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Sorry to hijack but what vaccination is that (brand)? Does every vet carry it?

When exporting checking quotations from different companies to ensure that they are quoting on the same specifications is imperative, items like Import permits, customs clearances can amount to many hundreds of dollars in some destinations, especially if you have to involve Customs Brokers for clearances, this can be a strain on finances, at short notice, if you were not expecting them. Yes, I get that. However in my case, import permits to Taiwan are free to apply (I also checked import permits to Malaysia was less than AUD 1). Custom clearances may be a few hundred, but what must be paid will be paid; I'm not concerned. I'm just not sure why all of the travel agents were charging an arm and a leg for those. As a dog owner, I would very much prefer doing those myself than getting my dog into boarding (in the case of Jetpets and Dogtainers they wanted the dog to board for 3 days) with a free deluxe blanket (I can provide my own thanks very much) so travel agents can sort those out while charging exorbitant amounts of what would have been free. As I am not requiring a door-to-door service, all of those I've sought would end at dog's arrival on foreign land, hence I would still have to pay for customs clearance anyway. There was also no guarantee the dog would not be destroyed upon arrival as their service ended once the dog landed with the plane. As such I requested for multiple quotes from Jetpets, Dogtainers, Petcarriers and many other companies asking how much it would be if everything was included, to how much it would be for the bare minimum. To give you an idea, a door-to-door service from Jetpets was $2080, while an door-to-airport service from them was $1210. It is the service that they provide in getting the dog onto the plane with the correct procedure that guarantees that the dog will not be destroyed. After that point, it does not matter who collects the dog as long as the fees are paid at the other end. You have your quotes from the two most reputable agents in Australia. If you can do it by yourself better and cheaper than an agent then go for it. Every overseas buyer I have sold a dog to is happy to use an agent, and none of their fares have been as cheap as the prices you have been quoted. Like I said, I encourage the OP to do his research as to what is needed. The owner/sender should be as clear of the procedure as the agent. The agent might be more experienced, but if the owner knows what is required he shouldn't have to jump through hoops to meet the requirements. I am made to require services with the correct procedure that I could have carried out myself. As I said, it's not rocket science, and I would do it on my own if I could. However, as I have replied to you earlier, and I shall bold it for you this time, I am using an agent because there is no airline that allows you to book your pet in yourself. The price I've given by Jetpets from airport to door is cheap because I have done most of the work myself. If I can arrange for my own dog to get vet checked and have my dog stay with me until he goes on a direct flight, why should I choose for my dog to be boarded for 3 days, be vet-checked and rabies-vaccinated without me present, and go on a trip where he has to transit in another unknown country? So to answer you, yes I think I can do it by myself better and cheaper, especially if I cut out the middle man. However, unlike lilli, I don't have the luxury of doing so. Also, some agents do not allow you to do the work yourself, such as Dogtainers would not allow me to use my own AQIS-accredited vet.

When exporting checking quotations from different companies to ensure that they are quoting on the same specifications is imperative, items like Import permits, customs clearances can amount to many hundreds of dollars in some destinations, especially if you have to involve Customs Brokers for clearances, this can be a strain on finances, at short notice, if you were not expecting them. Yes, I get that. However in my case, import permits to Taiwan are free to apply (I also checked import permits to Malaysia was less than AUD 1). Custom clearances may be a few hundred, but what must be paid will be paid; I'm not concerned. I'm just not sure why all of the travel agents were charging an arm and a leg for those. As a dog owner, I would very much prefer doing those myself than getting my dog into boarding (in the case of Jetpets and Dogtainers they wanted the dog to board for 3 days) with a free deluxe blanket (I can provide my own thanks very much) so travel agents can sort those out while charging exorbitant amounts of what would have been free. As I am not requiring a door-to-door service, all of those I've sought would end at dog's arrival on foreign land, hence I would still have to pay for customs clearance anyway. There was also no guarantee the dog would not be destroyed upon arrival as their service ended once the dog landed with the plane. As such I requested for multiple quotes from Jetpets, Dogtainers, Petcarriers and many other companies asking how much it would be if everything was included, to how much it would be for the bare minimum. To give you an idea, a door-to-door service from Jetpets was $2080, while an door-to-airport service from them was $1210.

