sueang

I looked at the reduced Fat Ivory Coat & peas are the 3rd ingredients,would have been better if peas were 6-7th ingredient not the 3rd...Peas being 3rd ingredient in the Reduced fat does contribute to the protein % ...I admit Ivory Coat looks like a good kibble but Id rather a kibble without potatos with a dog with stomach problems, I like my dogs kibble to digest easy not sit in his stomach,

... why not make one of their kibbles with a few different ingredients & leave out the potatos, like other brands do, they have some flavours with potatoes that are grainfree then some flavours without the potato chicken fat just to cover dogs that may suffer with skin allergies or be allergic to chicken etc

..also if you want to rotate you dogs kibbles he's getting different ingredients not just potatos day in & day out...

My vet told me about soaking kibbles & see if they absorb water quickly or still stay real hard, a good premium kibble should become soft when left in water for only 1-3 mins the water penetrate right thru the kibble & not be dry & grainy on the inside when crushed, you think about it when your dogs just eats kibble with no wet foods mixed in, the kibble would just sit in their stomachs being hard to digest...

harder kibbles caused discomfort with my boy I found after eating hard kibbles he would start whinging couldnt get comfortable when trying to go to sleep then would spew up the kibbles about 6-8 hours later all un digeted .if my boy could stomach raw i'd be feeding raw like a dogs Gi track was made to eat not over processed dry hard kibble...

When Ive tested a few kibbles & my dog has eaten them & agrees Holistic Select has been the best for kibbles that are easily digestable & what they state on their bag is true, unique digestive health support & Wellness Simple Lamb & Oatmeal both made by Wellpet, real easy digestable kibbles.also Canidae was easy to digest their limited grain kibbles

but they have changed a few ingredients in their grainfree formulas having only 8 ingredients for dogs that may have developed food sensitivities..

Can I ask out of genuine curiosity what sinking/floating kibble has to do with how good it is?

Same with the crushing?

I'm interested too..!

Sueang - This food is actually very low in carbs and high in meat protein. Peas don't contribute a significant amount of protein in this case.

I just found Ivory Coat foods Reduced Fat Grainfree natural, I was so happy until I read the ingredients POTATOS, Peas & Pea fiber, I'd rather a grain kibble with rice, oats, quinoa any kibbles with Potatoes are sooooooooooo hard even hard to digest..... I always do my kibble test when I get either a sample or buy a new kibble, I put a couple of kibbles in water, a good kibble floats to the top of the water, (Meals for Mutts kibbles sank No good) after 60 sec soaking I put 1 kibble inbetween 2 teaspoons & lightly crush, a good kibble like "Wellness Simple Lamb & Oatmeal" crushes nicely (ashame about the peas) a kibble with potatos flings off the spoon, it soooo hard, we need a new kibble in Australia, with Limited ingredients, easily digestable low in fat, no potatoes & no peas like in America there's certain kibbles like orijen that are potaoes free kibbles, they have pumkin, apples etc...whats with the potatoes they must be cheap.... peas they take out the corn & put in peas to up the protein % Peas give some dogs real bad wind.....If just ashame we dont have more variety kibbles here in Australia, if your dog has health problems (pancreatitis, IBD, Skin problems) they have to go on the vet diets that have awful ingredients & are 59% carbs.... also potatoes are a high carb, no good for skin problem dogs.....

As the owner of Ivory Coat Companion Goods, I’d like to clarify the position of Ivory Coat, given the inference by Essential Dog that our products may not be substantially Australian, given this thread is about Ivory Coat.

Ivory Coat Grooming Products are Australian made, we have a facility here in Australia where they are made from scratch using ingredients sourced in Australia, we even ensure that our bottles are formed and our labels are printed in Victoria, Australia.

Our nutritional products are also made in our Australian facility from scratch. All our meats and vegetables are sourced from Victorian and New South Wales, the only imported ingredient to our products is our vitamin supplements of which make up an extremely small percentage, and only due to them not readily being available in Australia.

Further to this we have an assistance program in place to further assist Australian farmers, for which a fixed donation is made back to Aussie Helpers an exceptional charity that we have chosen to partner with.

The Australian Made logo or not, we stand by our Australian products as the best in the marketplace.

I can’t address all the miss-information on these blogs about our food products, for this we simply ask the consumers to compare our ingredients to the food they are currently feeding, we know that the educated consumer will see the benefits and can make an informed choice for their own companion.

Regards

Steven

Hi, yes I do the biscuit at 9pm, I even started to think the biscuit was causing his acid so I gave rice cake biscuits now Im trying the dry toast, but with the biscuits or kibble sometimes he still wakes & wants his grass of a morning, some mornings he doesnt vomit,but that whole day he seems unwell, this week he just isnt well, he does suffer with IBD....Vet wants him on a steroid but everything that Ive read suggest that Prednisone can cause stomach ulcers & nuasea..so I haven't tried it yet, I think he just needs a real good anti-acid medication like I take (Somac) I think he suffers from GORDs he's always burping after meals, I've done the eat slower things raised food bowl they have helped a bit, I even soften his kibble so if he swollows a few they are soft & partly digested he's even on a low residue kibble that I think may cause his acid sometimes but Ive tried other foods & he has very sloppy poos....

i remember years ago there was a query on this - the yellow morning vomits ;) I have had dogs do it , too. The solution in these cases was to give dogs a few bikkies as a late night snack - no more morning upchucks :)

Have you tried this with your dog?

