Keira&Phoenix

Ok so update - BTW Jenny at Animal Options is absolutely fantastic, exceptional vet/chiropractor and fantastic "bedside" manner. Explained everything in detail and at no stage rushed anything and she took notes on everything I told her, everything that Phoenix did including the fact that she was sooking. My trainers describe her as the House of the dog world (but with a much better temperament LOL) Jenny felt her neck/spine and checked her over in general. Agreed that her neck was clearly very sore even with pain killers she was reluctant to move it. Gave her a gently readjustment and acupuncture. Basically she has said if we see a dramatic improvement in the next 24 hours she probably just jarred it, if not there may possible be a hairline fracture from a collision of some sort and that would require xrays to confirm. If that is not the cause worst case scenario is meningitis At this stage she couldn't get a good temperature reading as the anti inflammatory's she is on will be bringing down her temp, so we have adjusted her medication so I can take her temp at home in the morning and if it is higher than 38.9 I am to contact them straight away...so no definite answers yet, fingers crossed for improvement by tomorrow afternoon so that no more vet visits are necessary or at least noting more than a few more visits to Jenny to get some more chiropractic work done.

Yay got her in to see Jenny @ Animal Options at 1 pm, hopefully will get some answers.

Hi Nehkbet, I am in QLD and I already see a fantastic Chiro/Vet - Rowan @ Animal Options so I am going to try and get her in to see him asap, I trust him implicitly and know he will do what is right for her and not his back pocket. I would have tried that first but did not realise it was her neck until yesterday afternoon after she had come home. Also it was Saturday afternoon when she started to look really off colour and he was closed by that stage (not to mention its is hard to get in to see him). I know that (eating palm seeds) we do try and stop her (she is crated/penned when not being watched during the day) but they fall down onto an area which is rocks so it is impossible for us to pick them all up and the first thing she does is run over there to eat them when I let her out, I do stop her but she usually gets eat least one. Not sure what kind sorry, just off your regular palm trees. They did xrays of her tummy and were certain she had no blockage caused by the palm seeds just a build up of faeces. Fever is a part of Pano but I found it weird about constipation as well as I have a dog with hip displaxia and she has no dramas either. Not sure about the itusesseption...is there any way to find out if it is that?? She is on beef mince, chicken pet mince, offal mince, roo mince, chicken necks, tuna/salmon, some rump steak, some dry food and a raw egg per week. Not all of that in one week just depends on what is the cheapest or what we can get a hold of for that week. Usually for the week its 2 of the meats, 1 can of fish, dry food mixed in with each meal and an egg on one of the days. Maybe I will mix in some milk to soften up the dry food but only on the rare occasion. I am going to be really angry if it isn't pano and is just a pinched nerve in the neck as it cost me almost $1000 when I picked her up yesterday, I will get it back on insurance but doesn't make it ok. It also isn't good to diagnose something that is incorrect, because only the Xray's really point to Pano. She said they squeezed her bones to see if they were painful and apparently she showed discomfort but didn't make any noise...I found that weird as well as she had been crying out for even the lightest touch (I now realise it was whenever she jarred or moved her neck)...so frustrating.

Force rest is not really necessary but if the dog is on pain killers, an owner should make sure the dog does not overdo it. The pain actually provides an important self limiting factor. You still want the dog to move as much as it is able. I had a dog and its owner come to me for a lesson using 'drive' as the training principal. This is quite energetic. I explained more than demonstrated when it came to the energetic stuff and discouraged doing so until the dog was better, as it presented quite lame. The owner told me it was Pano. I avoided working for fast recalls and the lesson was spent on more passive exercises. In your opinion do you think I did the right thing? I was and still would not be comfortable about working a dog actively when it was showing such signs of soreness. Or was I being anal and it would have been ok to commence and continue the active training? My senses tell me "no" ..... To K&P - my apologies for the but back in that instance (this was quite a while back), I was unfamiliar with what Pano was. No problems Erny, I am happy for this to be a learning experience for more than just myself Thanks for the best wishes. No NSAIDs so far, vet has limited her to light excercise but hasn't said to have her on lead in the backyard and she said she was happy to leave her on her current diet so see how we go. Question for both Elfin and Espinay....in your experience with Pano did your dogs or dogs you know with it, have a really sore, stiff neck?? Because since I bought her home its become obvious that her neck is very sore and very stiff although a bit better now she has had her nightly pain killers.....can anyone shed light on this?? I will call the vet tomorrow and ask them and then probably try to get her in to see my Chiropractic Vet(but thats not covered by my insurance ) But it is certainly not something mentioned in the info the vet gave me or any research I have done personally...

