fuzzy82

In Europe dogs live inside too. I'm from Europe so my dogs are inside. While I get the logic of keeping dogs outside while you're at work, I really don't see the point in getting a dog and then keeping it outside full time. Where's the enjoyment in that? Around here there are several houses where they have SWF, and they are left outside at night, even in the cold spell we've had lately. Fair enough for dogs that get too hot inside, but SWF are lap dogs, they're supposed to be with their families. Also, I would never keep mine outside, they might bark, we might get complaints, someone could poison them, someone could steal them, kids might open the gate for them. Plus, because my dogs live inside, they are much more comfy inside than outside. When left outside if we go out somewhere they usually stress and run from door to door wondering when they will be let in, while if they're inside they just go to sleep until we get back. And when we walk through the neighbourhood at night, nearly every house has a dog in the yard that barks at us as we walk past, which sets off the other dogs on the street. I personally wouldn't appreciate being woken up late at night by barking dogs.

Are you allowed to import e-collars to Australia? Because I know you can't import prong collars.

Cheque? Is there a way to pay by direct deposit?

I'm in Moreton Bay council. I didn't end up reporting it, I figured as most of you said that there was nothing to report, and also we haven't seen her again. If we do see her I will still pick my poodle x up, for some reason she's being really reactive lately (have to do some work on that) and leave my other one on the ground and just keep walking. Her problem if she can't control her dog.

We walk down our street, then there is a path into the cul-de-sac from our road so we enter at the end of it, then walk out of it and into other streets. where we do a loop and end up back at our house.

Nope, I don't cause my dogs to react. It's my reactive dog that causes the other one to react. Unless you think I'm the one who caused my puppy to become reactive in the first place?

maybe she was worried the other dogs might get off their leads and rush hers? What a mountain out of a molehill this is. Dog was in yard, made no attempt to leave yard, all it did was bark and do zoomies. The OP's dogs also barked. So what. Completely agree! And why would the lady in her yard have her dog unleashed in an unfenced area if she didn't have some confidence that the dog wouldn't stay in the yard. I would never have mine in an unfenced yard near a road as I don't have complete trust in her and her road sense/recall so for this lady to even have brought the little dog out the front must mean they probably do it often and the dog stays within its parameters. I don't believe she was confident that it would stay in the yard, the fact that it was loose doesn't mean she was confident. 1. It's a cul-de-sac, so hardly any traffic, 2. It was 10 pm, and everyone else seemed to have gone to bed. The dog didn't do "zoomies" around the yard as a playful thing, the woman called it and it then started running around to get away from her, thinking it was a great game. Yes, it forgot about my dogs while it was doing that, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't have rushed my dogs if we had kept walking. We were still pretty far away at this point.

Not just aimed at you donatella but everyone that has made this comment. Why the hell would you take a risk with your own dog in this situation by going past- Even a little dog can do a fair amount of damage it it bites in the right place, let alone psychological damage to the dog AND the human. We had a thread not long ago about how to deal with dog attacks and I do think the attitude that while it sits within an inch of being within the law then we should ignore the problem. Even though it is quite clear that this particular dog is not under effective voice control and is reactive (based on the OP's description of it barking). I always think of dog ownership as a privileged that shouldn't be a burden on others- it means I pick up dog poop, move off the path if someone less mobile is coming along and generally try to keep my dogs as inconspicuous as possible. I doubt the OP would have noticed or cared if the dog in question were not reactive- but it was. So the question I would like to pose is it ok for a reactive dog to be uncontrolled with nothing to stop it accessing the public?? I personally don't believe that is OK regardless of the law- its just common sense!! I would report it- if nothing else so that the ranger can educate the woman on her responsibilities and her liability if the dog were to leave the property. Well said.

I hardly "harassed" her. That comment suggests you haven't read anything I've said. And yes, I can pick them up, but why should I have to? My dogs were on leash and under control, other than a few barks from one of them, which was completely out of character and thus couldn't have been predicted or prevented, but once she did bark I picked her up and got her under control.

Poodle x maltese, which is the non-reactive one. And she's not yappy, she might alert bark ONCE at things, but barking more than once at anything has only happened mayve twice in her life, so barking 3 times a the loose dog was really weird. The other one is a JRT x, he's the one who used to be quite reactive.

