BlackJaq

This is what I was thinking.

Sorry I mean we don't have pet insurance so I don't think they would cover this if we went and got cover now

Wow what a great result Donatella! I agree and am extremely reluctant to go with the amputation, but repeated surgeries just won't be do-able for us (and pet insurance won't cover pre-existing conditions ) I guess your girl was lucky being such a tiny dog probably helped a lot with the healing, too

Thank You Kavic and Silentchild. I am kind of scrambling around atm, trying to see how much money I can come up with and also wrestling the urge to call my vet to ask her some more questions right away.. I doubt she would have had time to talk to Wagga again, but I am not good at waiting What was the recovery like for your dogs? And how did you do it? I am guessing we will probably want/need a crate because even the most obliging dog probably won't just stay on her dog bed for what must feel like an eternity to them... We are also having some trouble with toileting, because the puppy has been sleeping outside so far, with inside time when we are home... She kind of announces when she needs to go but you only really notice if you are in the same room.... She pretty much gets restless and starts looking at you.. Sometimes she whines but only very low and if nobody attends right away she seems to just go (not being able to hold pee for long might be related to a weak sphincter muscle due to the underdeveloped penis poking out)

Incidentally I saw this today: http://www.examiner.com/article/doberman-bred-and-missing-legs-lights-up-social-media?cid=taboola_inbound

So my Oh's puppy Tiger, who has previously featured in this thread: http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/251865-hermaphrodite/page__p__6295634__hl__hermaphrodite__fromsearch__1#entry6295634 ), has now unfortunately got a broken leg, courtesy of me It was only her second outing in town, when I unclipped her collar from the back of the ute and she unfortunately forced her way out of my arm and jumped off the side. She went in for x-rays and the first x-ray seemed good, with a lump of what appeared to be soft tissue on the inside of her upper arm, just below the elbow (hope that makes sense). She was very lame and I'd suspected a fracture but presumably the equipment at the vet's might be a little (ok very) outdated and there was no fracture visible. Two weeks later the lump was very much reduced in size and the lameness was only occasional and she went in for follow up x-rays. Unfortunately the change was dramatic and there is now clearly a fracture visible. After the first x-ray, we didn't splint the leg and only gave pain killers , assuming it was only a minor injury, though we did rest the dog as much as possible without crate containment. It now appears on the x-ray that there is a piece of bone that has died of and after consulting with the Wagga vet hospital, it is now clear that surgery is the only option. While waiting for their opinion we have had a splint on the dog and continued to rest her. Unfortunately I have no experience with injuries like this and during the last appointment (for the second set of x-rays) the vet also noticed a funny heartbeat (she called it a "galloping" heart beat I think, where the beat is irregular and close together for a few beats). Has anybody else got any experience with this kind of surgery? Or GA with a dog with an iffy heart beat? Wagga has quoted around $2500 for the surgery, performed by their specialists. My vet is going to chat to them to see what exactly they would do and how they would do it, to see if we might be able to attempt surgery at their clinic here instead, hopefully making it a bit cheaper. Alternatively we could amputate the whole leg. Does anybody have experience with large dogs as tripods? The puppy is thought to be around 9-10 months old now and she weighs around 25 kg.. I am not sure how large she might get but I am concerned at the consequences of amputation for the rest of her legs.. Having some other issues makes me concerned that she might be likely to have trouble with her hips or remaining elbow later-on (although obviously I don't know for certain, being a pound dog we have no idea of parents, previous history etc). The fracture itself is pretty strange, it seems the bone broke cleanly cross ways, not along the length. Not sure where the dead piece of bone came from? The vet in Wagga said he'd only ever seen a similar injury (with the necropsied bone) in a punctured fracture before, but there was no opening in the skin at all, just a lump on the inside of her leg.,, The possibility that a previous injury or fault may have exacerbated the problem has been mentioned.... At this point I am looking at a $700 minimum, that would be the amputation, which I am not keen on. My vet thinks surgery here might add up to at least $1000 and longterm antibiotics will be necessary in either case. What are the chances of surgery on the bone getting all the bad tissue? I definitely can't afford to do the bone surgery and then the amputation on top of that, so I kind of need to choose one or the other. The $2500 are pretty much out of my reach, so surgery here looks like the only viable option either way.... I would love any input and experiences that anybody else may have..

Well I guess I agree with this part.

Declaring those two dogs Dangerous will also have zero impact on this kennel. What makes you think they would be punished by this?

I think you might have some unrealistic expectations of dogs... Dogs kill each other fairly regularly when their humans do not control them properly, and it's not just staffies either. Small dogs are probably in more danger than big dogs... And plenty of dogs are either DA, reactive or have high prey drive (making them prone to try kill SWFs). These dogs exist and I bet some of the DA dog owners here might disagree that they should be put down on these grounds. Presumably these owners also make sure their dogs cannot hurt another, but some of them have also come forward here and said their DA dog was put with others in boarding... How devastated do you think those responsible owners would be if their dog killed another while they were away and thought they dog was safely contained at a kennel and unable to harm any other animals? Having their dog declared dangerous on top of that would help nobody.