Thanks Espinay. She is home now and on pain killers and anti inflams for at least 10 days then go from there. If she is still showing signs of being really sore and stiff will have to get more meds. She seems much better but still sore this afternoon. She is a good weight certainly not overweight at all if anything she is quite thin (people comment they think she has greyhound in her LOL). But she did shoot up very quick and got very leggy in just a few weeks. Vet said light excercise for a week and go from there. I will be keeping an eye on her though, never really do more than a 20-30 min slow walk per day anyways so is usually pretty light. So Vitaman C and Bromelain? Just human stuff from health food store? And how much?

Thanks Erny. From what I have read it will eventually self correct just not sure how long it will take. Going to pick her up soon so the vet will give me a rundown.

Thanks ;) Hi Erny, Unsure. From what I have read they are not certain what causes it but could be some sort of viral infection or dietery or even genetic apparently...but only seems to occur in larger breed dogs. Apparently tey have transplated bone marrow from affected dogs to unaffected and it caused the dogs to contract the disease.

So I had to take my baby to the vet today as she started to look very off colour, lethargic and was just not herself, on top of that she was squeeling in pain at random times and I could not work out what was sore.. She seemed to really go down hill today and I was quite concerned as she eats LOTS of palm seeds and I was worried we may have a blackage so I took her to the vet this arvo to be safe. The vet couldn't seem to find a particular reason to why she was squeeling while I was there but Phoenix had a temp of 39.4 so she had to be hospitalized for that and the vet said they would do bloods and maybe xray's depending on the bloods. I just got the call from the vet saying bloods were all good but they did an xray of her tummy and she has lots of faeces blocking her up, she said they then did xrays of her limbs as she seemed sore all over after I left and they found that they were showing signs of her having panosteitis which would explain the pain and they said she would have been reluctant to go to the toilet due to the pain hence the build up. So she is now drugged up for the night and hopefully that will relieve her pain and the blockage, they will call in the morning to let me know if she has improved enough to come home or not. Has anyone else had a dog with this disease? I have googled it and it is apparently quite common in larger breed dogs and usually shows up between 5 - 18months and usually last 2 - 5 months but sometimes longer. If you have dealt with it. How long did it last? Was your dog on pain killers or steroids? What did you do to manage it? I know the vet will give me loads of info when I got to pick her up but just wanted to get an idea of what I am looking at... SOOOOOO glad I have pet insurance right now!

Further ear, eye and skin infections wont be covered for at least the first year they may reconsider after that. Should be covered for swallowing things in future as that isnt a condition it would come under accident. Otherwise just get a credit card and put it away and only use it in case of emergency. Also some vets offer the GE interest free cards might be worth looking into that for approval if you decide not to go down the insurance route.

Will PM you shortly Kitt

OK so I have created our team. I will PM anyone (Dandy only LOL) who has told me they are interested with the link to register, the team name and password so they can join. If anyone outside of Dandy wants to join please let me know and I will PM you the details to register with our team. Thanks!

I think maybe a better petition would be to get the RSPCA to offer free desexing to the public. I also think the RSPCA raises huge amounts of revenue and could be doing more to help out but mass desexing??? Just give the option of a cheap or free desexing to those in the public who want it and you will have more desexed animals because people who can't afford to go to the vet can afford to go to the rspca...?