What your friend wants and the proper export procedure for dogs may not be compatible. Dogs have to leave this country through a port where AQUIS can inspect them. Agents like JetPets and Dogtainers have affiliations with other animal transport companies where stopovers have to happen, and those agents look after the dog where a freight company or airline will not. You will not have access or facilities to exercise and feed the dog even if you can access it in a strange airport. Exactly. Exporting dogs into China means knowing the rules, getting everything right, or having your dog destroyed. Maybe I haven't been clear, but I am going through an agent, just not Jetpets (although they were the cheapest) because they were the only company to have said we need to transit in Sydney. They told me firstly that there were no airlines going from Brisbane to Taipei (lie) and then secondly that there were no airlines going from Brisbane to Taipei that allowed animals (another lie). I assure you Brisbane has an inspection port for AQIS as well. I also have my own AQIS-accredited vet here A pet transport company may be experienced at this but so far I have done as many things as I can myself to cut costs. That includes permits, rabies vaccination, vet checks, crate. I would have arranged for the flight myself if it was possible. It's not exactly rocket science. Know what the authorities over there want, and you can satisfy their criteria very easily. When I was applying for the import permit, there was a list of criteria given that I had to meet. Most of the quotes I had excluded import permits and service will stop at the point when the plane lands in the destination country. This is airport to airport, not door to door. So if your pet is destroyed upon arrival, they will take no responsibility. Always do your own research regardless of pet transport companies or otherwise.

Most airlines require dogs to be shipped as cargo/freight. Basically anything that can't go through the passenger terminal and into the passenger cabin, is classed as cargo/freight. (This is why I find it amusing that Uzbekistan lets you take monkeys and dogs on board, and in Ankara when I produce my passport I also produce my puppies' passport, and they go through the xray scanner machine with me lol :D Doha airport is much like Melbourne airport wrt rules and regulations, and my dogs stay in the cargo area and that's it.) My point is, that except for a few countries, most international airports operate like MEL/SYD/PER and Jet Pets are correct that all dogs ex. Australia travel as freight, but that is only half the story. There is a big difference flying with my dog and paying $600, than utilizing the service of an agent and paying $3000. If the Airline allows you to transport your dog at the excess baggage freight rate, you should not use an agent as you will pay a lot more. Yep, exactly my point as I said "I would expect that if I travel with my dog, I would pay for them as excess baggage but only if I don't require an agent. If I travel with my dog and still require an agent I would not expect to pay the excess baggage rate. This is why I've tried so hard to find an airline that does not require an agent but every airline that goes to TW does. " It seems a little more complicated to go to Macau though. Good luck OP Edited. Excuse the lack of clarity. Japan Airlines does not require you to use an agent. http://www.jal.co.jp/en/inter/service/pet/ You can fly direct Australia to Japan and then to Taiwan. Japan is also considered rabies free by TW, so there will be no quarantine issue on arrival. Yes, but my friend does not want her dog to transit even in Sydney, so why would she want her dog to transit in Japan? Less flight time, less stressful for the dog. OP does not have a direct flight to Macau, but there is a direct flight from Brisbane to Taipei. It just doesn't make sense to book connecting flights. Besides, JAL does not fly direct to Tokyo from Brisbane. Again, there is a stopover in Singapore. A check shows no direct flights to Japan from Brisbane. Thanks anyway

