erinonthefarm

Thanks everyone, its looking much better today and I am packing up to go, We have 5 shows and one obedience trial (obedience trial will be a bit hairy as we haven't trained for a week!)

Not sure what to do, as I am new to showing... Its probably an insect bite and is being treated but should I go in the shows I have entered for this weekend? We are entered in neuter class and I really need to go as we have now missed 3 shows due to bad weather and our road being impassable. Can someone tell me the ettiquete for injuries, btw my dog is very healthy and happy otherwise.

Can't wait!

Must be close to picking up your little one now erinonthefarm 12 sleeps

I did ask the butchers, they would do it but I normally forget to organise it in advance and then don't have time to wait. Woollies and Coles don't seem to sell anything other than whole bits.

I have one already but I don't think a whole cow would fit in it....... Will have to ask, I guess. My husband would be able to butcher it himself though so I don't know if that would make it cheaper...... but still don't really have the room to store a whole cow. I know the station owners often give old cows or injured ones away to the local aboriginal community, I don't think it would matter to the dogs at all if they were old, but I do wonder if they are sick or cancerous, would be bad for the dogs?

I was worried about all the bleach they use to clean chickens with but probably nowhere near as bad as the pet mince rubbish.... because I am vego I spend a lot of time contemplating meat :laugh: I actually spend most of my shopping time in the meat department. First dog has been eating like a king, but OH might begin to notice the cost when I'm buying for two! He already has been salivating over Snipers lamb offcuts. We live next door to a cattle station and if I had the freezer space I would buy a killer off them.

I thought it was abnormally red! oh and the smell was not very good. How can they say it is "choice meat"

Eeew yes, opened the bag last night and it seemed to be mostly liver with lots of blood- gross The other brand seemed better, but won't be buying either again after reading about the preservative causing thiamine deficency

Absolutely correct Crisovar - there are other excellent choices around and I use chicken necks, turkey necks and offal as well - but the OP was asking about pet mince from the supermarket so thats what we've been commenting on. :) Well that is helpful because while I happily forked out for human grade mince as the base of my dogs raw diet, soon we will have two and I am looking to do some cost cutting so knowing some other things to ask the butcher for is handy! They sell pet mince but not sure whats in it, I will have to ask

Is your fence mesh or something similar? Just wondering how the neighbours dogs can see what yours are up to? I've had this problem, and I hung up some shade cloth so the dogs couldn't see each other and it seemed to work. Could you also leave a sprinkler on near the fence (so that it sprays onto the neighbours side too) occassionally so the dogs get put off hanging around there?

I have a neutered Dobe, he is clear of genetic faults by parentage, but if he developed some sort of structual fault, I would continue to show him so I can continue to learn show craft... I consider it like any other dog sport with skills to be gained so if it was corrected by surgery I would keep entering the shows, doesn't mean judges have to award me with anything. If I had a entire dog I would look at it the same way but I would never consider breeding. In the dobes, some things like wobblers and DCM have onset later in life and I would like to see people wait longer before assuming their dogs are good stock to breed from.

I think there is a fair bit of dingo in there! But to my knowledge there is no way to determine that from external physical attributes, all the dingo id in dog management programs is based on skull morphology and DNA. Just love Tarquin- stunning eyes, would love to see what they all look like as adults

And they need to scrap their silent auction crap for animals- they aren't commodities

And to have this way of thinking in metro sydney is just mind boggling! To actually be encouraging people to breed their pets- well they must have a lot of room in their pounds, the pound staff must be happy to pts sleep hundreds of cats and dogs and the council must have plenty of money I really feel sorry for anyone who has to work in that pound or rescues that deal with blacktown, must be like

Omg i didnt even know they came in 4 colours!!, im only familiar with two, what are the other two? The other two (I'm thinking you've seen the browns?) are blue and isabella which is a fawn colour. The blues have terrible skin problems as a general rule, so not very popular.