Awesome Dandy!! I will start making a list on the main page. If anyone interested can let me know during this week I will register the team at the end of the week. Ok DOL Doggies it is

LOL as long as their is someone from the Northside going because we all went to Toowong and were from the South

Hi Brisbaners, I posted a while ago in the Social forums about getting together a Brisbane DOL team for the Million Paws walk at Murarrie (main venue in Bris this year). It is now 6 weeks away so would be great to properly organise a team. If your interested, please check out the social thread http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=216132 and post to let me know you are keen so I can register the team etc. Please join in. Thanks!!

Ok so now we are officially only 6 weeks away from the Million Paws walk so I wanted to bump this thread up again. Can anyone who is interested please let me know so I can start a team. Thanks all.

Hope your feelinh better Flick. No worries LM next time. It was good just 3 of us (me, Dandy and Kitt). So we were talking the 9th of May for the meet instead of the 2nd as that weekend is may day long weekend and the weekend before is Easter. Everyone cool with that? Any suggestions on a park?

Has your dog ever seen people of that skin colour previously? It may just be tht he wasn't socialised to people of that skin colour so he is unsure about them.

Good stuff. THey already have a program like this in the States in libraries for children with reading problems. Glad we are recognising it over here.

And this happens to every single student, right? The good outweighs the bad - of course bullying is going to happen. It even happens in the workplace. But that's a fact of life, some people will be a-holes but don't use that to make such a pessimistic outlook of things. As for stabbed - do you really think most schools are like that? What is this, the Bronx? It is becoming more and more common Gavin. In the last few years there has been several stabbings in Brisbane schools alone. I haven't heard anything about other schools in the country. Bullying happens a lot more often now then it did 20-30 years ago. Thinking it is ok because it doesn't happen to everyone is stupid. What good exactly? Please enlighten us with your knowledge of how much better "normal" schools are.

Done and Done. Good on you!

Ho ho! You're calling me arrogant when you supposedly know of my experiences? Because most parents aren't qualified teachers, for one. And you miss out on the important social aspect that schools actually provide. Could write a thesis on this, but that will be going OT so I'm going to stop right there. HAHAHAHA seriously?? Yea I forgot how important it was to go to school and learn how to bully other kids or be bullied. Or maybe get stabbed?? Yea great social interaction is provided at a school. Personally I prefer to know that my brothers are at home safe not being bullied by idiot kids at school or possibly getting stabbed by another kid. They both get loads of social interaction through kids they know through home schooling (they go on excursions just like other schools) and through sports which they both play and which myself, my sister and my older brother did also. We all have friends and we are perfectly social. Home school children are enrolled properly (in other words not parents who just decide to teach their kids outside of the schooling system) in proper schools and have access to teachers and a proper curriculum. Nothing is missing. I am sure there are many people here who could write a thesis about why "normal" schools are no good too. EDIT: to take out some of the quotes.

Honestly, if I owned my own home I would probably apply to have her. She is just gorgeous. What a sweetie. Alas I don't so not going to happen

Well, that's awesome for you - but don't kid yourself into thinking that home-schooling is as good as primary/high school. Your parents might have been clever and educated enough, but sadly in most cases, this is not the case. I don't want to take this too off topic but do you seriously think that public or even private schools are better? Come on. My brother went to a (very well known) private school prior to us being changed to home schooling and he was getting no where, the teachers didn't give a s*** about the kids or the schooling and let the kids muck up all the time and he learnt nothing whilst there. I realise that not all home schooled children will do as well as us but neither do kids in the public or private school system. It has to do with the intelligence level of the children, their drive to actually do their school work and how parents deal with schooling issues (that pop up in both home schooled and non home schooled children). Having a classroom and teachers makes no difference. I had access to teachers just not in a class room. So how about YOU stop kidding yourself. Oh and BTW neither of my parents finished school both left after Grade 10 (from normal schools) so it has nothing to do with my parents being clever or well educated. More kids leave public/private schools after Grade 10 then home schooled kids. Well, that's awesome for you - but don't kid yourself into thinking that home-schooling is as good as primary/high school. Your parents might have been clever and educated enough, but sadly in most cases, this is not the case. That sounds very definite. How do you know? Were you a home school failure? Nah Sheridan I think he/she probably attended a private school and feels superior to people like me who didn't get the education he/she did because I was home schooled.