rates due to behavioral problems by more than 90%. Their temperament assessment is flawed, and so are their behaviour modification methods in most cases. My offer however remains open to them still.

I have no further comment to make, other than most on here knew you were seeing me. Then you tell them your former behaviourist didn't work for you. So yes I came in on the conversation to state why it didn't work.. Because Justice never displayed the behaviour when you were with me. I wasn't having a go at you... I even stated I am happy you found someone you could work with. End of story.

Yes and its fine for you to speak out against me.. when all I did was state a fact.. That you came out to my group socialisation classes due to aggression issues with Justice.. and all I said was that every time you came out Justice NEVER showed any aggression. I have a right to defend myself too. I am sure everyone can see who I am :) Thank you

Where did I admit, that I only know about the situation from what Mark has said? I have clients that obtained their dog from Moorook.. Many infact. I also have confidentiality concerns too.. But I may know a lot more than you realise. Where did I say things were 'perfect' at Moorook? Why did Moorook pass EVERY inspection, until this year? Even with the amount of dogs Lola had in, RSPCA passed her inspections, and council kept handing dogs to her? Tell me its not true that late last year Council approached RSPCA to open a shelter in the Riverland? So NOW its a big deal? If the claims of cruelty are proven, which I don't believe they will be, then yes she should be charged. As anyone that is cruel to an animal. RSPCA are pretty fast too destroy evidence. Also to suggest that RSPCA don't go to court without all the facts in their favour. I can give you numerous examples where they have lost court cases. I can't believe you are comparing a no-kill shelter to a puppy farm! She has her supporters, and yes I am one of them. Everyone has a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Just because a few (maybe even many) disgruntled people are against her, doesn't make her an evil person... She has her supporters too. We will see what transpires.. As I said I know of many, many dog owners that have spoken highly about Moorook. Even a well regarded professional dog trainer in Adelaide, that helps rehabilitate dogs out there. I trust these peoples judgement. Not the ravings of people upset because the kennels aren't some high class establishment. We wil lsee what happens on the 24th.....

I have no affiliation with Moorook.. No I have not even been out there myself. I do have clients that have dogs from Moorook who speak highly of them. I know of another well regarded professional dog trainer that is out there often helping rehabilitate dogs. Just like any business, organisation, and even person.. We all have issues with some entity, that others may rave about. My issues are in the way RSPCA have handled this... It doesn't take much to see what their intentions are.. They are a law unto themselves, and need to be reigned in.. They are a charity with no accountability and can go around doing what they like to who they like.. All I can say is I am glad our Police Forces and other Law enforces are not run by a charity.. Our society would be in a shambles! I personally believe most if not all the charges against Lola will be thrown out of court. But we will see.

And may I ask where you get your information from? Kill statistics are from RSPCA's own records. And are spoken about openly right aound Australia as a disgrace. Their actions at Moorook could have been handled a lot better, and with a lot more compassion. I never said Moorook shouldn't improved, but to carry on the way RSPCA is is a disgrace.. and its not only happening here in Australia.. UK are going through it too.. with a very large backlash against the RSPCA and their activities. You will never convince the RSPCA supporters that are blinded by their spin.. As sad as that is, I respect that... :)

