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So right both of you - will not let it worry me any more - chalk it up to experience - all is fine now and I am just putting it behind me.

I get my puppies microchipped when I have them vaccinated at about 7 to 7.5 weeks - I always microchipp the whole lot in my own name that way less chance of error and incase any pup not yet ordered - I put their registration papers in, in the new owners name once all have been sold and collected because you cannot register a pup without microchipping. I send or give the microchipping and change of ownership details for the microchipping to the puppy buyer and I sign the change of ownership form (which can be downloaded off the net) and they transfer the pup to thier own name for the microchipping records cost is $7 and no one has complained about doing this. I post the registration papers out as soon as they come back - that way they are all registered in the new owners names - some pups go at 8 weeks when not flying if flying I like them to be at least 9 weeks - so far this has worked for me.

Totally agree Showdog - and to tell the truth its been so depressing for me personally - I said to my husband today should I write and once again try and explain my side of it - I just don't know if to leave well enough alone or even send her some money for out of pocket expenses she would have had for the 7 months she was with them. I just don't know what to do - my mind goes back and forth one minute I think they probably found it too much another dog when they had her as well as another 2 and then I think why did she not give me any indication of what she was thinking instead of just dropping a bomb on me with a short and curt email that she no longer wanted to continue the arrangement. It still has me baffled. The pup however is the least concerned she is fitting in well and shows love and affection to both my husband and I and is happy to romp with the others.

She is back with us again now and is happy as a lark.

Just an update - all 10 pups are doing so well and mum is a different dog since I started feeding them - they have 3 meals a day and a little milk from mum and the nanny - mum has her old get up and go back and the pups are getting so knowing they were 4 weeks today. Busy times ahead.

She is to be dropped off at my son's house in the morning - will let you know. Hope no more problems from it all.

Thanks Christina she is the daughter of one of my girls and was here till last Saturday for two weeks she was good and very respectful of the puppy room yes I do feel for her getting shoved from pillar to post but my husband and I will take good care of her - experience is a good teacher and won' tt do it again.

The dog is now coming back to us - she won't let us come to her house never would and is going to drop her off at my son's house she sent me a text to tell me this was what they would do. , she honestly seems to have it her head that my husband and I were really horrible to her , it has hurt my feelings and I know my husband did say unless she was prepared to pay for the dog then return her. So this is what is to happen I am happy to take her back she knows us well but I feel so upset that it ended in such an awful way when all I was hoping to do was be kind. My son rang and she was very civil he said so her husband will drop her to his home on the weekend. I just wish this had all not happened it has left me with such an awful feeling about it all. I think the lady is not at all well and I do feel very sorry for her I think perhaps with all her health problems another dog was just too much on her but why o why did she just not communicate it with me. Well there is the sad story wish it could have ended better I really do.

Will send an invoice as she has not got back to me - if she does not contact me and offer to pay - it will be put in the hands of a debt collection agency - if I loosse all the cost of the pup in fees I don't care I feel I have been totally taken advantage of.

Thank you for your reply - yes all you mention was in the contract - and I was always lovely to this lady - I honestly was - I know what you mean about the horror stories of breeders infact she said she had read these - but I feel she could have spoken to me not just sent an email - after I had minded the pup in season for 2 weeks telling me she did not want to go ahead with it now. I feel now after the way she has treated me that I could never deal with her - she to be honest does seem somewhat neurotic and I know there are some really unscroupulous breeders who would take advantage of a person but I had no intention what so ever of doing this and we talked at length about all the possibilities before we signed the contract - I guess with hind sight I may have chosen better words than "do you still want her" but she had left her with me and not contacted me once to ask how she was and was vauge about a pick up date - I wondered if indeed a pup was too much for her and if she would come back - as she does have another 2 dogs as well. I wish she had talked it over with me - but she wrote rather unpleasant things in her email and I feel I could never deal with her in this way ever now. I don't want to take the dog from her she said she loves her - it would have been good to get a litter from this little girl but I can live with this not happening - but I feel I should be compensated as per the terms of the contract. In the contract it said if she changed her mind and would not go ahead with a breeding she should pay the full price for the pup and I would sign it over to her. Contract also stated litter at approx 2 years, and yes if the bitch didn't poove worthy of breeding I would sell her to her for half the original price, she even wanted put in if I died the dog would not be taken from her - can just imagine my husband going to claim another dog with me dead and buried - that bit made me laugh but I still put it in for her. I was even nice enough to offer some part of the profit from the litter and said she could stay over at my house to be present at the birth - what more could I have done - to be honest I did it more because I felt so sorry for her she said she lost $4000 by having paid for the original pup she bought and the vet fees for it and then having it put down - I wanted to help her she seemed so upset by all that had happened. Of couse I was happy enough to be able to breed from this pup if she turned out as expected but as one would know after all expenses I would not have made much on one litter especially if it was a small litter. The way of paying up front and a refund once pups come seems a lot better way to go for the breeder - as I said to her at the beginning it involves trust on both sides - but to be honest I won't ever do breeders terms again with anyone.

