Annie99

Good on you for raising it again. My original thread was pulled after I located a puppy farm/byb and asked Q's about what a registered breeder was. So Steve revived the other thread in a way, which was really about who to report a puppy farmer to as they (puppy farmer) had told me they were registered breeder.

Not true at all, I'm very interested in what some people have here to say. Otherwise I would not have persevered for so long. Lots of good info in this thread, mixed in with insults and silly comments. It is a matter of separating the wheat from the chaff. I just don't get upset by personal insults from ignorant people. Water off a ducks back.

That is very sad, and you can only imagine how they treat their own pups/dogs, if they know full well that the mother of the pup could be a breeding machine at a puppy farm.

So what? A member of my family gets dogs from the pound. should I smash her over the head about puppy farms? Your point is irrelevant Not irrelevant at all. Some people when getting a dog are tossing up b/t a purebred or rescue. My point is there is a whole lot more info out there about dogs available than there is about puppy farms.

You have your PM

The puppy farmers are only going to give them glossy websites, not photos to the realities of puppy farms. Ok maybe i worded it wrong, I meant that there is a lot of websites out there telling the public about the evils of puppy farms, and information that the public can use when looking for a pup so they don't end up with a puppy farm pup.. There are far, far, far more with no mention of puppy farms. I have told many, many people about puppy farms who own dogs and did not know they existed. Also if someone goes to a pound, rspca or rescue they will get a mixed breed dog and not necessarily learn all about puppy farms there either.

So what exactly will these 'shows' entail? I've read that all dogs will have to be examined by a veterinary surgeon prior to 'exhibition' (very time consuming) and that the general public will be much more involved than they are at ANKC shows, but other than that everything appears to be very vague. Other than testing for working ability (possible, but will be difficult and once again extremely time consuming at an all breeds show) and ensuring that every dog can do the job for which it was originally bred (even more difficult as some of those jobs no longer exist) I cannot begin to imagine how one of your 'shows' is going to be conducted or what is going to be required of the exhibits. Ok off topic but how can every dog be examined by a vet? Now most shows have hundreds of entries, you would quite a few vets on hand and what time would the exhibitors be expected to arrive at the show so they have plenty of time to have their dog/s checked.. I have not had experience showing dogs, but when I showed my cat around 10 years ago, we had to be at shows very early for the vet check (I think it was around 7am). Not sure what the current rules/practices are with cats or dogs.

What can I say? Stunning. Well done

Thanks Jed. I have done much of what you suggest and more, I can assure you. Lots of letters to pollies and to councils. Plenty to Pet's Paradise as well. None to ANKC. Good Idea. I will start on those. I hope they have email addresses, as 99% of my letters are via email.

The puppy farmers are only going to give them glossy websites, not photos to the realities of puppy farms.

Way to take what sway said out of context. I did call her almost nutty, now I know Annie99 IS nutty. Ha ha ha. I don't care what any of you say. I get supportive PM's from lots of people who would prefer not to engage with people who sling mud and insults. Remember this "A man with no enemies is a man with no character." ... "A wise man gets more use from his enemies than a fool from his friends."

OMG. are you for real?? Because I say a puppy is a sentient being I am linked to an org!!!! Now I have heard everything!!!!

Annie99, if you knew anything about me you would know my dogs are my world. I am talking about advertising, in advertising things are referred to as 'products' Yes you also said Oodles have done so well because they advertise everywhere - where people buy puppies! Plenty of "oodles" also bred on puppy farms. Are they not? To meet the demand fueled by lots of advertising. If I sold puppies I would never refer to them as a "product". Sorry.

Thanks for taking the time to post that. It was very interesting but highlights the problem, that for people not in the dog breeding world it is very confusing trying to separate the good from the bad, and I think this very confusion is what the people doing the wrong thing encourage.

As I said before Advertise where people buy puppies from. List your puppies, promote your puppies - Sell the better product! Oodles have done so well because they advertise everywhere - where people buy puppies! If every breed club advertised on Petlink/Tradingpost about the benefits of buying from a registered breeder, it would turn around. They need to be consistent - Push the better product! Love the way puppies are referred to as PRODUCTS. Hmmmmm now what was I saying a while back about treating them as commodities....... Puppies are sentient beings, not handbags.

I presumed you meant the ANKC? I see members getting holidays, or being banned forever, for being naughty. And I'm always pleased to see, when some shocking puppy farmer is exposed that they were evicted from the ANKC some months or years ago, so someone complained, and the ANKC took action. Of course, a lot leave, because once they go to the dark side, they don't want to be in the ANKC. But I do wonder why Mrs Mekyersik is still a member - and then I wonder if perhaps I have been given the wrong info on her - or is she too smart for them? The regs need to be tightened for bulk breeders, and for export. I don't think anyone of us likes exports, and I cannot see why the rules aren't changed to prevent bulk breeders exporting puppies to u know where. You bet.

True

But that is the problem JB. As others have pointed out you just about need to have a week off work to research this full time. And even then so many people lie and deliberately mislead. Separating wheat from chaff easier said than done.

That is exactly what has been happening for many, many years. Some people are passionate REAL dog lovers and will risk trespass charges and criminal record to protect and bring awareness of puppy farms http://www.prisonersforprofit.org.au/?p=385 Stangely enough puppy farms are still about, possibly in greater numbers than ever. So effective behaviour? I think not. And you might need to consider that not a huge percentage of people engaged in criminal behaviour get locked up... Especially the clever ones. Yes. It is effective behaviour to increase awareness. Most criminals are not that clever, mostly from lower socio-economic groups and also poorly educated. Not too many clever ones.

Well as long as it is only almost..........

Many have looked into this with no luck, There has been a few threads on DOL in regards to this. The ANKC can't... Annie99 - I am still really interested in your views on the TPA and breeders. You're right on that one.

Of course there are drug rings, paedophile rings, puppy farmers etc. Greedy people will do what they can to get rich. But I can assure you people who peddle drugs and cook them often end up in the clink, and not a place I ever want to be. well some activist you will be :D I never said I was an activist that would do the things in that link I posted. I said without them, many PF's would never have been exposed. It's not that complicated. Really!

Damn. I am breaking my ignore rule again (thanks for all the PM's everyone) There are some of PETA'S agenda that I 100% disagree with. I certainly don't subscribe to PETA's extreme view that all pets are slaves, and should be set free.

Of course there are drug rings, paedophile rings, puppy farmers etc. Greedy people will do what they can to get rich. But I can assure you people who peddle drugs and cook them often end up in the clink, and not a place I ever want to be.

That is exactly what has been happening for many, many years. Some people are passionate REAL dog lovers and will risk trespass charges and criminal record to protect and bring awareness of puppy farms http://www.prisonersforprofit.org.au/?p=385 this is madness you have got to be joking. militants of any persuasion are totally against my ethics and i deplore those tactics and anyone who undertakes them. Who are the people who have exposed the Puppy Farmers JB????? Is it people sitting around in suits being polite asking polite questions and never ruffling any feathers???.