Whisper

thankyou all for the advice and thankyou rusky that would be appreciated. started another post on this topic also a minute ago regarding new homing hoping for responses. whisper.

he is currently in the process of getting immunised as we weren't sure if he had been so to be safe and for my peace of mind we are getting him done. my vet reccomended starting at 6 week vaccinations so he is only on to his booster. so i guess i would have ot wait to enroll him for a few more weeks. start in the new year i guess. being small isn't always that bad though i guess except nods in agreement he can pull very hard getting him to the point on short leash rule hand centimetres away form collar to get him walking ot heel. getting there slowly. i weigh only about 13kg more than my dog highly annoying tee hee hee no wonder they think i am underweight lol. yeah i don't want to get rid of him as i don't believe that is the right thing to do i think that is the easier way out and i like to be difficult to. fiance got him for me so i don't want to give him the option of getting rid of him. after his vaccinations are up to date we are looking at enrolling him for socialisations purposes also and because i think he may a bit bored new scenery may do him some good. thankfully i convinced other half to give hima second third and fourth chance so fingers crossed.

okay. thanls again for all the advice i am receiving (that looks wrong stupid english rules) i really am curious and asking for help as i thought others may of expreienced the same or similiar problems and would have advice. rusky in response to feeding i feed him in the caravan makes it easier. am giving bunbury a call tomorrow and hopefully there is something around. Does a dog have to be fully immunised before you can train or what. perth demanded i had papers to prove immunisation etc is this true?? he has been given too many toys of late so i brought him a ball that food goes in and you adjust the hole to a certain size he had it for under half an hour and had figured out how to open the hole was not happy clever thing. will always try reward him with different things love, food, toys, walk etc so he doesn't begin to expect the same thing each and every time i give him a command. i wouldn't chain check him as it bring sback too many painful memories of my other dog, so i purposely brought him actually fiance brought him a collar with studs to make him look tough, doesn't work smacking with a mobile phone the poor rotti that i believe is very nasty and cruel. i can see how people could say hitting with a hand is also cruel as well. i wouldn't want to make him associate smacking meaning that is bad as you said tess32 so thinks i better be extremely careful about how i handle situations. i never realised that could happen just thought it was a quick way of adjusting dogs behaviour. praying he improves shortly as fiance said to me last night he has been thinking long and hard about getting rid of him, yesterday didn't help. he said if he got rid of it he would buy me a pure bred puppy (boxer i would hope but not yet) to replace him. i told him if we did that i would feel like i was one of those ppl who buy a pup for Christmas etc can't train it so it gets dumped i do not and will not do that but he does get final say unfortunately. please keep your fingers crossed that pup's training will improve dramatically in the next few weeks because the way he is going he doesn't have a forever home (as i see it is called) for very much longer (although i definately want him to stay forever)

i am heeding all advice and do not want to cause arguments. i do not want him PTS and i will be putting into practice everything ia m reading to help the situation. if worst comes to worst i hope it doesn't i will try rehome him away from kids. we'll see what tomorrow brings. a new day a new beginnign