Maybe they didn't make an appointment because doing so gave Lola time to clean things up? I, thankfully, don't know any dogs who live in the conditions those shelter dogs are forced to live in. Honestly do you believe that? Time to clean up? Nobody is disputing that Moorook needed a clean up.. Even Moorook accept that, and abided by the RSPCA's directive to clean up. It's sad how we expect our dogs to live by the same principles as humans. But even so, we would never keep a human locked in a small concrete kennel, unless incarcerated. People judge a kennel on its looks, because fencing isn't all sparkly new, and nice shiny new water and feed bowls, etc. The kennels and runs were kept clean.. No faeces laying around, etc. If there was, RSPCA would have taken maters even further. It's sad how humans can judge subjectively.. and not look at the facts. Nobody is even suggesting the facilities couldn't be better.. However thousands of dogs have found homes, that in any other situation would have been killed. Isn't that what is important? Or better to kill, than to stay for a period in a lower standard kennel? No out break of diseases, more than we can say for the RSPCA's state of the art kennels. Dog's not killed unnecessarily. It has been said Lola spends around $4,000 a month on Vet bills.. Sure sounds like they aren't cared for? People are too quick to judge, and that is so sad...... Would I prefer my dog staying in better kennels? Most definitely.. However when you don't have the millions of dollars RSPCA have at their disposal, you do what you can, and the best you can for the animals. Wouldn't it be nice if RSPCA said, look Lola, we understand you are doing your best with the resources available to you.. Here is a donation to help you improve things.... Shouldn't RSPCA be helping, and not hindering? Shouldn't there be compassion? No RSPCA are more focused on destroying people than helping? If it wasn't for Lola finding homes for close to 3,000 dogs.. where would they be now?

I am one obviously that is disgusted in the way RSPCA have handled this situation, and their record for killing companion animals. I know I am going to be attacked on here by RSPCA supporters.. So be it. We all have our own opinions and views. I also have no affiliation with Moorook Animal Shelter. Moorook has passed every previous inspection carried out by the RSPCA. Even as late as November last year. Lola always welcomed visits by the RSPCA. Is it a coincidence that council has put it to the RSPCA to open a shelter in the Riverland, and RSPCA now start using warrants and raiding unannounced? If MAS had passed every previous inspection, why did this time RSPCA feel the need to raid unannounced with a warrant? Why not just make an appointment like they usually did with Lola? This can only suggest that RSPCA had ulterior motives this time. If MAS was as bad as some on here are suggesting, why didn't RSPCA take all the animals, and close the place down? Why only 8 animals seized? RSPCA made a few directives where changes needed to be made. Why did they then raid again before their directives had to be fulfilled, and also on a day they knew Lola wouldn't be there? They stated they had another warrant to enter her premises, yet would not produce it. Why did RSPCA put those dogs to sleep, when it was obvious they had a quality of life? Then once the evidence was disposed of make up charges to put on Lola? Why don't RSPCA ever allow for a second opinion about the health of dogs before being killed? Why is it that the RSPCA has the only say, whether a dog should live or die? Of all the dogs seized by the RSPCA, why didn't RSPCA return the dogs that were deemed to be healthy? Why will they not even answer questions by the community on the welfare of these dogs? Nobody is suggesting Moorook was state