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Yes, i realise the difference between the two. And it is actually a requirement of QLD that this be done, I personally have just seen the paperwork on registering a litter (prior to any of them even being sold). AND it is a legal requirement in many councils of QLD (including the one the breeder is in), that every pup must be microchipped by 8 weeks, and must NOT be sold until chipped. (age doesn't matter here as he could be 5 yrs old and if I sell him I have to chip him if not done already)

I'm not overly concerned if the breeder reads this thread, as she is aware of our intentions to have him de-sexed once we receive a response from her. I have not however mentioned our knowledge of the fact that his microchip status was a legal issue to begin with. As you said, the legal costs of this could pile up quickly and i am not about to run down that path. I feel the breeder realizes this also, having been in the business many years, she may not have expected un-experienced buyers to feel that they have any say once a contract is in place. Being a registered breeder tho should mean you know you shouldn't be cutting corners or costs at the outset and then shouting "contract contract!" when something like this arises. Just my opinion. I think I will take your advice of putting it in a letter with a deadline and stating that no response is taken to mean she is in agreement. I feel given the circumstances this is only fair. and yes Dory the Doted One as you mentioned, it sounds logical having it that way, and we are in no way requesting she pay for anything else besides scoring if she wanted this done

So there are actually no canine association papers - have you confirmed this? I know it says QLD in your avatar but that is the default State unless you change it. Requirements for puppy registration in each State varies- you don't need chip numbers to register pups here in Vic if you are a hobby breeder as such. I think if you have a payment receipt and the dog is chipped in your name, and there was never canine assoc registration then the dog is yours. However, you need to seek legal advice on your contract to be sure. I haven't confirmed with the breeder, as having never been in this situation of owning a purebred purchased from a breeder before. However, I have spoken to other breeders, even of different breed dogs, and CCCQ paperwork must have each pups microchip # on it prior to the litter being registered. I am in QLD yes, and I have even checked with the breeders local council to be sure. It was suggested to us by one breeder that if the breeder may have provided false numbers to on initial paperwork to get the litter registered? No idea about that tho.

Dogs aren't put under anaesthetic when they're being collected. As far as I know. There are conflicting views, as he has never been put to stud, some have said that as it is a once off collection he would be put under. But this may be different for different vets, I can only go by what I have been told.

I HAVE spoken to the breeder. Besides numerous unanswered phone calls we have now resorted to email which she responds to occasionally. Since the dog was not microchipped, he cannot have been registered, (his entire litter can not have been legally registered since you need EACH pups chip # for this), so technically nobody owns this dog. This is not an issue, as I have stated if you read above posts, about if the micro chipping is going to be done. We are getting it done. I simply wanted some advice as to where we stand, we have not been thru this before. Where we stand if we simply do not agree to pay to have the scoring done. Where we stand if she wants to take legal action? Being that there are two people in this transaction, the breeder must realise that peoples lives cannot be put on hold until they find the time to contact you regarding any issues.

Yes we have had the dog for almost a year. We have had a lot of financial issues with my husband losing his job unexpectedly and I am expecting twins. So no, micro chipping our dog has not been a priority and I dont feel anyone is in a position to judge when you need to put family first over a pet. As for desexing our dog, I HAVE spoken to the breeder about it. Our initial conversation (over a period of months) was with the thought that we would sell him back to her. And she was fine with that. And having discussed it more and had time to think about the possibilities, we decided to desex. Which we have spoken to her about. I realize desexing is not always a cure to dominance, but our decision is not solely based on that alone. But I have spoken to an animal behaviorist and two other registered breeders who agree neutering is a positive step in our case. Seeing as how the breeder initially broke the law in the first place, we have been advised that if the matter were to proceed legally (which we dont want), that our contract would most likely be void as it was not undertaken correctly to begin with. My issue now, being that the breeder has clearly stated to me, "judging from his photos at this stage I do not wish to use him as stud over my bitches, but I would still ask you have his hips and elbows scored" and since having contacted her responding to this stating that our financial position with two more babies on the way is not going to support the $300+ amount we are up for to have these scores done, especially since she has said she isn't interested in having him as a stud, just so that we can then turn around and pay to have him desexed. I am yet to hear a response. And with my pregnancy, time is of importance as we wish to have this issue sorted before they arrive which is not long now. And I have to admit that I am not keen on having my dog go thru two anesthetic administered procedures in a short time if she does wish to have semen collected after his hips and elbows are done. I am nearly positive that if something were to go wrong, that she would not be paying for any treatment required or replacing him if he were to die. And no the risk may not be large, but it is still a risk. I have to add that the breeder has not been nasty or unwilling to assist us. We have no papers for him, nothing besides a receipt to say we actually paid money for him and her typed contract. He is not in our name for registration either. Once the terms of our contract are fulfilled (being if she uses him as a stud), we send proof of desexing to her and she sends us papers? Not sure whats involved there tho. And when we picked him up, the breeder was more than willing to allow for us to desex him if an issue did arise down the track so long as we called her beforehand, so this is not news to her.

Actually this is a good point, you did get the dog for less. If you agreed to get the hips done then just because you dont want to use the dog doesn't mean the breeder should suffer. You did, after all, buy him on a breeders terms. Is there a contract? thanks for all the replies... so to answer the questions: =) Firstly, the breeder told us he was not micro-chipped and we would need to do it. And we will be getting it done asap. The only issue, even the vet was quite surprised, was that it is law and it was not done prior to sale. Secondly, there is a contract in place that stated hips/elbows would be done (have to find it to see if we were to pay or not). We were never to breed from him, this was not a part of the contract. She said that if we ever did decide we may have been interested in a female from her later down the track, that we may if she agrees, use him at no charge. So the only part of getting him on breeders terms was that he was left entire (for her purpose only, not ours) and we got a nice looking pup. The "discount" we received was paying the price of a limited register pup instead of a fully registered one, but as we were never allowed to breed from him, keeping him entire was for her benefit only. So the price of having him off breeders terms would have been exactly the same. And she has in the contract that if she wishes to use him as a stud that it will be at her expense including transport etc, even for semen collection.

Hi there, Just after some advice or comments if anyone can help? In 2010 we purchased a purebred dog from a registered breeder on dogz online. We have him on breeders terms which meant we paid a cheaper price for him and she may use him as a stud when she wants. However, due to changing family circumstances combined with his growing dominance, we wish to have him de-sexed. The breeder has been sent photos (as she lives a long drive away), to show how he looks, and she has said that at this stage she does not wish to use him as a stud. But she would like his hips and elbows done still. At our expense... As we have no interest in breeding, we want him desexed asap, the scores are of no use to us. I have sent this thru, stating that if she wishes, at her expense we can arrange to have it done. Why are scores necessary if he is not going to be bred from? Also, we have found out from our vet that he was not microchipped. It was law in her council as of 2009 that he be chipped prior to sale. Which means that he is not even registered as yet. Where do we stand with this? She is a respected breeder and has been for over 15 years in qld, along with being the founder of the (breed) club and a show judge. Many thanks in advance