thanks for the bunbury number rusky i will give them a call. before i go any further please excuse my typing it is attrocious tnite i know. i reward with food, petting and toys when we are having a training session and he responds well to either. i haven't done any training with him around little little kids as we have had none around. i assumed (guesses this is wrong) that because he is alright with my sister he would be fine with kids. and also as he is fine with the shitzu and my 10wk old kitten again he would be safe. we only let him off lead if we are around and there is noone else otherwise he stays on the lead and i let it go, (needds to invest in an extendable lead for beach play) so that if need be i can grab it. around the children today i had ahold of his lead. the trainign has been going well with pup obnly a few hiccups errupt here and there hence what i have written about. he was only puinshed with collar correction as put today as it was the easiest way with the lead in hand also to keep him to heel heavn't quite trained him to heel yet he still pulls and runs ahead am making progress though. holding his collar meant i had complete control over him. my dog is pretty strong and i stand a measly 5 foot short i know the dog is already wasit height on me on all fours shoulder height standing up so he can be quite dominating in appearance although i did think he was placid today am not sure though. hi pewithers i have only had one dog that lived past puppy hood in my life i am only 19 (now this may make people think i am a nuicanse teenager bue i aint i love all animals and i wouldn't want to hurt them) that was a boxer who died five months ago at 11 she choked whilst i was at work i still get tears in my eyes thinking about her. i wanted another pup from the time she died she wouldn't of wanted me to bne lonely. i wanted a boxer, fiance wanted a rotti we compromised and got a freebie out of paper he was 16 weeks had him a month now, as i said no forthcoming info on pup at all. i sometimes do feel intimadated at the way people respond i am not a breeder or shower nor wish to be i want a friend for life and thats what i am trainign for. ever dog will have a hiccup no such thing as a perfect trained dog no matter what any one tells me i have seen even police dogs do bad things thankyou for being so nice and friendly pewithers your advice is justified and i agree with you i will say hi for you, you do the same to your pets please. thanks so far my knowledge is expanding ( i think

okay so sought of like a high fenced wire cage like the police dogs are kept in?? or is it like a dog carrier only bigger?? i could get one of those placed in the back yard dad will make it if i ask nicely ( okay if muzzling is not reccommended all the time would you reccommend it if i took him for a walk or not at all?? we moved a week and a half ago and before the move we never noticed or noted any really bad behavioural problems, his training seemed to be going well until the move and now his temperment, behaviour etc has changed like all the training we did went out the window. 6 months and he is cured hey is that in or out of the yard as well. i am 6 months off of getting married and then hope to start a childlike family need to know i can trust my dog with other children i also know to introduce babies slowly and let dog know that he hasn't been demoted so to speak in pack order. will remind mum as her dog is no angels it thinks chickens are meals on wings tee hee hee bad joke okay sorry but i don't want him to be PTS for something that i agree is not his fault i know the previous family had young children maybe something happened that i wasn't aware of. they were not forth coming with any of his temperment, behavioural problems or anything like that. was very very skittish for first week cowered, wet everywhere, wouldn't have a bar of his leash, couldn't bed him although they had a kennel etc. thankyou for advice am reading it and drinking it all in.

i believe the look also corrected my dog's behaviour. i can 80% of the time with words get dog to sit, stay, drop, and come. if he has been told and disobeys all i need say is uh or ah and looking directly at him commanding his attention into my eyey a little and he stops. i do realise a lok can say a thousand words and it does make it easier to get my dog to obey me. if i command him of something i make sure i am looking him directly in my eyes or i signal where i want him to be. i know he is testing m e i see it in his eyes he says to me you say that i will try this and see the response i get. i found the training tips i recieved from the veterinary nurse who as i aid was a qualified trainer at the training around the corner from where i used to live unfortuantely was on a tues night only and i worked. i have just moved and am yet to find a dog traingin school in busselton don't know my way around much either if oyu know of any wa'ers let me know please as i do want to get him involved in obedience possibly and agility. he is a avery clever yet trying dog always pushing. i have been training him since the day i got him correcting him of his past training from previous owners as this is his bad habits they had no discipline as where he was staying it wasn't there dog but the owner lived away in the navy very rarely seeing pup so i don't think he had any basic training what so ever that is why they were giving him away. i have been trying to correct his disobedience and have worked out several faults, he is now obeying me most of the time. i notice the two dogs often rumble for pack order not sure of what it is as he is very placid with other pup and kitten all i need say is friends and he calms right down, his little attack took me by surprise today.

yes i am really glad i had the leash on my dog as every day we take him to the beach we let him off have a long run a game of fetch and a swim, but today as i saw they were little kids i kept the leash on him should i need to catch him only letting the leash go when i was some distance away at the campsite seperators. i'm not sure of what penning or crating is i guess some sought of cage??? where do i go about finding crates etc?? i don't particularily want to lock him up that's why was thinking muzzle but if it is neccessary. mum put her foot down and said if it happens again whether he bites or not i have to get him put down (praying it doesn't happen again-personally i would try rehome him away from kids) thanks for the advice am taking it all in. rather this than a law suit and a poor child injured.

