lilypily

My beautiful MF passed away at the start of the year. Super duper active, probably settled down at around 7yrs. I had a bell on her collar as she was ALWAYS under my feet and was a big tripping hazard.

My 11yr old girl passed on January 2nd this year. It was just under a month that I got a pup. My house was so empty, nothing felt right. I too deliberately chose a male dog. For the first week or so with him, I felt like I was betraying Lily. Being a pup he has kept me so so busy and I hold him responsible for my sanity!. I haven't grieved for Lily yet, I don't know why but I just can't. I know one day when things aren't going right, the thought of Lil will open the floodgates, i'm scared the gates won't close

Very cute!

Yep, they're the exact ones i'm looking at. Bunnings sell them for around the $200 mark. I rang several glass companies, one said $300 and the other said $600 (always pays to ring around). Yes, i'd have to have a complete new panel of glass. That Autoslide looks so cool. Ah, I thought I had stumbled onto something brilliant, bit slow aren't I? :laugh: The glass is a bit expensive, would you have to change it back if you move? I'll get the clip in door. It's the cheapest option and i'v seen one at someones house, they look good and are lockable. Masters don't sell them. Lucky i'm not in a huge hurry.

True :laugh: Seeing my boy is only 17wks he is untrusted unsupervised. If I go out during the day, he goes into the laundry and he sleeps in his crate in my bedroom. When he's older he will gain full access to the house unsupervised. Just for interests sake (I just had to know :laugh: ) The Autoslide starter kit is $367 + GST. I rang Petstock to get a price on the sliding door insert, they start at $400 I said Bunnings sell them for around $200. The sales assistant didn't believe me. So I went to Bunnings and they are $185, but they had none in stock, so i'll see if Masters sell them

They wait patiently in their crates :D Or i'm guessing you could just turn off the power switch and it won't work.

Yep, they're the exact ones i'm looking at. Bunnings sell them for around the $200 mark. I rang several glass companies, one said $300 and the other said $600 (always pays to ring around). Yes, i'd have to have a complete new panel of glass. That Autoslide looks so cool.

I'm guessing we have members here who have had a glass door cut to install a doggy door. I know prices will vary, just after a estimate for a small/medium dog. I love the click in pannels (it is for a sliding glass door). The ones i'v seen are around the $200 mark. I'm just wondering which way would be cheapest.

This is my whole point. Yep I was in the wrong, but I don't feel that I would of deserved to have my pup killed for simply approacing another dog. I'm not being melodramatic, I really do believe this dog would have killed my pup if he had of got him. Even though I was at fault, it has scared me and put me off going back.

I don't know what the set up is at lilypily's training centre but other than one occasion where I wasn't thinking anyone would try to walk between our chair and the next one over because it was in front of a wall, leaving me nowhere to go when someone did decide to do just that, we usually sat on one side of a walkway in to and out of the group, under the advice of our behaviourist who was delivering the training. The reasoning was that the dogs were placed in front of us on a mat and the walkway gap was much larger than the gap between the rest of the chairs (which people also randomly walked through), so increased our distance from passing dogs, and also gave us better options for escape if needed. Justice was also at a point where he didn't care if a dog walked past him and was even one of the best behaved dogs when it came to training our dogs to walk past an oncoming dog at close proximity. It was only the dogs who were allowed, either through inattention or stupidity on the part of their owners, to lunge, leap or drag themselves in to his face (and yes, one dog did actually leap quite a distance at his face when the owner was busy chatting at the end if a class). It's not always possible to get from sitting to standing and moving away though if the dog only lunges towards yours at the last second, even if you're paying attention. I agree with you snook. Yes I did not see my pup approaching the other dog, so I can only assume that he did in the way he approaches all new dogs, slowly and if the dogs are large he immediately drops belly up. I don't know if i'll go back. Pup Preschool was hit and miss. I did get several good training tips, but boy did they do some stupid things with him. Lesson learnt though and fortuanately no harm was done. Lesson learnt is the main thing. :) I would seriously consider returning to training but if you're not happy with how they run things in general, maybe ask DOLers for recommendations for somewhere near you that's really good and much more in line with what you want? It can be such a valuable experience for your pup if it's done well. I know of several smaller training schools around so i'll enquire.

I don't know what the set up is at lilypily's training centre but other than one occasion where I wasn't thinking anyone would try to walk between our chair and the next one over because it was in front of a wall, leaving me nowhere to go when someone did decide to do just that, we usually sat on one side of a walkway in to and out of the group, under the advice of our behaviourist who was delivering the training. The reasoning was that the dogs were placed in front of us on a mat and the walkway gap was much larger than the gap between the rest of the chairs (which people also randomly walked through), so increased our distance from passing dogs, and also gave us better options for escape if needed. Justice was also at a point where he didn't care if a dog walked past him and was even one of the best behaved dogs when it came to training our dogs to walk past an oncoming dog at close proximity. It was only the dogs who were allowed, either through inattention or stupidity on the part of their owners, to lunge, leap or drag themselves in to his face (and yes, one dog did actually leap quite a distance at his face when the owner was busy chatting at the end if a class). It's not always possible to get from sitting to standing and moving away though if the dog only lunges towards yours at the last second, even if you're paying attention. I agree with you snook. Yes I did not see my pup approaching the other dog, so I can only assume that he did in the way he approaches all new dogs, slowly and if the dogs are large he immediately drops belly up. I don't know if i'll go back. Pup Preschool was hit and miss. I did get several good training tips, but boy did they do some stupid things with him. Lesson learnt though and fortuanately no harm was done.

This^^^^ is why I attribute some fault as well on the other owner (not dog) I too have owned a very dominant aggressive male and I was like the above quote. It would of been negligent of me to take him to a dog class, he would have wreaked havok. It was one of those split second moments and I believe that me yanking the lead saved my puppy. Yes, my fault for allowing my pup to enter another dogs space, but (waiting to be jumped on again) if you know your dog has issues then don't put them in a close environment with other dogs. Dogs with issues need training too and how do you know that being in obedience class wasn't part of this dog's development? Should my dog have not been allowed to go to obedience classes because he has issues, just because other people might not pay attention to what their dog is doing? In a training focused environment you generally expect people are keeping an eye on their dog. I'm also not confident that the other dog "meant business" just because it lunged and snapped. Justice would sound terrifying to someone who doesn't know him, when he's doing his reactive display. Even my best friend and my mum were shocked the first time they saw and heard it and he means no harm at all, just wants the other dog to go away and not hurt him. ETA: The dog owner was sitting where other dogs could avoid them. By your own admission your dog would not have gotten in its face if you'd been paying attention and had control of your dog. I know accidents happen and am not trying to paint you as a dreadful person but I'm viewing this from the perspective of someone with a reactive dog who has been on the other end of this sort of situation multiple times. I absolutley agree dogs with issues need training Snook. It occured after the training session, when it's a bit of socialisation time. The owner was very much in the middle of everyone and there dogs. I'm not trying to paint owners of reactive dogs as dreadful, been there, done that with Roofy for 10yrs. If a dog is super reactive, like my Roofy was you have to hyper vigalant and unfortunately expect people to make silly mistakes

You worded your post beautifully, much better than I could get across. When I refer to a DA dog, I don't mean the snarls or snaps that can happen between dogs in situations like dog clubs. This dog went in for the kill, and my 2.5kg pup wouldn't of had a chance. Even though it was my fault for being distracted and allowing my dog to get into this dogs space, It doesn't make me want to go back again. To risky.

This^^^^ is why I attribute some fault as well on the other owner (not dog) I too have owned a very dominant aggressive male and I was like the above quote. It would of been negligent of me to take him to a dog class, he would have wreaked havok. It was one of those split second moments and I believe that me yanking the lead saved my puppy. Yes, my fault for allowing my pup to enter another dogs space, but (waiting to be jumped on again) if you know your dog has issues then don't put them in a close environment with other dogs.

Thanks Marg and Gamby. :) It sure won't happen again.

So now dogs and owners are one? I keep saying owner and everone else says it's the dog I blame. Okay then, I absolve myself of all responsibility, it was my pups fault.

Yes true. If you have a dog that is DA then shouldn't you have it trained to a certain point before taking it into a environment full of dogs so stupid, distracted owners such as myself don't near lose there pup. This dog meant business!!!!! There is personal space, then there is a full on attack. Would you punch someone in the face if they stood to close to you in the checkout line?. Far out guys, I have repeatedly acknowledged my responsibility in this incident, I was in the wrong. I'm being jumped on because I say I think the other owner was responsible as well.

Umm ok, that's your interpretation. There's only so much I can write to try and describe the scene, using the word 'walkway' means different things to different people. I say both us owners are to blame. I have clearly said owners, not dogs. I'v deliberately withheld the breed of the big dog. Stop saying I want the other dog blamed.

The other owner had ample opportunity to move his dog. My pup entered the big dogs space, but the owner also had a slack lead for the dog to lunge. I'm not defending myself here, I know I stuffed up. Just got me thinking of legalities, two owners not on the ball and if an incident happens, i'd say 50/50 responsibility. It's clearly given you a fright and you've learned from it. Absolutley!! If this dog had of got my pup, he wouldn't be here today. To think I put my pup in that position makes me feel sick. Showdog, have you read all this thread? I have stated more than once that I accept my responsibility, nowhere have I layed blame on the large dog. I do believe we both as owners could of prevented it. Two human errors, not the dogs.

The other owner had ample opportunity to move his dog. My pup entered the big dogs space, but the owner also had a slack lead for the dog to lunge. I'm not defending myself here, I know I stuffed up. Just got me thinking of legalities, two owners not on the ball and if an incident happens, i'd say 50/50 responsibility.

Yeah bdoc. I totally take responsibility, as I said I do know better (and my pup will glued to my side from now on). Just thinking about it, and I thought we were both at fault, me obviously for allowing myself to be distracted and the other owner having a dog with issues and having it so close to a walk through area. If my dog was aggressive i'd create clear space. But if it's 100% my fault, i'll wear it.

I agree with this. And I also like Diva's response saying that both owners are responsible. It occurs to me that we are all too ready to want to and to actually apportion blame. Bad things happen because someone takes their eyes of the ball - it happens to everyone. Of course, some things are totally blameworthy, but we are all fallible humans. Responsibility. Yes it was me with the puppy and i'm happy to take my responsibility. I walked past and saw a old dog club friend I haven't seen for years. I stopped to chat and let the lead go lax . It was that split instant of seeing out of the corner of my eye and the sound, and I yanked the lead in (and my poor puppy) But better to be yanked, because this dog meant business.. Huski, I do think the owner was caught unaware, he called his dog off, but I do think I was the quicker one, and no he didn't have a yellow ribbon. So I do take personal responsibility. It was to close for comfort, I really could of lost my pup if the big boy got him. It got me wondering (not that I ever intend to be in that position again) What are the legalities if there is a fight and injuries at a dog club? ETA: I am happy to be called a idiot, because I do know better

Great topic. My boy is booked in next week for desexing, he will be 18weeks old. I am umming and ahhhing on whether I should or not. Vets certainly promote desexing earlier. It's more expensive if done at a later age.

While at dog training if one person is sitting down with there large breed dog and another person walks past with there small breed dog and gets distracted in conversation with someone else, and there small breed dog (a puppy) pulls on the lead to say hi to the large breed dog, and the large breed dog lunges to attack. If an attack occurs, who is at fault? Would the person who's distracted and having a loose lead be at fault, or the person with an aggressive dog for not having it controlled properly (not a once off lunge, you know your dog dislikes other dogs) Or would you say both parties are equally to blame? Just curious?

Thanks Ams and RuralPug. I agree with the fostering first idea. Fostering is something i'v wanted to do for a while, but as Lily got older she wouldn't of tolerated another dog in the house, jelousy would of been a big issue.