Yes, it was actually. My non-reactive dog (supposedly) was the one that went over the top, which is why I picked her up. It's worth noting that the first night it happned the dogs didn't really react to it, they sort of perked up and looked interested, but that was it. It was only the second night that they decided to get crazy over it. My dog don't generally have any issues with other dogs as long as they keep their distance. We walk past several houses every single day where there are dogs barking at us from behind fences. The dogs don't even look. A couple of weeks ago we walked past a house, on the same side of the road, and there was a maltese on a long line running around out the front of the house playing with two kids, as well as a group of adults standing right at the footpath chatting. The dogs barely even glanced at them. So I'm not sure why this particular dog is such a big deal, just one of those things I guess.

Well, from a behavioural standpoint, you're already within the threshold distance that's triggered the other dog and your dog's reaction. How is remaining within that threshold distance helping? If you want to difuse the situation, get beyond that distance - for both the other dog and yours. I never understand why people think the best solution to these situations is to stop and THEN place their dog's in a more vulnerable position by asking them to sit or drop. I didn't ask him to sit, he does an auto-sit due to the training he's had. He was sitting quietly, he chose to sit on his own, and we just waited for the woman to grab her dog. I could have tried to drag him away to help get the other dog below threshold, but as he was sitting quietly and the leash was loose, it would have caused more stress to try to drag him. I was carrying my other dog, so I wasn't in a position to get down and entice him to follow me. And if the other dog hadn't been off leash it wouldn't have happened anyway. My dogs don't really care about other dogs that are on leash. The only reason they cared was because it was running around.

Yeah, I'm thinking there's no point reporting it. Doubt that there's an invisible fence though, it seemed more like the woman had taken the dog out the front to let it run around for a bit. Why else would she be hanging out with it out the front? And if there was a fence and the woman knew the dog wouldn't run up to us, why did she try to grab it?

We were across the road. And the dog was that far away and barking and still didn't leave its yard? What's the problem? I agree. If you have issues controlling dogs reacting from that distance, I think it's unreasonable to expect other people to solve the problem. Time for some desenstisatuon training. If you read my post above, you will see that my dogs are pretty good. They don't react to people or dogs on walks unless they're in our face. This situation was something out of the ordinary, and I controlled my dogs. They lunged and barked a few times because there was something unusual happening, so I picked one up and kept the other on a short leash and in a sit until the woman had her dog under control. Why aren't you suggesting that the woman with the untrained off leash dog does some recall training?

We were across the road. And the dog was that far away and barking and still didn't leave its yard? What's the problem? I think, and I could be wrong, that fuzzy was worried the dog WOULD leave it's yard and so didn't want to walk past until it was secured. That's right, we're not gonna just stroll past a dog that has barked and growled at us, and which the owner has no control over. That's like asking for trouble. How could anyone even think that we would do that? We were still about 30 metres away and across the road when the dog stopped and growled at us. How is it a good idea to keep walking at that point?

Dogs are not allowed on your property unless adequately secured - ie either there is suitable fencing that they can't jump over or they are physically restrained. Why should fuzzy need to see this woman's perspective? She was breaking the law, fuzzy was following it. You obviously don't have a DA dog - taking your dog out is like walking a minefield. If everyone just obeyed the law it would be a stress free experience. I always leash my reactive dog and it has been over a year since she has even growled at a dog because I take steps to control her. However, numpties who think their dog is allowed to do anything make this very, very hard. Fuzzy - Report her to the council. She has done this twice. I have no sympathy for people who don't make any effort to secure their dogs....and find another walking route. Thanks. My reactive dog is pretty good these days, 99% of the time on walks he's better behaved than most other dogs we encounter. The only time he reacts is when idiots let their off leash dogs run right up to him on walks, which happened a couple of weeks ago. We were out walking in a bush area, they were off leash, and I saw a guy with 2 dogs approaching. I immediately called my dogs back and put them on leash, then went about 5 metres off the path. The guy only put one of his dogs back on leash, leaving the other one off leash and free to approach us, which it did. I called out to him to call his dog back, he ignored me. So I called out again, and at this point I was holding my reactive dog back to stop him from starting a fight, he was growling and trying to lunge. The guy did nothing, except told me to "just keep walking". So once again I told him to call his dog back, he ignored me. I then called out that he should be able to call his dog back if he's gonna have it off leash, but he just kept walking and ignored me and eventually the dog followed him. So yeah, very little tolerance for idiots these days.

We were across the road.

