Tralee

No wonder so many dogs lives are just in the back yard. You can't go anywhere or do anything anymore, its all too bloody hard trying to please everyone with every little thing & it keeps changing. You dog can be gone from anywhere now, even your own property & you didn't think you were doing anything wrong. I would be so outraged if I went in a shop for a few minutes, tied my dog up safely & it had been seized by the ranger because someone complained. Never thought of that. I don't leave my dogs anywhere now. Too many odd people around well meaning or not. I can't believe it took four pages to get to this on a dog forum. A dog must be on a leash and under the effective control of a competent person over the age of 16. Just because a dog is not on a lead in an off-leash area, or is secured in a cage or vehicle or is tethered to a fixed object or structure, does not mean that an offence under section 16 is not committed if the dog rushes at, attacks, bites, harasses or chases any person or animal, whether or not any injury is caused. If your dog gets teased, provoked or hurt and then bites someone and you don't have a witness then you're stuffed. Clearly, we take a risk and put the dog in jeopardy leaving it tied up outside a shop. It might be cute but its not smart.

Don't treat me like an idiot please Jo, I didn't say they were the same, I said each to their own. Well, I don't have any children either. If I had to choose between someone elses' children and my dogs, my dogs would get precedence every time. I am responsible for my dogs, I am not responsible for other peoples children.

Thank goodness for our justice system, while not perfect some people (as shown in this thread) would hang people on a sniff that they did something wrong. Judge, jury and executioner! And as for making the comparison to nurses making error, who wouldn't have sympathy for a nurse who made an error that cost someone their life. Probably harder on themselves than anybody could be. Hmmmm our justice system, what a joke that is. Perpetrators of the crimes seems to have more rights and decisions/viewpoints going in their favour than the poor victims. Lack of accountability and every excuse under the sun being trotted out to defend the perpetrators actions . How about standing up for the victims more, screaming out for justice for THEM instead!! This innocent victim doesn't have a voice, she doesn't have a life anymore, thanks to the negligence of her carer. I for one will not stand idly by and try and excuse this person's negligence by blaming it on some form of memory lapse/forgetfulness . Lets not forget this poor dog DIED in the most HORRIBLE of circumstances This dog was going to provide a very valuable service and be the eyes for a poor blind/seeing impaired person. Ok, so what would you like to happen to the guy who has probably spent a lot of time helping blind people? And instead not standing idly by, what are you going to do? At the very least this person should lose their job and should not be allowed to ever work with dogs as he cannot be trusted to fulfill his duty of care to them . I have been a longtime supporter of guide dogs and will be rethinking this support if this person does not lose their job/role over this incident and if appropriate measures are not taken to prevent a similar situation from happening. I will be doing what I can to find out more about this incident and am seriously contemplating a social media campaign to draw attention to this incident and other similar incidents in an effort to bring some focus on the plight of service dogs losing their lives due to the their handlers negligence/failing to fulfil their duty of care What are you serious! If you calm down and relax then we should all be able to see that the fault is actually due to the type of transport. Quite clearly, a regulation needs to be introduced for the procurement and utilisation of special transport vehicles so that this type of tragedy cannot occur again. Are you serious - you think a different vehicle would have protected this dog from this person's negligence this person's negligence killed this poor dog, he left the dog in the car in extremely hot conditions, the dog died a terrible and painful death. This person needs to be held accountable, this person needs to lose their job and the Guide Dog Association needs to have much more rigorous procedures for the safe transporting of their dogs and hiring more responsible people to take care of these special dogs. So no I don't plan on calming down anytime soon over this senseless, cruel and totally preventable death of a valuable guide dog. Very serious. Cars are made for people not dogs. Just because dogs are transported in cars, with or without modifications, does not make the cars suitable for dogs. Clearly from this tradgey cars are not suitable for dogs. The employer has a responsibility to protect its employee. Until we know if any protocol was breached it is premature to make any kind of hasty judgement. There is contributory negligence on the part of Guide Dogs Association WA if there were no protocols in place for transporting their dogs in "passenger vehicles". Clearly, what we have here are a number of different views but I do not prescibe to the simple minded one.

Well I am shocked and stunned by your view Jed. Have you not considered that the Guide Dog Association has failed to consider all possible contingencies and staken the necessary steps to protect, firstly the dogs, and secondly its employees. I'm afraid the buck stops with the CEO of the Guide Dogs Association of WA. But I don't think Heads need to roll. This is a fortuitous tradgedy is some respects in that it should serve to prevent other dogs facing the same fate.