of the art. I can tell you now, that the runs the dogs are kept in are no different to many backyards dogs live in. But because they are not state of the art concreted kennels, people suggest they were kept in terrible conditions. Why for all these years, when RSPCA did arranged visits, MAS passed every inspection? RSPCA never even questioned the number of animals there. Council even continued dumping dogs there, knowing how many dogs were on the property. RSPCA SA have a terrible record of killing dogs that do not need to die. 1 in 4 are killed for so-called behavioural problems alone, which to me is a disgrace. 1 in 4 dogs do not deserve to die. RSPCA shouldn't use the term euthanasia when in reality it is culling. RSPCA have refused to work with rescue groups to lower these numbers, but instead would rather kill. If rescue groups can re-home over 90% of the dogs that come into their care, RSPCA can do a lot better with the millions of dollars at their disposal. It seems society has just gotten so used to being a throw away society, and killing an innocent animal is justified no matter the reason. RSPCA kill over 50% of all animals that end up at their shelter. No-kill doesn't mean that dogs are never euthanised by rescue groups. It means all animals are given every possible chance at living, before euthanising is considered an option. RSPCA on the other hand are killing dogs for the most outrageous reasons. One dog was even shown on their Animal Rescue show being temperament tested, and because the dog showed some avoidance and unsureness about a doll being pushed into its space, the dog was deemed not re-home-able and therefore killed! Dogs are being killed for behaviours such as incessant barking in the shelter, being overly boisterous, fear, jumping, etc, etc. Dogs are being killed because RSPCA deem them too old. Yet I know of many 'older' dogs re-homed by rescue groups. Why are so many former RSPCA volunteers and workers slowly coming forward and telling people what is going on in RSPCA shelters? Nobody is suggesting we don't have a need for the RSPCA, there however needs to be a complete government inquiry into the operations of the RSPCA. They are a non-profit charity that make millions of dollars a year, and have become a law unto themselves. A charity that has the powers of our police forces, with virtually nobody overseeing their activities. How would people feel if our police forces were run as a charity? In my opinion in the instance of MAS, the inspector has used bullying and stand-over tactics to try and close down a shelter that has been running for years, and might I say with the RSPCA's and councils approval.. Now all of a sudden, MAS is to be raided and undue pressure put on a lady that has dedicated her life to rescuing and re-homing dogs? Why are more and more people worried about taking dogs to the RSPCA, and rather call a rescue group? Because dogs taken in by the RSPCA have more than a 50% chance of dieing. Yet with rescue groups, more than a 90% chance of living... So what if people visit a no-kill shelter and see the runs are made of old fencing and wire, water and food is given in plastic containers? Do you think the dogs care? MAS hasn't had an outbreak of parvo, yet RSPCA with their state of the art kennels have had to close their shelter down due to parvo outbreaks. Dogs would much rather be on natural ground, then being kept long term on concreted floors in small kennels like the RSPCA. RSPCA have an agenda, there can be no other reason for their actions recently. And is that agenda to set up a shelter in the Riverland? You tell me. As we all know, the council did approach the RSPCA late last year to open a shelter. So if RSPCA does have a conflict of interest, then it should not be allowed to enforce laws where that conflict exists.