Just googled 223 and got a few hits along the line of this article "Both processed/manufactured pet food and raw 'pet meat' products can contain preservatives. There may be no legal requirement to label pet food products as containing preservatives. There are safety issues relating to sulphur dioxide and sodium and potassium sulphite preservatives - these can cause thiamine deficiency, which can be fatal. Products specifically marketed for pets such as commercial fresh 'pet meat'; 'pet mince' or processed/manufactured 'pet food rolls' may contain sulphite or potassium sulphite preservatives (sulphur dioxide 220, sodium sulphite 221, sodium bisulphite 222, sodium metabisulphite 223, potassium metabisulphite 224, potassium sulphite 225 and potassium bisulphite 228) that liberate sulphur dioxide. Thiamine (Vitamin B1) deficiency can occur when dogs and cats are fed on a diet containing sulphite preservatives. Thiamine deficiency causes severe neurological symptoms and can be fatal. For decades, sulphite preservative induced thiamine deficiency has been frequently recognised by the Australian Veterinary profession. (please note that thiamine deficiency can also occur when sulphur dioxide containing foods are fed in conjunction with foods not containing sulphur dioxide. This is because the sulphur dioxide in one food can destroy any thiamine present in the other food being fed at the same time). <P style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px" class=textBlock>The Australian Standard for Manufactured Pet food contains clauses that address the sulphite issue by including a mandatory requirement that any product containing sulphur dioxide, sulphite or potassium sulphites must contain sufficient thiamine according to AAFCO guidelines, for the entire shelf-life of the product. This will help to prevent thiamine deficiency in relation to manufactured pet food. However, RSPCA Australia still has concerns about 'raw pet meat' products and any other product that does not fall under the scope of the Pet Food standard containing sulphite preservatives ,which we have raised and we await developments on this issue. The pet meat industry must ensure they take steps to safeguard pets from thiamine deficiency by including a mandatory requirement that any 'pet meat' product containing sulphur dioxide, sulphite or potassium sulphites must contain sufficient thiamine according to AAFCO guidelines, for the entire shelf-life of the product. This will be the requirement for any 'manufactured pet food' that complies with the Ausralian Standard and should be the requirement for any 'raw pet meat' products aswell. Sodium benzoate (E211) is another preservative used in a range of pet food products and products for human consumption. Cats appear to have a significantly lower tolerance against benzoic acid compared to rats and mice. At certain doses this preservative may be toxic to cats. Articles of interest R. Malik & D Sibraa (2005) Thiamine deficiency due to sulphur dioxide preservative in ‘pet meat’– a case of deja vu Australian Veterinary Journal Volume 83 No 7 Bedford PG, Clarke EG (1972). "Experimental benzoic acid poisoning in the cat:. Vet rec (90):53-58 " I think I will stick to the human stuff for my dogs!

Most people know the dobermann, but we normally get "I thought Dobermanns only came in black", So my info grab is that they come in four colours

As per the title, I usually feed human grade mince and offal in my dogs raw diet, but found a brand of dog mince called Prota. The ingredients are Kangaroo Mince, Beef or Lamb Kidneys Vitamins and MInerals (although it does not say what quantity they are) 17% Protein 6% Fat I was tempted to use it because while its the same price as human mince per kg, it has the kidneys chopped up and mixed in which as a vegetarian I did not enjoy doing! Just wondering what level of preservative would be in it- it seems to have a long shelf life of a month refridgerated? And should I be concerned about the added vitamins and minerals? Another brand is Paws fresh lean mince ingredients Lean beef or roo protein 18% fat 2.5% Fibre < 1% Salt < 1 % Calcium 0.2% Thiamine 1mg/kg preservative 223

I had a poo eater! The pinapple thing worked but I also sprinkled chilli powder on her poos as she would eat them when they had matured in the sun a bit.

Get a second opinion from monash vets

I had a puppy with parvo go into my yard (we are at a police station and a relieving member bought his sick puppy out and she then was diagnosed with parvo after pooing all through our yard.) The breeder I decided on was happy to hold a puppy until a week after the last immunisation and I had no trouble. Good Luck, I'm really sorry about your poor little baby and I understand why you would want another little baby soon- I found that having a puppy at least on the way was enough to help cope with the loss of our adult dog. I also sought advice from my local vets and the monash vets who look after my breeder and they confirmed that the risk was minimal.

No, I wish! My breeders are very tech savvy though so I get lots of videos and photos. Lucky you getting to visit. Good luck with the breeding for your baby, are you getting excited already? I tried to not think about names or anything until the puppies were born, wasn't overly successful!

Congrats SJP, I was in that position 3 months ago, and now I only have 4 weeks till my little baby Marksman So Savvy (Savannah) arrives! Yay What breed is your future puppy?

Toy- Griffon Bruxellois Small- Border Terrier Medium- Novia Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever Large- Groendal Giant- Maremma Because its only theoretical I don't have to worry about all that hair :laugh: