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Yep. Thanks. I can see that a four generation pedigree is required for export. But a generation can be 3/4. I hope that means a 3/4 WKC registation. Anyway - I've always wanted to use that emoticon. PX

WKC, WCK, CKW, CWK, KWC, KCW, Doesn't anybody use the protocol for abbreviations? Is it World Kennel Council (WKC) ??? Edit. It's OK. Working Kelpie Council of Australia (WKC)

SLF Please, kindly let us know what you decide to do, and the what the outcome is, as we are not far behind you. Px

Your pm is off and you can't be emailed. Could you add Liz Brown's website to the top post in the pinned Breeders Forum 'reproduction specialists' thread please? Ta

Sure. Understood. And that just reinforces what Steve said about mating being natural and the way it could be done. The article I cited quotes a mating + AI The OP inquired about Mating and an AI. You yourself conclude with the same intention. I am also considering a double fertilisation in this way, hence the reason I have kept the article. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Once again, "Which methods, with which dogs, under which conditions, will be the most efficacious." Regards

You do know that most vets would not have the knowledge or equipment to do an transcervical insemination? The best that most could do is a vaginal AI. Well, the article I cited quotes the probably of a fresh intrauterine AI above 80% while vaginal AI just 50-50. So are you talking about most Vets or reproduction specialists? If I was going to pay the money, then I would want it done as I requested. Don't get me started on most Vets, here in the breeders forum. Px Px

Hi. I just want to make a point about the 'slip.' Since the first mating, my dogs will slip several times before a tie. The bitch sits and the dog has no choice. But it is like they have worked out how to have sex. :laugh: Eventually, the dog decides to hold on and she can't throw him off. He practically 'rapes' her. Its very forceful. Then without fail they tie. So, I guess I understand that some pairs don't get to the tie. Px

Its not one or two that's a problem. But when they develop a taste for them and help themselves to a bowl of grapes on a coffee table, it becomes a problem Same for all the foods that are toxic to dogs. My dogs eat grapes too. But they've only ever had a couple and they only get them once every five years. ;) Px PS Not looking for the article now. Going for a swim. :D

Its a bit late if the pups are crossbreeds. Chances are it would make not any differece to tell the people what the issues are either. Its not the same if they are purebred. But, when the people aren't registered breeders then they will just take them to markets and such like. For registered breeders, you can't tell people how to home the pups they won't be using for their lines. However, I think it simply crass for a registered breeder to advertise in that fashion. I have thought of a kennel sign. But good luck to anyone who wants to take our dogs with them. :D Px

I have an article somewhere, and when I find it I wil put it up. But, there have also been threads on what foods are toxic to dogs and why. Px

So, would you let the dog tell you what its sperm count is? I'm not sure about stress and the Vet. If that's happening its time to change Vet. Can't the Vet come out to the property, after all a mating in situ with a fresh, uterine AI would be best if that's what the client wanted. My question is when would the AI be done before, after, next day? Nice tip about arginine but if it is an additive, its not instinctual. ;) Regards Px

There are other Specialists in Vic and sometimes a phone consult is enough. If your Vet can do everything the Specialist can do then what more could you want? Unfortunately, mine doesn't know a horses head from its .... well you know. As the article points out data from natural matings is not available because breeders do not pass on their records. But, of course, allow the dogs to mate naturally. As steve points out, if they can't then they shouldn't be mating. But you queried mating an older dog (naturally) followed by an AI. The World Small Animal Veterinary Association article is peer reviewed and quite clearly shows the advantage of mating and fresh, intrauterine AI over chilled, frozen and vaginal AI. As concerns the question of AI. It is only recently I was being told that just because I witnessed two dogs tie, it did not follow that the bitch was pregnant, and one of my girls was having a phantom. So, I have no doubt that you will weigh up the info. for yourself and do what you think is in the best interests of your dog. Good Luck

Had the same thought but OP would not be posting in the breeding forum if all af the above had not been passed.