communication with my dog (don't understand sorry) mum's done the training with the trainer we use that knowledge and the veterinary nurse who was training me at the vet i used to work for was a qualified instructor she gave me heaps of tips for my other dog who passed away, i use the same knowledge for my pup now. not wanting to start a debate at all or no disrespect intended the smacking stopped the behaviour immediately causing pup to drop to all fours and look at me away from the children.i can see how smacking can be detrimental to pup as well and have not smacked pup in a while until today so am heading everyone's advice here so thanks. edited to add: when in Perth was at the dog beach and park daily was fine with people there and appeared fine with all the children would let him off lead. is fine with other dogs and pets except chooks different story there though and normally anyone bigger than him.

okay where to start. at the beginning i guess. whilst taking my pup for a walk along the beach today with my MIL and her dog we stopped to talk to a couple with there two toddlers staying at the campsite next door. i left mum talking to them then went up to teach my dog the over trick at the seperation between the campsites. we did this for a few minutes then let him go for a chase of the sea gulls. thought this was great he did. i called him back and picked up his lead (still attached) and walked over to mum. the little boy came over about eye level with my pup and he attacked him. he jumped up snarled snapped bared his teeth etc. his front paws almost clawed the child's face and i think if he wasn't on the lead he may of bitten this child. he was severly punished being grabbed by the collar, looked in the eyes and said no, bad dog. he also got a quick slap on his behind which stopped his behaviour. i grabbed his collar kept him to heel and took him back to our campsite and tied him up. i went back down to the beach luckily the child did not appear to be injured only frightened he was about 2 and likes all dogs. my mum's dog a shitzu helped ease the tension and the children played with him as dog believes he was placed on this planet for everyone's attention. i was and am still very shaken as the only time i saw him act like this was with the two teenage boys at the park who were trying to kick him and coming to the tip of his nose as they rode by on bikes, other than that he appears to be fine. he is great with adults and us so we didn't think children would be a problem as he plays with my 6 year old sister fine. i am very glad the couple were nice and the child was not injured in any way and did not scare him away from the other dog. i have decided to muzzle my dog 24/7 incase he gets out (we caretake a campsite, next week we are fully booked out for Christmas with alot of children around) and i can not afford him to jump the fence which he can if he really wants well i guess, he got out one day and nothing was open (i stupidly taught him to jump and to go over things getting a head start on some training). wondering what you would do in this situation. would you keep the dog muzzled at all times, tie him up, get rid of him, get him put to sleep (prefer not to unless absolutely neccessary(had already decided if he had injured the child i would of)). i am really nervous having him in the yard, because i am beginning to distrust his temperment. any advice would be appreciated greatly. thanks. P.s he is either a labrador cross border collie (previous owners told us this) only had him a month or the vet thinks he is a german shephard cross

i found a pic of my rebellious pup under another post. "my pup is a wolf not literally under this section Training obedience etc now that was helpful it worked all that advice. i do not know how to put the picture in here as it was done form another computer. whisper