Most airlines require dogs to be shipped as cargo/freight. Basically anything that can't go through the passenger terminal and into the passenger cabin, is classed as cargo/freight. (This is why I find it amusing that Uzbekistan lets you take monkeys and dogs on board, and in Ankara when I produce my passport I also produce my puppies' passport, and they go through the xray scanner machine with me lol :D Doha airport is much like Melbourne airport wrt rules and regulations, and my dogs stay in the cargo area and that's it.) My point is, that except for a few countries, most international airports operate like MEL/SYD/PER and Jet Pets are correct that all dogs ex. Australia travel as freight, but that is only half the story. There is a big difference flying with my dog and paying $600, than utilizing the service of an agent and paying $3000. If the Airline allows you to transport your dog at the excess baggage freight rate, you should not use an agent as you will pay a lot more. Yep, exactly my point as I said "I would expect that if I travel with my dog, I would pay for them as excess baggage but only if I don't require an agent. If I travel with my dog and still require an agent I would not expect to pay the excess baggage rate. This is why I've tried so hard to find an airline that does not require an agent but every airline that goes to TW does. " It seems a little more complicated to go to Macau though. Good luck OP Edited. Excuse the lack of clarity.

Cathay Pacific: http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_AU/helpingyoutravel/pets www.cathaypacificcargo.com/common/contentDoc/Pet_Shipping.pdf Not sure what you are trying to say? In the 2nd link you provided it says pets as excess baggage are not available for pets travelling to Australia, HK, NZ, South Africa, Taiwan or UK as well as transiting HK where govts do not permit it. Be it as excess baggage or cargo they will still be in cargo it seems.

You can ship through as freight, not as excess baggage All animals from Australia are shipped as freight according to Jetpets; excess baggage is still cargo regardless of the price. According to the Taiwan condition of entry, they are not to be transited through non rabies-free countries (esp China or Bangladesh or they will be destroyed upon arrival), so I can't.

I believe this must be Qantas policy only (requiring an agent). Passengers can check their own dogs in as freight and fly on the same flight. It is the Airline's policy which determines if you will pay the freight rate or the excess baggage rate or extra baggage rate. By freight I mean the dog travels in the pressurized cargo hold, not on board with the people in the cabin. Yes I would expect so. It is entirely up to the airline. I am merely stating that the ones I've checked do require an agent. I just added the Qantas reply because you mentioned Qantas. I would expect that if I travel with my dog, I would pay for them as excess baggage but only if I don't require an agent. If I travel with my dog and still require an agent I would not expect to pay the excess baggage rate. This is why I've tried so hard to find an airline that does not require an agent but every airline that goes to TW does. BTW China Airlines told me they charge $5-10 per kilo which is insanely cheap, but the freight department said the reservation dept was wrong and I do need an agent, so check with your preferred airline.

Make sure Macau doesn't have a rule to whether animals can be shipped through non-rabies free countries. Taiwan has that rule so I can't ship through most countries (didn't matter, I wanted a direct flight which was what Jet Pets couldn't give me despite their low quote). I also can't ship through HK because they have a rule that animals are not to be transited there.

I called up Qantas in late June and this is their reply via email: Many thanks for your inquiry regarding the international transportation of animals from Australia. Please note that you will need to contact a specialised pet transport company in the relevant departure city to make a booking and obtain the proper IATA approved airline container that is used for international carriage of animals. Please note, also, that charges are calculated dependent on the size of the container, not the weight of the animal. Also note the container must be the appropriate size for your particular animal. As a general rule your animal should be able to stand, sit and turn around comfortably within the container. The attached list includes the contact details of some specialised pet transport companies: Please contact any of the above companies and they will advise you on all cost and procedures etc. for the international transport of animals. Thanks and Regards QANTAS Freight www.qantasfreight.com ETA: I'm sure domestic flights allow pets to be arranged without an agent (except Qantas even for domestic), but the ones that I've checked for international all do not allow (to Taiwan/East Asian countries). Jet Pets also informed me that all animals from Australia have to be shipped as freight, even if you are on the same flight.

