Inevitablue

I used to work for Parnell (Glyde) and you are correct. MSM in JG has never been fully proven as an anti inflam. Much anecdotal evidence though, and it is used in human pharma. The registration process for nutraceuticals holds no water IMO though. For a symptomatic OA dog I would use Glyde as the results are within days. The GLM in Glyde is also broken down further than many with EPA, to a molecule ETA that more readily mimics natural molecules in the body. However, if I was using the product as a preventative or for an asymptomatic dog the I'd use JG as the levels of GAGs (chond & glucos) is over known (still for debate though) therapeutic thresholds. JG, I believe, is better balanced than SB. Glyde is soooo expensive now!! I saw it for $150 the other day. The JG would have stopped working for your dog because the pain associated with degeneration has increased to a point where the MSM cannot override/ mask it. The anti inflammatory properties of Glyde are stronger. Have you tried Cartrophen/ Pentosan/ Zydax injections yet?

Lol, don't worry, I haven't quite got to wearing the fan club t shirts yet!! I suppose because I feel like I gave up too soon with my old dog, instead of finding a better way. When I did find it, he could have won anywhere but he hated everything the white ropes represented and I didn't have energy to change that, plus we were having so much fun and success at agility. At home he did all the UD work but I had royally screwed up his enthusiasm for the 'boring' work. As for tricks, he did anything. One year he performed on stage at Pet Expo and did all naughty behaviour on cue. Dug holes, pulled clothes off a mini clothesline, jumped a fence and went and hid, chased his tail, barked, tore up material. Training that was so much fun. My challenge is now getting that enthusiasm with the 'tricks' set by the ANKC.

What percentage of time would you say you do at home and at a club? Im so curious if people train with a trainer/ mentor one on one or more in a club situation. What stops people having private lessons? Money, time, not as social, happy with their current progress? I used to have weekly lessons with Keith Edwards (like half of Sydney, lol) and my dogs and I improved at a greater rate than when I was in the club situation, especially when I had the deaf girl. A friend who was very successful (won both the open Agility and open Jumping at Sydney Royal one year) did most of her training at home.

Personally, I would like to see less heeling in Novice, but this is a sport I gain satisfaction from, and with the right training so does my dog so I have to work a bit harder/ smarter to get past the parts I'm not extra fond off. Hats off to Huski, I've mentioned it before but I'm impressed by what she has achieved with traditionally a breed not even remotely noted for it's aptitude for ANKC obedience. I know I, and many others, derive satisfaction from meeting and excelling standards set for us by other people. Any competitive sport has rules. When I'm racing my bike I hate standing starts, I always seem to wheelie off the line and lose position, but I'm not going to stop racing, and I also hate having to use a control tyre but that's the rules. I need to work on that skill. I know my dog can do many tricks, but I get a kick out of my skills and my chosen dog being tested against others and being pushed to improve what I do, outside parameters set by myself. We would all be winners if we wrote our own rules Thanks guys for posting on the first page the elephant trick. Have been working on it each night and I now have a dog who understands correct heeling position. From my first dog who learnt it under duress to changing my training style I was stuck for an idea on getting her super close to me. We had the attention and eye contact, but her position was not 100%. She is so keen we almost have a bum dance happening! Im curious how many people train at home as opposed to a club situation. My dog is too young to join an Agility club just yet, and I train for obedience at home, and use the time waiting around at shows to proof her. Herding and showing have been our main focus, but after the last herding trial in August it will be the challenge of the CCD.

My old dog would run and get help, Lassie style, only problem was he watched wayyy too much TV and always dialed 911! (joking)

My dog does all these things - except hassle the submissive dog - because she is the submissive dog. What my dog does that makes her so popular is match her play style to the other dog. If the other dog wants their ball back, she drops it immediately. If the other dog wants to be left alone, she does. If the other dog likes body slam, so does she. If the other dog says stop/had enough - she does. And yet there are some that are too rough for her, and they don't stop when she says she's had enough. Fortunately for me, she comes back to me when this happens and I sort the other dog, and owner if need be. I would be thinking some of that is due to her breeding being ACD cross, as well as your attributes as an owner. When not frustrated, under stimulated pains in the butt they are more aware of their body language than most dogs. I see it all the time with ACD's. I remember a thread a few months ago What's was the smartest dog you have ever met and ACD's were mentioned most. They just 'get it'. EDIT: my grammar appears sooo bad! I hate using this IPad with the predictive text I can't turn off, I go back to change one word in a sentence and it changes the whole sentence!

Totally agree with you Kavik, agility training to win requires commitment, skills and processes, but for the average 'there to have a nice day with my dog' competitor then agility is easier to title in and often presents less disappointments. Quite a lot of people say they tried obedience but it was boring, me being one of them 6 or so years ago. I titled my previous dogs in agility but gave up in obedience. Now that I'm doing the high energy style of obedience with my new dog it is sooooo addictive for both of us.

Without getting people offside, cause I don't mean to, just making an observation from my own experience and of those around me. It's human nature to enjoy tasks more that we gain success at. I think traditionally it has been easier to train a dog to get it's JD title than it is to get a CD. I think people get more success quicker with agility. Not taking away from those who win at agility, as that requires tactical training to win events, but as agility training is high energy, and the individual tasks broken down more (ie get your body over the jump) more dogs seem to enjoy it because it's seen as FUN. Take that high energy, fun aspect and transfer that to obedience and suddenly it is no longer a chore, the dog is super attentive and success happens quicker. Im yet to get back into the competition ring ( dog is still underage ) but I think obedience training is coming ahead in leaps and bounds. What I experienced 10 years ago (heel, check, heel, check) changing to training-in-drive being used by more people outside the working GSD, Malinois & co society is only beneficial for the sport.