blinks blinks blinks. blinks again and half of that made not the least amount of sense whatso ever was i supposed t be able to understand that?? anyway i never agreed nor disagreed with the cat eating out of the dogs bowl, but as myself and my fiance work shift work, the cat may of finished, (should of finsihed) it's breakfast before we get home, therfore if it gets hungry i think it should be okay for the cat to eat the dogs biscuits that are always filled and not be fearful of being chomped into sausage meat . why must one take a pup to dog training classes when we see different methods of training. i get the impression from people that they think i am naive and maybe a little dumb. or something to this effect. i live on a campsite on the beach where customers come to stay etc, so i need a well trained dog that listens to only us noone else. from my experiences form dog training is that they become like robots (remembering this is my opinion) and whosoever tells them the command they obey. i disagree with this as i have taught my dog some basic agility and basic commands such as: sit, lay down, shake hands, high five, scratch, over, through, open mouth, stay sought of (a work in progress) gentle, friends, come when called. stop and cross the road at the roadside when safe. i don't think one needs an obedience school to train a pet, as i think one is capable of preforming such a task to a high degree amongst themselves as long as they are willing to partake the time and effort that will be required trainign the dog each and every day. slowly but surely you will get there in the end. i also do not want to go to obedience classes or puppy classes what ever, i socialise my dog at the dog beach with and without the lead. i taught him friends and gentle whilst on the leash before we were able to let him off as he tries to dominate anything that moves but i broke that habit after only two visits tot he beach. i feel like i am not welcome to ask for others opinions on this site as always seems to be the case. not wanted never have been if it wasn't for the fact that i could focus on training my puppies well who knows... that is why i train myself rather than dog schools. i never actually decided that the cat could eat form the dogs bowl i just didn't want an aggrssive dog if it was the case and was asking opinions of this incase the cat did happen to eat out of the bowl whilst i wasn't home, i never wanted to come home to a dead cat and a dog that had the taste for blood. i was guesing that people on this site would be more experienced with dogs as i got the opinon that most go to training or breed etc. i have only ever owned a boxer who was submissive anyway as at a few weeks old she was hit and almost killed by a car she went MIA for a week and was skin and bone when i found her as my other two pups died at a few weeks old from parvo. i have never had this breed of dog before and wasn't sure of temperment etc so was therfore only asking opinions. the fact i was growled at for asking a question when answering a question was rather hurtful and upsetting. oh well live and learn if thats possible, remeber we are all only human noone is perfect we all learn from our mistakes and the fact i hit my pup once may or may not of been appropriate but we all learn form mistakes as i have form watching my pup and his actions it struck me that probably wasn't appropriate but i can't undo it and if it works then so be it. Whisper.

okay i see that noone here agrees with physical discipline. i hope that in that case if you have children you do not physically punish them either because that would be contradictory. i had a boxer who thought food was for her only and would growl at my papillion, sometimes going to attack, one day she took his food predominatly (not sure of spelling) implying it was hers, i therfore took it back and got bitten in the process. i punished her with a quick slap across her nose and a loud OW!. from that day forth i had the upmost respect from her i could therefore do anything with her where as nobody else could. it obviously hurt her because she did yelp but after backing off and realising she did something wrong i never ever had the fear she would bite anyone ever again and she didn't you could do anything with her. i understand that most people here are probably older and supposably wiser no disrespect intended from this teenager but although something worked for you doesn't mean it will work for this person. since the pup was initially punish with a physical punishment i haven't had to do it again, he has learnt to do as he is told althoug he does insist on eating pup's food when he comes into the house, but he eats my pup's so i don't care. pup still insists on jumping and running around sometimes ignoring my command but he is getting better all i have to do is say sit now not bed and he sits then lays down nose on his paw watching and waiting for the command, i am able to walk away and he stays most of the time until i command him and allow him to eat. i discovered since i have been watching my pup closely that the previous owners seeminly abused the dog as he is leash scared took me a week to gain his confidence to walk him on the lead, if a male raises his voice he wets himself and hides, he is very shy and timid at tiems especially when there are strangers around, so since i discovered this i immediatley warned every body involved in his training to definatley not to hit him or physically punish him at all. i said if he misbehaves to much remove his toys put him outside and if need be tether him till he calms down but watch him so he doesn't strangle himself. whisper

is it generally the aura of the forum's to admonish and growl at a question?? I have just moved to the beach new computer i haven't got pic's on here to post sorry Rozzie. i working in a vet do know how to control my animals and am not ignorant in their training. since i wrote the first letter on here my pup sits and stays, he waits to command is given to eat, the other puppy and the kitten can now eat out of his bowl and he is less likely to attack them and i never read any of this advice. i have trained him to mat, so when his food is coming out he sits and or lays on his mat and waits as does he if he comes in the house, sitting on the mat only. i thank you all for the imput but do appreciate being growled at. i have never taken any of my dogs to dog school only trainig them myself and the always are obedient well trained dogs. And as for this emoticon :rolleyes: those who ues should consider others feelings first, all i did was ask for advice, i did not ask to be punished for asking a question Think about it!! Whisper.