Thank goodness for our justice system, while not perfect some people (as shown in this thread) would hang people on a sniff that they did something wrong. Judge, jury and executioner! And as for making the comparison to nurses making error, who wouldn't have sympathy for a nurse who made an error that cost someone their life. Probably harder on themselves than anybody could be. Hmmmm our justice system, what a joke that is. Perpetrators of the crimes seems to have more rights and decisions/viewpoints going in their favour than the poor victims. Lack of accountability and every excuse under the sun being trotted out to defend the perpetrators actions . How about standing up for the victims more, screaming out for justice for THEM instead!! This innocent victim doesn't have a voice, she doesn't have a life anymore, thanks to the negligence of her carer. I for one will not stand idly by and try and excuse this person's negligence by blaming it on some form of memory lapse/forgetfulness . Lets not forget this poor dog DIED in the most HORRIBLE of circumstances This dog was going to provide a very valuable service and be the eyes for a poor blind/seeing impaired person. Ok, so what would you like to happen to the guy who has probably spent a lot of time helping blind people? And instead not standing idly by, what are you going to do? At the very least this person should lose their job and should not be allowed to ever work with dogs as he cannot be trusted to fulfill his duty of care to them . I have been a longtime supporter of guide dogs and will be rethinking this support if this person does not lose their job/role over this incident and if appropriate measures are not taken to prevent a similar situation from happening. I will be doing what I can to find out more about this incident and am seriously contemplating a social media campaign to draw attention to this incident and other similar incidents in an effort to bring some focus on the plight of service dogs losing their lives due to the their handlers negligence/failing to fulfil their duty of care What are you serious! If you calm down and relax then we should all be able to see that the fault is actually due to the type of transport. Quite clearly, a regulation needs to be introduced for the procurement and utilisation of special transport vehicles so that this type of tragedy cannot occur again.

I know you are kenneled up with Arawn until Autumn, but I am missing you way too much.

The probablity of this type of accident occurring in a dog centred industry would be what? High, Low. There would be a high probablity. The guy was working for the "Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA" and very possibly gave his time and energy above and beyond expectation quite regularly. It is a bit harsh then to show a lack of comprehension or empathy in a tragic accident of this nature. Dogs deaths are the worst type of accident but they are not uncommon even among professionals. Would you like a list? I could start with my ex-Vet, a certain dog grooming saloon, My Local Dog Ranger who I won't name at this time, a well known animal protection agency, one of the Canine Control Councils, do I need to go on?

Hi mel121 How old is this 'older dog'? You will need to test for a number of possible scenarios if you want to solve this mystery. First hypothesis. Extremely traumatic separation and journey to you from breeder. Suspect stress and anxiety and treat for same. Good Luck

It seems reasonable that they have offered to do the X-rays again at no cost. There could be any number of reasons why they've been lost. Its up to you then whether you continue with that Vet. My issues with an incompetent Vet. were more about the inepitude in the clinic and then asking for payment forhaving done a botched job.

I'd be doing this too. Beforehand, ask the Vet's from where it was sent what time of the day was it sent and to which posting receptacle or post office it was delivered/sent via. I'd be more than peeved too and it would be nice if the Vet would at the very least do some leg-work to help track it down. Dobesrock - is a GA absolutely necessary for the xrays you had done? Don't you think the Vet should be going to find the lost X-rays. I draw the line at having to do their job for them, or giving them the education they haven't got.

They can put the X-ray scans on a disc. Specialists usually do but that is what you would expect. I would be telling them that they are responsible for the X-rays until they are received. You should insist on having new X-rays at no cost. If they don't oblige, then its time for a new Vet.

Agree with dogmad for the same reason. Beagle breeder that we know also lost a pup (12 weeks). Shit happens I know but I would switch to a wing. My puppy buyers are advised that chicken necks are an absolute no-no for pups. I don't allow necks until the dogs are fully grown.

Do you have any suggestion for a meaty bone for a 4kg silky terrier? I can't give him chicken wings/neck because he's a gulper. And no weight-bearing bone because it will chip his teeth I sometimes buy soup bones. I look for the most meaty ones. Wollies also do lamb, beef and pork offcuts which they bag up and sell relatively cheaply. I buy them regularly and divy up the meat and bones between the three dogs.

That's what I was trying to say but I don't have any experience of what can happen. I am sorry about your friend's dog.

I give my dogs a chicken wing or a drumstick for breakfast On the weekend they regularly have chicken carcasses. We don't give puppies chicken necks at all, for obvious reasons, and I am surprised at the advice given here, especially as you are unexperienced. I would be blending the remaining necks, and not continuing to feed them whole at all. The amount you feed depends on the breed, and there are good guidelines about the weight of feed to give them each day on the back of quality dog foods. Just divide that into 3 to 6 feeds a day depending on the pup's age. Good Luck

A Maraud of Maremmas

Dark pigment in eyes is dominant. A lighter colour means the dog carries a recessive gene. The lethal genes are recessive. The dominant traits are the more hardier characteristics. The Maremma can have a colour which the Italians call 'Castanya'(sp!) which is solid black.

Consider another dog.

Puppy play is enough for young dogs. Leash training and socialisation is an exception to the rule. It is hard to resist showing off your dog, but you have to remember its age. Four months is like, just two and a half. And juveniles do not have a fully developed temperature regulation system. The hot ground will also hert its paws.

I have also posted this story and the link to my dogs' facebook page. Cazstaff, you now have an international audience. My further commiserations and condolences

Hi Jillee Restricted movement means restricted movement and for a staffy you may have to tie the dog down. I nursed a dog through arthrodesis last year but was lucky he was docile, and largely inactive. No explosive movements such as running, jumping etc You are lucky that you can get an operation just on the ligament. It must have been a minor injury. We did have instructions that we were to encourage the dog to walk toe to ground but your case may be different. Regards

Well this is something I will never forget and I realise its not much consolation but one of my dogs should never meet a similar fate because Cazstaff was brave enough to share it with us. Cazstaff I think the OH&S comments were a bit insensitive but irrespective of insurance or reasons for denying access, it is afterall a private business and there is simply no public access. I know that I was more impressed with QVS who allowed no access than with my ex-local Vet who let all and sundry tramp through the clinic.

OMFG This is all I have: My sincerest condolences.