BlackJaq

Why? are bite sports not allowed in Vic?

My local farm center has cattle (or calf?) prods the size of one of those old mobile phones.. They aren't all that large and definitely fit in my purse. I don't own one, just thought it might be interesting to know.

No, they recommend to wait and see if she will come on heat as this usually makes the genitals swell up a little and they stay bigger after the first heat than when they are babies, so the vet hopes that this may help cover it up a little. They are very reluctant to operate atm as she is not having any issues and it would be a pretty fiddly reconstructive job which may not really be necessary. If she has no female sex organs internally then this will obviously not work.... I guess checking it daily to make sure there are no grass seeds or injuries will be necessary. Not sure what age the vet will want to de-sex but personally I would still like to leave it until 18 months or so as she will be a large-ish dog and I am not a fan of early de-sexing in large breeds, unless she is going to have an issue with this. But even if she has internal testes, I don't think they will become a problem in that time frame....

Here is a photo, not very spectacular unfortunately but it was hard enough to make her stay still for this

Thanks for all the replies, feeling a bit more optimistic now. I will take a photo after dinner for those who are interested I guess all we can do for now is wait and see how it develops as she gets older. Apparently the vet said there is bone in it, so it's reasonably well developed penis.... OH is slightly disturbed about it still but getting used to the idea. He was pretty freaked out when he got home from the vet and I got I nice earful on pound dogs because I was the one who showed him her photo and I also got a dog from the same pound previously lol :p

So my OH has just taken in a puppy from a pound... When puppy arrived, we noticed she had a little pink bit of something sticking out of her privates but since she seemed in no pain and it was the weekend we got a vet appointment for today to have it looked at. OH is on his way back from the vet now but he told me when I phoned to hear how they went that the vet thinks it might actually be a penis and she likely urinates out of it. She cannot retract it at all as far as we can tell and the vet says we pretty much need to wait and see how she goes and how it develops. The vet is unsure what her sex might be on the inside. There may or my not be testicles or ovaries. OH is pretty concerned that the "penis" will be a grass seed magnet and also a hotspot for infection as it is continuously being exposed (an sat on). There has not been any internal imaging or anything yet, as we are still waiting to be sure she will not come down with parvo or anything before spending any large sums of money. She has been here since Saturday. So has anybody ever had anything like this? How did it end? Any issues? When did you de-sex? I have no photos at the moment.... ETA: Vet guesstimates she is about 6 months old

I would seriously look into keeping your dog inside the house when you cannot supervise him seeing as he has fear issues that you do not want to aggravate. And you can buy portable dog runs. Just get a sheet of gal mesh to lay under it for flooring so he cannot dig out, any farm center or steel place will have them. This way the whole thing is portable and does not require a slab. You will need a piece of mesh slightly larger than the run so the panels of the run stand on top of it and there is no gap. I even found concrete mesh (which is cheap) works fine for large dogs. Anything his shoulders won't fit through will be fine (for the floor). Your dog sounds like he is very stressed by the situation, which in the long term can have a very bad impact on the dog's mental and physical health, not to mention the fact he has already had success once now, he will not forget this. Is there any reason why he cannot be inside where he is safe from these negative stimuli?

Get him scanned by your vet to see if he even has a chip, if not get him chipped. I strongly suggest you build a solid internal fence, about 50cm or so from the boundary fence. This should stop the dog being able to reach the colourbond fence and the gap will be small enough to not make him want to jump over the internal fence. Maybe let him inside when that kid walks past and even when you are not home. If this is not possible then you will need a secure run inside your yard, like a kennel to stop him getting so worked up and fence running. ETA: Try a hose or spray bottle (with water) to snap him out of it when he goes off. Leash him if necessary so you can correct him immeditely. This is not acceptable behaviour in suburbia and can escalate badly, especially if he actually gets out.

That's very true, it's often the parents who have encouraged the kids to approach in the first place, it's as if they feel its there right to insist on their kids patting my dog. Some parents are very good though, they'll ask me first before involving their kids. This really gets my goat as I had similar issues with my horse when I was living in town still. I actually caught somebody popping their kid over the fence into the pasture so the kid could pat the pretty horsey. If the pretty horsey kicked that pretty head off the kid's shoulders there would be hell to pay.. for me! But even with the dog, I get people walking past and just kind of holding out their hand and wiping at Foxy's head on the way past.. She dodges them as she does not like the whole pat on top of the head thing but really, it is very annoying and she shouldn't have to. And this is adults, not children!

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Around my area they could hardly become anymore complacent... I think the stuffed toy comment is pretty much spot on

I would not choose a sire in such a manner. I am already forging connections with Weimaraner breeders in Germany and intend on visiting any potential semen import donor when I am in Germany to see my family. I also intend on seeing the dog out working and in the home and I will view all his test scores and speak to the Club and other members as the community is tightly knit and many members regularly hunt together (including their dogs) so I would be able to get several independent opinions on the dog. I would no sooner pick a dog from a catalogue or website without meeting him than I would buy a car without test driving it and having a mechanic check it.

It would be funny if my experience hadn't been so scary.. I was terrified that kid was going to loose his nose and I'd have to give Foxy a new identity somewhere in Mexico....