I see what you're trying to say, but it didn't unfold that way. We didn't see the dog as we were walking along. As soon as we noticed it when it stopped and growled and bark at us, we stopped. One of my dogs went over the top and barked several times, so I picked her up to keep her quiet. My other dog then sat quietly and watched as my hubby went up to the woman with the dog. The dog I left on the ground is the reactive one, so he's been taught to do an auto-sit whenever he sees something. We then stayed in that spot with my dogs quiet until the woman had caught her dog and hubby signalled that it was ok to proceed. I carried one dog past, while keeping the one on the ground on a short leash, and he walked reasonably calmly, until we were past the house.

My dogs were on leash, and thus under control. They don't normally bark and lunge at other dogs, but it was dark and the situation was out of the ordinary, first they are barked and growled at, then there is a dog running around at full speed, and they were on leash so they couldn't run up to investigate, causing frustration. In any case, I'm not complaining that the dog wasn't trained, and I'm not saying my dogs are so much better trained than hers (even though they are). I don't care if people train their dogs or not, but if they're not trained I expect them to still be under control. For an untrained dog that means keeping it on leash.

Generally, no, I wouldn't expect a dog to be on leash on its own property. But if the dog is untrained and likely to run up to people and dogs, then yes, I expect it to be on leash wherever there is likely to be other people and dogs, including out the front of its own house. I would never have my dogs off leash if I didn't think I could control them. My dogs aren't DA, but one of them is quite reactive, and he tends to wind the other one up when he's having a moment, which is why we hung back and didn't just keep walking.

No, there was no fence, the dog was loose out the front of her house, but technically on her property. We didn't intend to confront her, we hung back waiting for her to get her dog under control, then suggested she keeps it on leash. I don't have an issue with off leash dogs, as long as they're trained and under control. We see a guy walking his ACD off leash at night quite a lot, which has never been an issue. But when people let their completely untrained dogs out and the dog seems semi-aggressive towards me and my dogs, I have an issue with it. If the dog had been barking and growling at us, but was on leash and under control, I wouldn't have an issue either. But we had to wait for her to get her dog, because it was aggressive, untrained and off leash. You'd think she would be a little bit apologetic about it.

Every night between 9:30 and 10:30 hubby and I take the dogs out and just do a quick loop around the neighbourhood. On Friday night there was a house up ahead where a woman was standing outside her house on the phone (I think) and her little fluffy off leash wandering around the front yard. When it saw us it started barking and growling, the woman called it, and she then had to chase it around the yard because it thought it was a fun game to run away from her. We had stopped to wait for her to get her dog under control, as I didn't want it running up to my dogs. When she finally managed to grab it we kept walking, and hubby called out to her that her dog should be on leash. Last night we went for a walk again, as usual, and once again the woman is out the front with the dog loose. Once again it starts barking at us and then runs away from the woman trying to catch it. I hung back with the dog while hubby went up to her and suggested that she gets the dog to follow her inside rather than chasing it around the yard. So she finally got it under control, and hubby once again suggested she keeps the dog on leash. As I caught up with hubby I commented to him how stupid it was for her to have her dog off leash out the front two days in a row. I didn't intend for her to hear this, but she did. She called out that it was her property and she's allowed to have her dog loose. I responded with "no you're not" and she told me to "f*** off" and disappeared inside. If she'd apologised for making us wait and her dog winding my dogs up to the point of being ridiculous (the loose dog doing zoomies around the yard made my dogs bark and lunge), it wouldn't have been so bad. It happens. But seeing as she was so unpleasant and with such an entitled-to-have-my-untrained-dog-off-leash attitude, we have decided to report it. But technically her and her dog remained on their property the whole time, the dog didn't go after my dogs. So just wondering if leash laws apply? We did have to stop and wait for her to get her dog, because she had no control, no recall, the dog didn't listen at all. If it happens again tonight I'm thinking I won't hang back, I'll just keep walking. Why should I be nice and wait for her to get her dog?

You should be aware that boarding and training is usually very heavy handed, because they need results as quick as possible, otherwise their clients aren't happy. So they usually go straight for the check chain or prong collar and use it liberally. I know a lot of people are ok with that, but I'm not, and I think one should know that before signing up for boarding and training.

Pixie is the friendliest little poodle x ever, she seriously loves everyone. But she barks at everyone walking past the house, and will run to the front door and bark if someone is coming up the driveway. But as soon as you open the door for them she goes into bouncy happy mode and can't get enough attention and cuddles. Dogs are so silly sometimes.

Bit silly to not insure a dog that is worth that much....