Yes very familiar with Australia and its Border policies Many other countries also require dogs to enter/leave the country as freight. Turkish Airlines and Uzbekistan are quite unique in their border polices with pets. The National carrier often reflects the country it represents. Hence with Qatar: Falcons yes, dogs no. A traveler, even Ex. Australia, is better off booking their freight with the Airline and the flight they are traveling on. The dog still gets loaded and offloaded the same way, and travels in the pressurized cargo hold. The traveler just pays less, and I maintain the dog will get better treatment on the ground, when accompanied. ETA: I just checked. Qatar will let me book my dog on as freight: Melbourne - Doha - Ankara. 50EUR / kg All import permits, vet certification, travel crate are my responsibilty. Must carry documentation blah blah It can be so hard to discuss things with people your are not face to face I can assure you that it is impossible to get a dog into or out of Australia with out using an agent. We used to be able to but not now. (not unless they have changes it again ) It doesn't matter if you travel on the same aircraft and pay for a first class ticket or travel ecomomy the dog will still be in the hold and receive the same good treatment even if the owner is not travelling. We have had new requirements for dogs traveling with Qantas within Aust. Under 12 weeks of age a vetinary certificate of health is now required and you MUST use an agent. I agree. I am shipping my friend's dog to her in Taiwan and I had varied estimates, from the cheapest 1.2k to 2.6k. Please get as many quotes as you can from freight companies. I also called various airlines but none of them would accept booking from anyone other than a pet freight company. It would also be cheaper to get all required vaccinations, health checks, import permit, crate etc yourself.

:rofl: I can't keep up with their energy, so throwing is infinitely better than me running I tried a toy today but it seemed to distract them even more (came back running to me and then started chewing on them at my feet, or did the shake-and-kill) but the good news is, they can play fetch now!! Thank you all geniuses for your help :thumbsup: Still can't get them to drop it in my hand but that is a small matter. This forum is awesome. I have taught them shy, fetch, target things with their noses and crawl in 2 days! (Plus have taught the cat sit, come and shake.)

So I saw this product in a health store, made in QLD saying it uses organic meats. I haven't heard of this brand so was wondering if anyone uses/has tried it. The website is here: http://www.organicpaws.com.au/ One gripe is that the recipe section doesn't tell me much about nutritional values, percentages of ingredients or protein. Nothing is stated on the box too. Leading Raw's website as well as Canine Country's are the same.

Thank you all for your replies. The first dog I mentioned is a Westie and the second is a Maltese x. I agree that the Maltese does not have such a strong prey drive, not sure about the Westie. He is quite reactive and does chase after the ball, but when he reaches it, all he does is bite it and leave it there. Maltese is 1 year+ while the Westie is about 10 months. Westie seems to have moderate prey drive? He's quite a typical terrier I would say, loves chase, very playful and eager to please. The Maltese doesn't have a strong food/play drive, loves his zoomies and is quick to learn. He will follow the Westie and chase after the ball (if the both of the are together) but usually loses out, obviously. On his own he just stands there, smiling at you as if saying "Nice throw! Now what?" If I could only get the Westie to bring the ball back to me, I think he could be trained as he is quite food-motivated. I just don't know how to get him to do that. I recently took care of a friend's Pomeranian who would bark at and chase every moving thing - would that be considered high prey drive? Playing fetch with that little guy was awesome

Sorry if this is an old topic, I did a search but none seemed to match my situation. I can't get my dogs to play fetch at all. I try to play it separately, and the first one will run to where the ball is, mouths at it then leaves it there. If I call him back/have a treat in my hand he returns but without the ball. Sometimes he carries it halfway but never returns it to me or near me enough so I can trade it for another ball. The other dog looks at me, looks at the ball being thrown touch the ground and stands there wagging his tail. *Sigh* How do I get them to play fetch?!

AWL's July Desexing Month makes desexing very affordable at various vets - check out more details here: http://www.ndn.org.au/national-desexing-month.html Sunnybank Vet Clinic has cheap desexing (males $166) but personally I would not recommend it.

I ordered a 3kg bag from julana and postage was $15 to the gold coast. Hope there'll be better distribution! Asked for samples beforehand but never got anything until I actually wanted to buy something.

