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It is. Under the current law, I am liable as I am the 'publisher'. If the author can not verify the facts and you allow the post to remain then yes you could be accountable. I understand where you are comming from Troy. But if the story is truth you have nothing to fear. I'ts a can of worms and that's why I asked in the first place. If your no good at what you do or offer then it should be the first thing you read. Anyone mistakenly caught up in a slander campaign is easly protected by Admin. Anyone who is a shonk gets exposed.

Ok Sandra, I'll take some well respected breeders word that another breeder is dodgy over a person who has real first hand experiance with first hand dealings with said dodgy dealer. If the breeder is dodgy lets get them out there in the public domain. Good breeders can be biased. Bad breeders can be liars. Why should a court of law stop a public discussion of a first hand dealing with bad breeders. If there is first hand proof then why not. It's not Troys arse on the line its the authors.

Thanks RSG. I don't see why this forum can't have a valuable tool such as feed back section on Breeders. What Sandra has asked me and others to do is leave there fate in the Hands of info and references supplied by a Breeder. This sort of research ends up with stories such as mine and others. Anything that can be done to eliminate these guys are a plus for both buyer and quality breeder. With the sales of dogs available from o/s and interstate a feed back section for use as a resource is a no brainer in my opinion. Just because someone checks out with the ANKC does not mean there any bloody good. Word of Mouth and the internet are far superior ways of getting that info these days about a current or past breeder or a dogs history. Both Good and Bad.

Sandra, Your a breeder. Not a buyer. Your missing the point. I've asked you to take off your breeders hat and read it from a buyer perspective. The point is this is a leading Australian forum. Why in this Current internet savy society would you risk missing valuable info about a breeder. Good or Bad. People will still be stung after weeks of offline research. Why would you want to to promote this.

I have read all of this before. not one thing on that list relates to my purchase. Yet there was still not enough genuine info on the breeder to make me think it was a lost cause. If feed back on the breeder had been available then it would have been easier not to make a mistake. You are assuming a lot.Please read the whole thread again. All 8 pages. And all of the other info available on Blue. Don't read anything inputted from a breader who sells mainstream SBT's Where have I said any of the above apply to this dog. Did I say anywhere the dog was bred blue/blue. And you might catch on to what I and others have said about keeping our mouths shut. Is it the right thing to do. Does it promote a better dog.Does it improve the breed.Does it help stop bad breeders. There is no valuable information available to buyers about breeders.good or bad. This should be available. True or False?

Thanks ready set.you and sandra have been most informative around the forum. Buyer beware is pretty broad. That is my point about making buyers aware of circumstances surrounding my initial question. If you are Good at what you do you have nothing to fear. Nothing. Your good name will always be protected from one off's by the ratio of good to bad and the explainations or stories that go with them. People with genuine issues vrs people going about slandering someone for the hell of it are as as see through as glass. Should we not promote people who have had luck in finding a good Blue. You can not tell me all Blue's are a right off. They have a place and we need to work on raising there profile and quality. This goes along way to improve the standard and our system. It also goes along way to helping others make more informed decisions.

your assuming at lot of things. i did not buy the dog to breed from. If I choose to let her have a litter. Which may or may not of ever happened. It would be our choice.This choice is now off the table. If I choose to show her for enjoyment that is my choice. That is off the table. This was not a last minute purchase made on a whim. The dog was a replacement for a much loved family pet of 13 years. There are many happy blue owners. Many of whom frequent this forum. Many of the breeders out there who are genuinly interested in making it better should be appreciated or highlighted. In the same way as dodgy ones should be outed. You have to take things on face value. If you can not learn from other peoples mistakes then its pointless in having a forum that promotes pure breed dogs. Not allowing the mistakes to be made over and over is more to the point. The courts and its outcomes a side issue. Its about awareness. If you can search this forum and come up with genuine details of bad breeders then your more capable than I am. Not all people who have issues with blue are saying so from a neutral point of view.I have stood back and watched for quite some time. The best feedback is from genuine people who have genuine complaints or praise. If the information is there and visible then you have no excuses if you make an uninformed mistake. Letting people make the correct decision from other peoples experiences is my point.

I am a member of many forums. Most of these offer a Trader or Vendor feedback area. This site was one of the tools I used to research from. If there had been a section devoted to this as with the breed then it may have saved me. Troy does a fantastic job and should be commended. He should also try to help try to protect buyers from breeder not doing the right thing out there in the process. It makes sence to help where he can to improve the breeds of any dog. By having a section devoted to this with only first hand cases allowed then its an improvement to the cause. Telling people not to buy blue does nothing to promote and improve the breed.Nor does it promote genuine people who are trying to get it right by following the ethics guideline and making the breed better. Telling people not to buy from shonky breeders who have no real interest in improving a specific breed is more productive as a whole to breeding in Australia. If your a genuine breeder with an ethical view then you have nothing to fear. Neither does Troy from allowing this style of feedback. Dean

Although weary I went with a Blue with seemingly good history. the blue is not a lost cause and is improving all the time. Without peoples support they will not improve. Weeding out the guys who don't care about the ethics of improving the breed is vital. DOGS NSW do not want to hear from people with issues with breeders. They clearly advertise this in the monthly Mag. Regardless of how I handle it from a legal point of view offsite. The internet is a powerful search tool and was and is used to research the bread and the current crop of breeders. I would like my issue and the breeders name to pop up in any searches. This is how people are offered protection by this website and the internet when doing their homework. If i can save someone some heartache and money for someone then why not. Legally if my issues are true and factual and first hand then nobody involved with the running of this forum has any worries about me naming the breeder. Dean

Hi Guys, I have a bit of a gripe with a breeder.Some of you are breeders and will tell me I should have done my homework first blah blah blah. We recently lost our boy of 13 years to a car accident. We waited and grieved for a few years and when we where in a position to get a new pup and devote the time to it we spent countless months doing our research before Making the decision to get a Mains Reg Blue Bitch.I looked at all the issues and current owners I could. The breeder checked out and the Dad was of good breed.The mum upon inspection had had a hard birth but I had my suspicions she was being quickly turned around between litters. The first issue that arose was the wrong microchip registered by the breeder. Ok simple mistake. The second issue was that she was full of worms once I started worming at home. Demodex then reared its ugly head and the secondary infection that followed really hit the poor little girl hard. I have never seen a secondary infection so viscious. The last few months we have had her bought under control through chemical intervention by our vet. I approached the Breeder with the issues and was told offered a refund and told the paperwork would be fixed. I have invested good money on a Mains dog with the option of letting her have a litter before snipping her. I have since been ignored by the breeder with all my calls going to message bank and all emails going read and unanswered. I would like to name these shonks as they have a good name on the Mid North Coast and sell a lot of dogs. I was promised much then ignored completly by them once the decision was made to make them responsible. I would of been happy to have them fix the paper work and then refund the vet costs to bring her under control. I now have a dog we can't show/ Can't breed from and will have the threat of poor quality hanging over us for the rest of her life. Is it concidered ok to name the Breeders in this forum. I don't want anyone else risking there hard earned money and emotional trauma on a genetic disaster from these guys. Dean