Angeluca

I don't have a prefix yet I don't intent to get on until I know I have good enough breeding stock everything will be planned out well ahead of time. And I have just recently Branched out and started contacting breeders in other states. I would like to stay local for the reassurance of begin able to interact with the breeder like I do my boy's. But I do have the support and guidance of my local kennel club who both show and trial. Poodlefan I understand how cryptic this is with specifics. I have a type gun dog, group 3 he'd be classed in. I have looked at agility and gun dog trials too. While I'm not new to ownership, in the passed my family has had Rotties Dobers and GSDs as well as a chihuahua,a border collie and a corgie. I am new to the competitive and breeding side. I first wanted to get into working shepards about 13 years ago, but I never found the right girl to breed from. Owned some out right gorgeous Shepard. It was all put on pause 7 and a half years ago when I had my daughter and didn't have time for the training side. My kids are now at school and I study from home so about 12 mths ago I decided I wanted to get back into the love I had for dogs. At this time we had a pet female (desexed) of the breed in question and decided to follow on with that breed. This is basically the exact story I inform breeders of when I first contact them. I accept if they are denclined to help and respect their decision. I had considered showing but have been put off at least for the time being.

Thanks everyone, I do honestly appreciate your comments. And the fact there was no accusations. There were a few breeders I had contacted whom were polite and helpful respectfully either directed me into another direction from their breed because of line changes ect or Just nothing they had was more then pet quality. And I do understand the Byb problem which is why I was willing to trust the person who offered on a limited register until health checks and other commitments I made were followed through including not using my male if When of age he wasn't up to standard or health checks for one reason or another i know just cause i have him doesn't mean i can breed from him we have a long road before it can be considered, I mention that to breeders but with reason they are skeptical. Which is where most my problems lay. I don't believe I'm ready for the show ring. I have attended as a spectator to a few obedience trials and it honestly feels like home. I love the people, the environment and atmosphere. I am attending a show as a spectator in a few days and another in just over a week. I'm trying to be optimistic, but the last couple of months have really tainted that with witnessing, backstabbing. The experienced show lady who I went and visited ran other people down and their dogs and told me she'd deny it as she said who would they believe her or me? not that I would go and do that, but just the fact that that was being said. I told myself last years it was in the second half of this year I would have the time for another puppy to come. I started contacting people months ago mostly in my state to make contact and visits possible. I could honestly not have a pup until next year and be fine and more then willing to jump though hoops to prove myself.

My Boys breeder has provided me with 5 generations, he has the same grand parents as many grand chs in the show ring today, plus countless Ud, Udx ect titles in his lines and I did extensive research in to the lines these people have so they match mine on both sides and the breeders they've bred with previously it is mostly people with these lines who I'm getting flack from. And I understand the health probs, breed requirements, Standard and the original history and use of the breed. I am familiar with temperaments and traits as this isn't the first I have owned plus the on going research. The breed I'm familiar with just not the politics within the breeder circles and show ring. I'm also confused with show breeders say you can't breed unless you show. Where as others say so long as the dogs is Good standard with all health checks and registration.

Thanks lol silly mistake, I did end up contacting my breeder who was helpful, always has been to their credit. Love them! some of the breeders who were less then helpful contained some of his lines, some of the original prefix owners no longer breed. I did find someone who was going to or may still sell me a pup. But i made the mistake of being respectful to the lady who's time I took up and told her i was going a different direction cause she was going to sell me a pup providing I desex my male. I did consider it cause of her reputation and years of experience. Anyway she asked who i was looks at and I mentioned who. The next conversation with the new breeder she was vague with litter details only there wasn't enough and short. I mention she had mentioned another breeding she had coming up she asked me to contact her then. I will wait to see if the same happens again I Just get the feeling i'm being palmed off as even when said ' thats no prob hows mum anyway? she was short

you might want to edit your post then as you've mentioned the breed. thank you

Hello, This is my first post and it may be a bit long but i would like to get full story out and I have so many controversial questions when it comes to breeders and breeding. Last year i contacted a breeder had asked for a male who I intend on going through with obedience trials with the possibility of one day breeding with the promise of full registration and health checks first. They were helpful and gave me my gorgeous boy on main register. He is almost 10 mths now and I have joined local kennel club and are going to weekly obedience lessons as I said I would. I have now spent the last 3 months researching and contacting breeders in regards of purchasing a girl with little to no success. Some have been helpful and respectful, but most haven't. I am fully open and admit I have a male on main register and who I got him from. The same question is asked every-time. "do you intent to breed?" I said "well yes providing the dogs are good temp and pass all health checks but i can't say that is what i will do cause it depends on so much" Thats when I strike out, some have admitted it is because I admit I have a boy, they consider me a backyard breeder and so forth. I even met a breeder who said if I don't show would I be considered a backyard breeder? but then went on to discredit half the breeders out there with awful looking dogs who only win cause they get along with the judge, or and inexperienced judge passes the pretty dog. But then added "there is no reason to breed is you don't show" but later told in same conversation "you don't need to show foundation bitch" There was others who dislike my breeder won't sell me a dog, and others who think it doesn't tie in with their lines. If the dog is health checked and registered. Follows the standard what does lines matter? I find that these breeders are in clicky groups and have heard of Me even before I contact them. This honestly left me completely confused and disheartened. I have agreed with breeders to have the girl on limited until health checks are passed, this of course leaves me at their will if they don't follow through with it, So I to am taking a risk. I want to do this right but I find if I am Honest I will get nowhere. I have found If i had said this is my only dog and I want to show I would have had a bitch months ago on main. To do as I pleased, it was just unethical. I know there is so many questions within this post but I'm have pretty much exhausted with looking for answers and getting nowhere. P.S All breeders I contacted advertise here. And I would like to keep what state I'm from and what breed as I honestly believe It will hinder me further.