Thank you both for your replies! When the pup is excited he basically zooms around, jumps up and down and runs all over the place. When the owner scolds him he leaks, but when the owner does nothing to stop him he leaks too. He basically never stops being excited, so it's hard to ignore him and wait until he's calm. I don't think he's a dog that loves cuddles as well. So yes, he is a high energy dog that has been transferred between owners quite a bit. Backstory - he had two owners, both overseas students so shuttled from the Gold Coast to Brisbane every once in a while. When one went home he was left with the other one who lived in an apartment. I know both owners tried to crate-train him with no success. I don't know about the amount of exercise he's getting, but he will be getting at least 5km of walks everyday at my place. Is that too much for a pup of his size? I have a similar aged pup (we went to puppy school together) but he's a Westie so different exercise needs. Sometimes we do 10km with some off-lead play, except on rainy days. I live in an apartment as well so there's no yard for Panda (Maltese) and Polar (Westie) to play in. Perhaps a separate walk? As far as I know he's not been getting further training. Socialisation is hard because he barks at everyone and every dog and everything when they go on walks (according to her). I recall it was the same in puppy school. No dog wanted to play with him because they wanted to play with the bigger dogs, and so he went around growling and trying to playbite them? They ignored him and chased some other puppy instead. Yes, I think that's exactly what she's doing. To be fair though because the other girl has gone home and my friend lives in an apartment (only a 1br) and has been complained several times, she is at her wit's end. She had to send the puppy off to a kennel for a while before she found a friend who could take him in. I offered to help take care of the puppy but at the same time because I have a similar aged pup I'm worried that my pup will learn to bark as well (does that make sense?) The pup will either go to the girl who has went home or to my friend's family in her home country. I really don't know what I can suggest to her? I searched the forums for a behaviourist in Brisbane and told her to try Jane Harper. However we live on the Gold Coast so if there are any good ones you can recommend please do I am taking my two to obedience on Saturday and am not sure if the puppy can fit in. Do I take him to the behaviourist first before starting obedience with him? Thanks very much in advance!

I posted this in the Pomeranian sub thread but on hindsight it would be better here. My friend has an 8-month-old pom, who has had quite a bit of problem with barking, so much so that he is not allowed at her apartment anymore. My friend is considering sending him to her home country because there is just no place for him here. Apparently he barks at everything, even on walks and at home. Both citronella & static collars have been tried by owner but apparently no success. He also has a leaking problem, which seems to be triggered by overexcitement. I will be taking care of him for a month or so before he goes, so am asking for some tips/pointers. I recommended a behaviourist for the barking, but not sure what else I can do with regard to the leaking and overexcitement. Is this common in poms or is it unique? So far I'm thinking vet checkup, chamomile tea and crate training. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated!

One for me too if it's still not too late?

One dog is quite calm during baths/showers. He doesn't struggle and does zoomies after. The other hates showers and never does zoomies but does rub himself against the carpet. Maybe it's the cool rush or they're trying to get water off/dry themselves?

My little Maltese x had a pain in the hand and we brought him to the vets to check for cruciates. Asked the vet if they were prone to joint pains and the like and she said not more so than any other breed. Hope that helps a little? Another issue is that a lot of BYBs use malteses and perhaps it's just an issue of bad breeding... but in any case yes get it checked at a chiro. Does it really matter if it's a fault common in the breed?

I've been feeding my 2 on BH, they aren't crazy about it. As I'm feeding both raw and BH (separately) they tend to leave half the BH or turn their noses up at it. With price of postage I'm likely to go back to Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance - $15 for 2.26kg is the cheapest super premium I can find now.

Totally depends on the dog! What breed is the dog? I wouldn't necessarily sya a large breed needs more than a small breed. For example, Greyhounds generally don't need much exercise and jack russells need A LOT of exercise! Hmm I have a Westie x and a Maltese x. It seems that my Maltese x runs a lot faster (and a lot more) than my Westie x I was reading a blog where the dogs (toy dogs) get 22 to 30km walk&jog per week I'm definitely not exercising my dogs that much