OT but does your contact form work on your website as I have emailed twice with no response regarding training courses you offer for my ASD pup? Hi millbrooksprings Yes as far as I know it is working. Have had a few emails come through the past few days from my contact form. If you did not receive a confirmation that your email was received by me, and a message show on my site that your message was sent, that means it didn't go through. Did you receive the confirmation email as soon as you submitted the form? If you didn't, it may mean you didn't fill in all the required fields. Feel free to phone me on 1300 255 364 if you prefer. However the form is working. :) Mark

Yes I believe in a balanced approach using positive and negative reinforcement. My methods and theories on dog training and behaviour modification are all discussed in my articles on my website. I also discuss why in my opinion in many (not all) instances purely positive isn't effective, and really only masks unwanted behaviour. Feel free to have a read through them. If one chooses to use purely positive, I respect their choice, and hope it works out for them. If it isn't effective, then I do hope for the sake of our dogs that dog owners will seek out alternatives, and not try to make excuses for their dog.

Balanced approach ness.

Hi Kiesha To me there is no such thing as 'seperation anxiety' as such... Many feel seperation anxiety is a result of being home alone.. It's not. Its a result of the anticipation of leaving the home and then the anticipation of coming home, not being alone. Explained below. You have given a few hints about why she has this anxiety. She becomes anxious when seeing other dogs on lead, other people, etc, etc You seem to hint that she is continually anxious, and reactive to people walikng past the house and wildlife.. possums, dogs etc. Have you considered she has taken on a leadership role within the home? You also state she is not confident around other dogs off the lead? Seems to me a confused lower pack dog taking on a leadership role in the home, due to the interaction with family members, not reading her body language and rewarding/reinforcing the wrong behaviour and state of mind. If a dog has taken on a leadership role within the home, and is continually anxious/stressed because of the role, due to being reinforced.. Then if her pack (family) leaves the home she becomes stressed. As it's her role to look after the pack. She can't do that when the pack leaves. So she becomes anxious when they are leaving. For example..if you had a pack of wolves and we removed the entire pack from the alpha, he/she would become very stressed indeed. But no seperation anxiety, as there would have been no expectation that the pack was leaving.. But stressed due to the pack not being around. I feel that the issues may stem from the relationship with family members when they are home. Reinforcing assertive and anxious states of mind.. Not setting proper rules and boundaries etc. Taking her to a Vets office to be assessed, will not show her relationship with family members within the home, and therefore in my opnion could be misdiagnosed. I sugest get a behaviourist into your home for a few hours, so they can assess her and the family in the home environment. Whats her attitude like when family members come home.. pacing, panting, anxious and can't settle? Do members then greet her when in this state? What is she like if members of the family are at home and she is locked outside? When they let her in, does she barge through the door and claim the house and people inside. In other words overly anxious? Or is she always with the family and never locked out when people are home? How is she when giving treats..does she snap them from your hand? Is she overaly anxious when about to feed her, or go for walks, etc? Does she look like she always has a job to do in the home? Tense. pacing.. slightest noise sets her off, etc? All the above issues (and more) I raised can be the reason for this anxiety and stress.... I'd also like to point out.. that I believe anxiery only kicks in when the person is getting ready to leave the house, and again when the family member comes home.The dog knows when the person is coming home or has arrived. Ie coming home at the same time each day, anxiety begins to build at a certain time... anxiety builds around this time and the dog is then greeted in this state of mind when family come home. Anxiety doesn't exist when nobody is home.. sure some dogs become stressed, displaying signs such as destructive behaviour, escaping, barking, etc, etc... This however in not seperation anxiety.. it is stress from being alone. Anxiety is the conditioned expectation of a certain event or activity to take place.. Ie, dog is stresed being left at home alone.. Owners usually get home at 5pm.. around this time the dogs mind switches into being anxious about family members coming home.. anxiety builds in the dog, then owners arrive..Owners then reward ths state of mind when they get home.. Therefore over a period of time this anxiety becomes stronger and stronger...

Great news! Very happy to hear it anxiety is learned behaviour. Dogs aren't born anxious .. Change the relationship we have with our dog, we modify the behaviour... In my personal opinion too many opt for medication as a quick fix, instead of focusing on the relationship with their dog. Medicating a dog should, in my opinion, be a last resort. Too many Vet behaviourists are all for handing out meds. Most do not do home consultations to see the relationship the dog has with its owners. How can they get the full picture? All they see is an anxious dog entering their surgery.... "We need to calm him.. here take these each day".. problem fixed. Is it realy fixed.. or just masking the dogs stress? However Charley.. I am happy you are seeing results.. Hopefully though with the right guidence, your dog will eventually be taken off the meds.

Thank you so much for this post i was beginning to think i had asked for a behaviourist. Yes the dog will be kept under threshold the reason for getting the head collar now is so that he can get used to it just in case we need it in the future. Kynan - Thank you also for your advice but i wont be touching Mark Singer with a 20 ft pole. E-collars and prong collars are not my idea of fun. Hi Charley ... I would say less than 5% of my clients use prong collars.. 90%+ are on martingales. None are using ecollars (not that I disagree with their use). NONE use gentle leaders or head halters. I do my best to accommodate my clients needs. Behaviour modification is more about owner/dog relationship than the actual tools used. I haven't read the entire thread, however reactive aggression is a ticking time bomb, for you and your dog. If purely positive methods are not helping your GSD, then you need to find an alternative method that does work. Medication is NOT the answer..honestly! You are more than welcome to pop out to my sunday group socialisation class without your dog, and observe the methods used on those dogs, have a chat with the dog owners and me. I think you will have a different opinion then. Please don't judge my methods without seeing them first hand. It's possible your dog just may have lead frustration, due to the way you walk him and the relationship you have with him at home. Offer is open. EDIT: I say attend my class without your dog, as all owners and dogs that attend my socialisation class must have a home consultation first. I need to see the entire picture, dog and family relationship, etc..Not just the dogs reaction around other dogs. Hi everyone... After some time away from the site..thought I'd pop in and say hi! May even hang around occassionally Have a great day Mark