I have a road cone in my ute for that reason... I guess two might be better (one for each direction)

How do you die from stopping? Just curious

Well I guess there is a big difference between a registered breeder selling a dog on breeder's terms and asking to use the dog to a Joe Blow pet owner deciding to let Rex have at neighbor's bitch because they would make cute puppies. I'm not saying this dog is super special, I obviously have no way of knowing, but some breeds like the Weimaraner constantly struggle with a narrowing gene pool, which is not helped by so many dogs going to pet homes and being spayed/neutered. I can see why a breeder would like to keep as many of their (good quality) offspring intact as possible to allow a greater choice in dogs and bitches to breed from without keeping a large herd of dogs in their own home. I personally disagree with the lack of health testing, but with no required tests it is up to the breeder's discretion. I would always prefer to buy a pup from a breeder who does test what it is possible to test for though, regardless of any show record (I would be more interested in the working history :p )

Wow, nobody actually knows what the situation was but the two dogs should be declared dangerous? Dogs of all sizes and breeds can end up in a fight, especially if they are unknown to each other, there is no human supervision and the possibility of toys or food being present has not been ruled out... A well placed bite from a staffy (or an equally or bigger sized dog) could accidentally kill a dog, even if that was not the intent of the bite.... I think blaming the staff is appropriate, but not the dogs, surely....

I guess there either haven't been many Weims known to be affected or they are simply too rare for people to worry? Personally I would check both but if it is not a requirement then you can disagree until you turn blue but most people will not do anymore testing than they have to (so if there is no requirement in Australia for Weims then I guess many people will be happy not to test anything). In Germany no license to breed is granted unless HD testing produces good results (as well as temperament and hunt testing). It's a shame at least the health requirements have not been adopted from the Country of Origin.

Does your friend actually want to take a stud fee?

I would expect HD testing at the very least but I don't actually think it is a requirement(I am not a breeder though, so don't quote me on that) They are generally said to be a pretty healthy breed although I know of a few issues that seem to be becoming more common. None of those have a test though as far as I know. If the puppies are the same sex it can be pretty much impossible to tell them apart without ID (collar, chip etc) and either way, if I were the breeder I would tag them anyway to make sure vet work, chip numbers, worming etc do not get confused. If you keep a folder each or whatever, clearly stating colour, then you can quickly and accurately note down weight, worming and vac details and all the other stuff breeders should keep records of. Since I don't know of any prescribed health testing I would like to know that the breeder has some kind of records for the family history (things like auto immune diseases, lipomas etc seem to be getting more frequent with Weims ) but even if the breeder has such record, they might not think it necessary to share them with the owner, since the breeder is planning and looking after the mating etc. The stud fee thing kind of depends on what your friend agreed to. If there was an agreement to have the dog available for stud duties and in exchange the purchase price was reduced, or if there was an agreement for pick of the litter or a certain stud fee then these things should be adhered to, but without knowing what was agreed on you cannot possibly make a judgement.

Thank You Rainy, I am located between Orange and Parkes but I have been travelling all the way to Dubbo for Obedience... If anybody has any good club tips for nearby I'd love to hear them (as I said, I am willing to travel a fair way if necessary)

My dog was lying down, too. Unfortunately that doesn't make him immune to gravitational forces lol If he wasn't strapped in I'm pretty sure he would have lost some teeth on the dash

We have an el cheapo type harness from the farm center with a fabric loop that you can thread the seatbelt through... Have landed myself + dog in a ditch with it and it did a surprisingly good job at holding the dog in his seat. Not sure about whiplash and stuff but the dog didn''t collide with the dash (was in single cab ute) and was fine afterwards..... I was going about 110 (which is the speed limit on our highway) when I encountered a patch of gravel and a watertruck with a line of cars behind it waiting for me around a corner.. There'd been no signage about this what-so-ever so I had to slam the brakes on to avoid hitting the line of cars and could not use oncoming lane due to lack of visibility.. I ended up having to choose between skidding into the rear of a car or off the road (thankfully there were no trees and only a gentle grassy slope, no ditch) so I chose the nature strip.... Not sure what speed we were going by this point but the dog, the ute and I were all fine... Might have been different for the dog without the harness though, it was a somewhat bumpy ride down the slope...

I have troubling naming stuff as well.... Worst of all is when I forget what cue I've been using.. I got Foxy spinning around her front legs but can't remember which cue I used for which direction now.. So I';m confusing the crap out of both of us

Gorgeous! Both of them!

Awww are there pictures??

I also agree with Dyzney. I have managed to raise myself a bad/fussy eater in this manner and I certainly learnt my lesson. Have always struggled with her weight and she will hold off eating her dinner in case something better comes along :p She is three years old and the behavior is pretty well ingrained now, she has me trained very well :laugh: Since she now works a lot (dog sports + hunting and training for both) I am really struggling to keep her weight up. We are now trying out another kibble to go with her raw food but recently I have felt I had no choice but to let her graze in an attempt to get her to eat enough. She is taking to the new food (Advance Active) really well so I am hoping to be able to get back to proper meals rather than just having food out all the time.

Just FYI I own a cat. I don't hate cats. I own a large property and my cat is an outdoor cat. I understand that if a dog chewed on him or a car ran him over (however remote the chance with us being many km from the next road and property) it is my fault. I would not keep another cat this way. If for some reason I decided to get another cat after this one passes, it would be kept in a cat proof enclosure from the start. Enclosures are not that difficult to acquire and they are getting pretty affordable now. If all else fails, you can probably knock one up from scraps or second hand materials. So tell me again, what exactly is the issue here? That people are saying that maybe the cat owner has a teeny tiny bit of responsibility for what happened to her cat? Or that people are annoyed that another anti pitbull thing based on hearsay and breed bias is being flashed around on the news, over an event that would not usually be newsworthy at all. Clearly, from the media's point of view, this is about a pitbull attack, not a cat being mauled by a dog

Thank You HW! I only just had time to read the article (I don't think I actually noticed the link before ) I'm feeling pretty bad now for not telling the instructor to bugger off.... I have no idea how to break to these people that my dog was well within her rights to reprimand this puppy so I guess I might just leave it at that and not return... I have noticed other things that I found worrisome and not ideal to teach to dog owners looking for guidance and since I ahve no idea how to improve things (or even bring them up without looking like a douche) I guess I would just feel uncomfortable going back