I think more people would enjoy obedience more if they trained in the way Huski and co train. I hated obedience when I was first taught, so subdued and robotic. Years later with the same dog he came alive when I started working with a guy who did scent detection training. I was like 'so it's ok to be over the top, loads of excitement AND combine his obsession with balls' It's so much fun when it is fun! :D

I wouldn't, it's the owners fault for not controlling their little dog. Also, from what you have written if your dog is not reactive in that situation, if she was to snap at the little dog, I doubt it would be a life ending snap. My posts might make me seem like I don't like big, drivey dogs, it's the opposite in fact. My pet hate is people who make excuses for their dogs, and people with tunnel vision. I know a girl through another hobby and she would ring and complain that her 2 Labs kept getting attacked by other dogs. Stupid girl honestly thought she wasn't in the wrong by letting her uncontrollable and boisterous Labradors off lead in public and allowing them to bowl over random others and their on lead dogs. Her justification was that they were friendly Labs. Another case of someone failing to look at the bigger picture. A 35 kg male Labrador launching itself at people in full flight could break bones and seriously upset other dogs. Can you believe she even contacted council to put in complaints about the on lead dogs biting hers! I agree with a post earlier, it's not so much predjudice but wariness. There are breeds originally bred for the purpose of making people wary!

That is extremely offensive and rude. It's ok, some people fail to be pragmatic, or it could be the chip on the shoulder getting him/ her down. I could be cheeky and say this could be an example of a personality type that wants to own 'impressive' dogs ;) But I won't.

No, born and bred Aussie, with over a decade experience with Aust. Cattle Dogs ;) but what's that to you hey?! No need to try and talk sense to you. Apparently people are morons if they decide to not trust a certain breed, even if that breed had frightened them on numerous occasions. Oh, and I never once said GSDs and Rottie's were aggressive breeds, I just commented that people who cannot acknowledge that their chosen breeds, without training, can get into more trouble than some others are the slightly delusional ones ;)

Wow, what did I say that was so moronic!? Proven what point, that because I'm not saying 'ooohhh gosh I'm in love with GSD's and Rotties'? Get your head out of the clouds and realize that your chosen breeds, along with so many others, have certain drives & desires that need guidance, socialization and training to make sure they don't get them into trouble in a human dominated world. So defensive.... My chosen breed for the past decade has been mentioned more in this thread than yours. It's not a personal attack on you, your choice of dog or your individual dogs.

Owners of breeds that fail to acknowledge the heritage of their beloved breed, fail to acknowledge the percentage breakdown of personalities attracted to their breed of choice are more likely to make biased comments. Some people do themselves no favours with head in the sand attitudes of what their breed is capable of without correct training, and using their own insular experience with their own dogs to say that people are unjustified to be wary of breeds which they HAVE had exposure too, even if it is just at the dog park.

No, people are saying that they should stop being exported live, and be processed here and sold as a packaged product.

I'm a bit hooked. Was at Erskine Park today showing and I kept wistfully looking over at the State Titles. Went for a wander over there but Tess got a bit too excited and vocal at seeing sheep for me to stay for too long. How much harder is the PT than the HT?

Cattle dogs can be very hard to read, it's been well observed that they will conciously mask their body language to get what they want.

Too funny.... Wonder when the next Suez Canal needs constructing!

I'm feeling a bit inadequate, I won't be on any stand I'm just showing, but I'm going to make my gazebo the unofficial stand of the friendliest ACD's you will ever meet! My breeder and I will have 3 there. Come over for a cuddle :D

Each week my 5 mo girl keeps finding new things to bury. She has always hidden treats and toys throughout the house, inside shoes, behind the DVD player, behind the cushions on the lounge. She no longer gets pigs ears unless she eats them in front of us, and the other night she did some tricks then took the piece of cabanossi she was rewarded with and put it behind the DVD player (low line entertainment unit) then turned to get the newspaper on the coffee table to cover it with! The toys she has in the backyard are kept neatly in one hole, uncovered. Although when I found a sock in the hole we started to keep a closer eye on what leaves the back door! This morning was the funniest though, out walking and she is a stick collector as we walk, but when I stopped to talk to a friend, she dug a little hole on the council strip, placed a stick then covered it with leaves.

My pup got that, was told not to worry and it would disperse within a week, and it did.

So no diazepam for sedation/ methadone for pain combinations? My memory is fading with all that stuff, I knew lots of vets who used Pamlin/ Valium.

For the few dollars extra, I'd use the Alfaxan. I'm happy to have Prop in my dogs, but if I had a sighthound I'd insist on Alfaxan As for premed, there are better people on here to answer that. My suggestion would be Diazepam instead of ACP, but happy to be stood corrected

I worked for Jurox, if you ring either Sarah or Amelia, the Sydney reps they can get you a copy of the study. It was published in one of the technical updates 2 years ago. Or if you just ring Jurox and ask for Dr Brad O'Hagan I'm sure he would be happy to email/ fax it to you. Edit, Alfaxan celebrated its 10 year anniversary last year I think, so relatively not that new, but most vets started off just using it in cats. Interestingly I work with veterinary stem cells extracted from fat, and the viability of the cells is really compromised when Thio has been used. Why vets still use it is beyond me, cheap and nasty stuff, and now what I have seen what it does at a cellular level I wonder if animals given Thio heal slower than those given a non barbituate. Might be hard to measure in an observation sense, but obvious at the cellular level.

Alfaxan, extensively proven as the safest in sighthounds.