thanks i have done basic obedience trainaing but not with a dog school. he does understand that to get teh reward he has to do as is asked. i can take the food from under his nose as well i can touch teh food move him away he is fine just doesn't tolerate teh cat. i can keep the cat inside just have to learn more patience i guess

don't growl at me. a little slap never hurt anyone it isn't enough to hurt him and i am not expecting miracles. the cat is fed indoors and the dog outdoors. the cat doesn't react to the dog eating its food so we let the dog within reason. if the cat is not reacting we do not expect teh dog to react. we are looking at getting another puppy when we move to our property on the beach and i don't want my pup now (wolf) to attack it if it goes to his food bowl, he is already the same size as what my boxer was when she was fully grown he is a big puppy. we have been trying to get the dog to sit on its bed and then when it is it is allowed to eat on command we are having toruble getting it to sit on it's bed when it sees the food it jumps all over me it had drawn blood from scratches and biting me to get to the food bowl when it is standing up and jumping on its hind legs it is taller than i am. i wish to teach him i am the omega top dog not him he is under me at teh moment he is throwing his weight around with me (he is my dog) but he listens to my fiance. in training he listens to me just not at home. he doens't listen to fiance when we are out though. i also never said i shoulted at teh dog i said figuratively speaking a slight raise in voice is not considered yelling or shouting.

he is 18 weeks old i have had him for three to four weeks. we are told by the previous owners he is a lab x border collie but my opinion and the vets is he is a german shephard x. i am forceful with him by adjusting the tone of my voice, i grab his collar and put him on his bed whilst saying on your bed, i stand infron of him to stop him getting off of the bed, i keep the cat inside to limit distractions but i want him to do as he is told with distractions, if he is too naughty totally not listening he gets yelled at so to speak with a stern voice. the first time he told off of the cat he got belted the cat got picked upand we made the pup get on his bed then let the cat go to the dogs bowl and eat some food whislt we told the dog off. same the second time.

whilst i try to feed my puppy he is constantly jumping around me whilst i have the bowl in my hand. i get him to lay on is bed with the command "on your bed". he will either sit or lay which i am happy with but unless my fiance is outside he will not stay there on his bed he does for him though. i am very forceful with him as he is a big puppy and i want the rules set before adult hood. after about ten minutes he will eventually listen after he realises he can't have the food to he sits and responds to my commands. sometimes he responds immediately and i reward him but most of the time no especially if there is distratctions ie the kitten coming outside he will go to play. one problem with the kitten also is if it goes near pups bowl he attacks the cat, he has come really close to biting it but never has he got smacked and bed time for this behaviour. Any ideas on how to get pup to do as is told and realise he has to share he isn't the top dog would be greatly appreciated. thanks whisper.

gizmo misses you too gem. he'll never replace you but he too fills our heart with memories and happy times.

Darling Gemma it has been nearly four months since you were so cruelly taken from me. not a day goes by that i don't look at your collar then wish i can look intoyou eyes. it hurts so much to know that the pain will never cease and that i will never again look into your doleful eyes. Babe you gave me 11 beautiful years from birth and i thank you for all the wonderful memories i have of you. you may not be here physically but spiritually you are in mine and the families heart. You are missed by all and life will never be the same without you. thankyou for teaching Gizmo your personality and little tricks he delights us but there will always be a special place in my heart for you my dear. till we meet again i love you and i think of you always. Gemma you coat was the colour of snow, noone wanted what was different one look in your eyes and i new you were unique and special to take you home and to love you was more than i hoped for not only did i gain a pet but i gained a life long companion your life was ended so harshly i only wish i was there to ease the pain at least now you are happy we will meet again. written in memoriam of Gemma 1 week off of 11 years when she prematurely choked to death whilst i was at work. i will never forgive myself for giving you the burger patty but i will thank you or all the times we shared and all the memories. thank you girl love lisa.