Hi persphone. :) Grapes are not recommended for dogs. Px

Hi SLF. :) A background in Vet Nursing is not the same as doing small animal reproduction. Reproduction is a specialist area. You will need a Reproduction Specialist. Maybe Monash since you are in Vic. You might want to have your bitch tested for urerine and fallopian diseases and also herpes. Although an unused dog should not have any major issues. Prog. testing your dog will remove a lot of the guess work. You are on the right track with mating and AI. Mating only delivers to the vagina and at best is only equivalent to a Vaginal AI Intrauterine AI increaces the chance of whelping by 30% and the size of the litter by 2±0.49 Artificial Insemination in the Dog: What Can Be Learnt From Results in the Field? Feeding your bitch over the whelp and nursing is also important and there are excellent articles around. I am not giving any suggestions about whelping since even Reproductive experts will tell you to let the dog do it. But you need to be prepared and know what to look for. Regards. Px

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Hi Greyt. :) I saw parvo first hand out a Narrabri a few years ago. A Golden Retriever had survived it but was practically unrecognisable as a GR. Horrible symptoms. Blood soaked vomit and diarrhoea rocket out of both ends.

Its always good to try to consider what your dog would like.

Cute-is Well Done!

Dog attacks will always bring out the major issues. They also expose the ignorance and fallacies that misrepresent responsible dog ownership. The reports in NSW should have been investigated but I wouldn't want my dogs removed based on the complaints of some neighbour who has a malicious agenda. I think everybody knows of those meddling and interfering neighborours from hell. It can't be easy for the authorities having to decide what is a valid concern and what is just harassment. It is not easy telling someone they can't have the dog they want. I had a lot of that when I was investigating the Maremma. Some people do get a particular breed for all the wrong reasons, and other don't put the work into the dogs they are suited to either. The mantra has to be Deed not Breed because it applies to all dogs. I know Martin McKenna and I taught his daughter. I found his seminars quizzical to say the least. The Nimbin Dog Wisperer could have been talking about any dog that begins an aggressive attack. And, I noticed they plugged his book immediately afterwards. Its true that each pure bred dog breed was bred for specific conditions. So my stipulation for a triple criterion applies. Which dog, in which conditions, with which management practices will be the most efficacious. We have to always keep in mind that laws and regulations are about the management of people, more than they are about what our dogs might do. Regards Px

Yes, that's usually the case. But shouldn't you also be pointing out that pups are not fully covered until about week 14, after their second vaccination, but are being admitted to puppy school as young as eight weeks. Yep, I guess that is the risk though, socialisation vs illness ect. My girl was out and about seeing the world at 9wks and went to puppy school. Now she is in juvenile classes at 20wks and they did ask to see her vacc record. We were just discussing this in the gsd thread. It seems in many places the norm is just the 2 vaccs, here it has always been 3. I got the 16wk one done as well as KC as there was a recent outbreak with the local vet seeing at least 2 cases a day My girl too. But she was my first dog in decades and I was in here like a flash to get help, because the Vet was taking dogs as young as eight weeks for puppy school. The consensus is still the same, much to-ing and fro-ing between safe and risky. I was left with the same conclusion, risk versus socialisation. The turning point for me was the vouchsafe that the dogs would not be in the clinic but in an adjoining building where dogs/animals were not taken. Anyway we went socialising all over the area, not that she needed it. Atypical temperament for a Maremma, she was born dog friendly and people friendly. That was seven years ago, almost to the day, and the practice or discussion really hasn't moved on at all. Px

Hi chichihuahua. :) I've done both. Both worked out fine. I would take option 1 because: It's good to give your dog different experiences. It might be rough at your friends house the first time, but next time your dog will know what to expect. There is someone watching your dog 24/7. I left my big dogs by themselves for several nights with short visits by a pet sitter (friend) to feed and make checks etc, but I would not leave a small dog alone. Good Luck

Can't read it. Don't worry about the size. In digital code its practically nothing.

Ask Julie to resize it for you. I'm sure she's not that busy.

Yes, that's usually the case. But shouldn't you also be pointing out that pups are not fully covered until about week 14, after their third vaccination, but are being admitted to puppy school as young as eight weeks.