Thank-You Yonjuro, for all the info, do you think if Patch has side effects with the Losec he'll have side effects with Somac? Zantac isnt working I dont think the Zantac has ever really worked...

Here ya go :) Somac = Pantoprazole

http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/ajvr.2005.66.425?journalCode=ajvr

Abstract

American Journal of Veterinary Research

March 2005, Vol. 66, No. 3, Pages 425-431

doi: 10.2460/ajvr.2005.66.425

Effects of ranitidine, famotidine, pantoprazole, and omeprazole on intragastric pH in dogs

Alexa M. E. Bersenas, DVM Karol A. Mathews, DVM, DVSc Dana G. Allen, DVM, MSc Peter D. Conlon, DVM, PhD

Department of Clinical Studies, Ontario Veterinary College, University of Guelph, Guelph, ON N1G 2W1, Canada. (Bersenas, Mathews, Allen); Department of Biomedical Sciences, Ontario Veterinary College, University of Guelph, Guelph, ON N1G 2W1, Canada. (Conlon)

Objective—To identify the normal gastric acid secretion profile in dogs and determine the degree of gastric acid suppression associated with 4 gastric acid suppressants.

Animals—12 healthy Beagles.

Procedure—Intragastric pH was measured continuously for 24-hour periods with a digital recording system placed via a gastrostomy tube. Baseline measurements were obtained when food was withheld and when dogs were fed a standard diet. Dogs were then treated with ranitidine (2 mg/kg, IV, q 12 h), famotidine (0.5 mg/kg, IV, q 12 h), pantoprazole (1 mg/kg, IV, q 24 h), omeprazole (1 mg/kg, PO, q 24 h), or saline solution for 7 days; intragastric pH was recorded on days 0, 2, and 6. Subsequently, the effects of administering famotidine (0.5 mg/kg, IV, q 8 h; 6 dogs) and omeprazole as a suspension (1 mg/kg, PO, q 12 h; 6 dogs) were evaluated. Median 24-hour intragastric pH, percentage of time pH was ≥ 3, and percentage of time pH was ≥ 4 were determined.

Results—Median pH, percentage of time pH was ≥ 3, and percentage of time pH was ≥ 4 were all significantly higher when food was withheld than when dogs were fed. Famotidine, pantoprazole, and omeprazole significantly suppressed gastric acid secretion, compared with saline solution, as determined on the basis of median 24-hour pH and percentages of time pH was ≥ 3 or ≥ 4. However, ranitidine did not. Omeprazole suspension suppressed gastric acid secretion.

Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—Results suggest that in healthy dogs, famotidine, pantoprazole, and omeprazole significantly suppress gastric acid secretion. Twice daily administration of a suspension of omeprazole, was the only regimen tested that approached the potential therapeutic efficacy for acidrelated disease when assessed by criteria used for human patients. (Am J Vet Res 2005;66:425–431)

CITING ARTICLES

Katherine R. Jones, Carol W. Maddox, Marcella D. Ridgway, Stuart C. Clark-Price, Olivier Dossin. (2013) Incidence of bacteremia following upper gastrointestinal endoscopy and biopsy in healthy dogs before, during, and after treatment with omeprazole. American Journal of Veterinary Research 74:2, 239-242.

Online publication date: 1-Feb-2013.

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I emailed Meals For Mutts & asked what veggies are used in their seasonal vegetables & they said Broccoli, Bok Choy, Peas & zucchini...

Just though I'd add that we're on this brand at the moment. Really happy so far, apart from the piece size but I don't ever feed it on its own.

Love the fact that they DON'T add sneaky chicken or potato! Plus the ingredients list is really short compared to most I have tried.

The name doesn't bother me, I call my guys mutts all the time, even though they aren't.

Also just started my cats on the Meals for Meows too.

Has anyone been prescribed Somac for their dog stomach acid & if so did it work or were there any side effects, my boy cant take Losec he has side effects...he gets bad acid early hours of the morning & vomites up the yellow sticky acid some mornings, I just cant find anything about Somac for dogs only Losec..

Have you wormed him, worm him then 2 weeks later do it again.. Boil rice & boil chicken breast as soon as the breast start to boil remove make sure the chicken is cooked leave in boil water until cooked it only takes about 5mins to cook chicken put on chopping board cool a bit then get a fork & run fork along chicken makin little shreaded pieces add some chicken with the rice make sure u put left overs in fridge cook fresh daily. I also had to give Science Diet dry food for senitive stomachs this stopped my boxer Diarrhea she had IBS. You need a good vet that specialises in the stomach & Bowel.