Just wanted to mention they are not legal to use in NSW :/

Sadly I predict that enforcement of such a thing around here would be about the same as it is for leash laws right now - zilch

The point is probably moot anyway as I did not see any "No Trespassing" signs. However, if I am going to argue in court I would rather stick to the letter of the law, not the interpretation of individuals. The officers that attended my property must have felt the same, as they left. I was not summoned to the station either, which means whatever they wnted could not have been that important after-all

But that is not a legitimate reason as per the law. *sigh* I think this argument is pointless if you are going to ignore the exact wording of the law and chose your own rules.

I leave if I see people approaching with their children because most people around here have no dog sense at all. Back when Foxy was a puppy, around 8 months old, I tied her in the shade outside Maccas while I ran in to get a cup of water for her. I purposely tied her away from the entrance in the corner of the parking lot that was closest to window where I could see her and I never dreamt that people would approach her or even notice her. Well, I was nearly at the door when to my horror I saw some parents with a group of kids, who appeared to be walking toward her with one noisy boy around 5 running ahead at full speed with his arm raised at the dog. I just about shit a brick right then and dropped the cup and bolted for Foxy to shield her with my body or something, but the kid was quicker and of course his parents were totally oblivious to the fact that Foxy had flattened herself to the ground at the end of her leash as far away as she could get and was growling ferociously. Anyway, long story short, I didn't make it in time but Foxy jumped up with her hackles up, thinking the kid was going to hit her and roared and air snapped a few cm away from the kid's arm, which then sent the kid running back to his parents. I am pretty certain she could have got him if she wanted to, so I was pretty glad she left it at a warning and nobody got hurt. Lesson learnt, I only ever leave her inside the car now and only when it is not hot obviously. Surprisingly, the parents actually realized what a shithouse idea it was to mob a strange (and not exactly tiny) puppy with their kids where it could not get away and they apologized I was gobsmacked and obviously I got the hell out of there like my pants were on fire

This is from the article in the OP.

I actually like this idea. Many dogs we meet when out and about should certainly not be unmuzzled until their owners can exercise better (or any) control over them.

What was their legitimate reason? There is no mention of "questioning" somebody being a legitimate reason. They were here to question me, too. But they can summon you to the station if it is really necessary. I do not dislike the police but I enjoy my peace and quiet, especially on my own property as I believe I have a right to. As does everyone else.

From having carried and used a 9mm, 40cal S&W pistol with hollow point rounds as part of standard gear in a former job, and during that job, having used it to euthanase numerous injured animals... and then obviously seeing the results. Some people don't just pluck information off the internet and take it as gospel, they may actually have life experience. Ok well my real life experience from hunting with various hollow point rounds of different calibres is that it's an immediate drop with a big mess. I guess the big mess could be on the inside of that dog, depending on the trajectory. They will find out if they autopsy it. Sorry for not relying purely on the internet for my information, oh sorry, I mean taking it as gospel...

:) So unless Police were invited or had a warrant or a legitimate reason under the law to be there (note: questioning occupants is not on the list), then there may be a case for the owner to bring civil charges of trespass and potentially damage of property as well. The article seems to imply the owner is pretty emotionally unstable so I doubt she herself will take any legal action in any case.... BlackJaq, like all law, its not that straight forward. Where the line of "private property" is drawn is variable. Generally there is an implied license to enter residential property that goes as far as the front door. You can revoke that license for the general public but both legislation and common law give police and a range of other people limited powers to enter for the performance of particular duties. And of course there are also easements on most properties that permit essential services workers access to maintain them. Generally a police officer does not need to be invited to attend your property to knock on your front door and ask you a question. They cannot enter your house without your permission unless they are in possession of a warrant that authorises them to do something that would otherwise be unlawful. It's also worth noting that for the incident we are discussing, the police were not conducting a search. Of course this is far more straightforward in the ACT where, by law, we are not permitted to have front fences. Um as far as I can see this is a quote from the actual legislation. So I assumed that the actual law is.. You know.. The actual law. Just because they do not adhere to the law and people do not challenge them when they do not, how does that negate the law? In a situation where police were on my property uninvited and with no legitimate reason as per the act I can and have asked them to leave and they did. If they shot my dog in the process then I would certainly take legal steps because they had no authority to be there. If they could see me strangling somebody through the window or if they pursued somebody onto my property, then obviously they now have a legitimate reason to be there. I m not about to give up my personal rights just because other people are cool with that...

This is interesting also, I am sure the rulings can be verified against the public court information by somebody with more time on their hands, the blog lists some charges and their rulings of trespass brought against Police: http://peopleofthecommonwealth.blogspot.com.au/2009/12/high-court-rulings-on-trespass.html

Here you go, this is the legal situation for police entering your property in Vic: http://www.lawhandbook.org.au/handbook/ch10s02s03.php :) So unless Police were invited or had a warrant or a legitimate reason under the law to be there (note: questioning occupants is not on the list), then there may be a case for the owner to bring civil charges of trespass and potentially damage of property as well. The article seems to imply the owner is pretty emotionally unstable so I doubt she herself will take any legal action in any case....