Be very wary of Breeders Terms unless you really know the person involved - I am at present going through the most horrible drama over this - I had a woman come to me with a sad story telling me that she had bought a pup from a show breeder here in Brisbane only to find it had hook worm and dislocated shoulders - she said so bad that she had to have the pup put down and the breeder offered no compensation - I now wonder if all this was totally true. Me being the soft touch I am offered her a lovely pup on Breeders Terms - gave her this pup free of charge and paid for its full vaccination and had her sign a contract that she would come back to me for 1 litter as payment and then I would sign her over - she asked me to take her for 2 weeks back in February and I did - she says she told me the date they would pick her up but I remember asking as she left the date and she was somewhat vague and said she would ring me - the whole 2 weeks she did not ring once to enquire how she was then 2 weeks later rang to say they would be coming to get her - I asked if she still wanted her as I thought perhaps a pup was too much for her - and she said yes she did want her so didn't say anything else and she took the puppy home. Two weeks ago last Saturday she brought her back to me as she was having her first season - and asked me to take care of her - of course I did this without a moments hesitation and then this Saturday her husband came and picked her up from me - the dog was in better condition than when she came - I thought she seemed a little too skinny - but didn't say anything. That night I received an email from her saying she did not want to go ahead with the arrangement because of the way she had been treated!!! I had never done a thing to the woman only entrusted a beautiful pup to her when she came crying to me. I replied to the email asking exactly what I had done - she said in her long, long stupid email that she had talked to others and she thought I was going to keep the dog after she had the litter for myself as I had asked if she still wanted her the first time she left her with me - she said she felt I was only using her to rear a pup and then I claim her and reap the rewards when she had a litter - nothing could be further from the truth this is my first time with a stranger so to speak. My husband is so irate with her that he wants to either claim the dog back or else make her (as in the signed contract) pay the full price for the dog. I would not put it past her to take the dog and have her desexed -I could never in my wildest dreams work with the woman in a breeding program now and what is more she raved on and on about her own health issues and no money and does not even want to pay me for her - my blood pressure was through the roof yesterday from this and I feel so hurt to think I tried to do a kind act to help someone and this has happened. I have come to terms with the fact that I won't be breeding this little girl but feel I don't want to let her just get away with what she has done to me. I am going to send her an invoice for the pup as per the signed and witnessed contract - but if she won't pay what avenues do I have? - I still have the registration papers of course in my own name but it is a pet home so these will be of no real consequence to her - have the signed and witnessed contract. Its not so much the money to be honest I just feel I have been totally taken advantage of. Moral to the story - never again will I go down this path - I feel like a fool to be honest - they say dealing with people makes you hard and I totally believe it after this.

Well we have made it past 3 weeks now - the pups were 3 weeks on Friday. All going well and I started them on 3 meals a day yesterday - divetalact, farex and advantage rehydratable soaked puppy food - boy did they get into it. Mum or Lady Jane as I now refer to her as will feed them and give them a bit of a looking over and The Nanny or Cinderella does all the mothering stays with them all night while Lady Jane comes up to sleep on our bed - should have had this when I was rearing kids!! But all is going well and the mother is coming back to her old self - still giving them a bit of milk but looks to be diminishing - this size litter did take a bit out of her. The nanny has a bit of milk to give but not much. Next step is moving them into the bigger pen - the fun will really start now.

Yes its a wonderful thing to see and do hope it all continues as well - thank you all for your lovely words and advice. Thought you maylike to see "The Nanny" with the pups - she is so devoted to them strangely enough even more than their mum - guess mum was getting tired with 10 full on babies - but there is nothing like a helping hand or paw in both human and dogs it seems.

My nanny girl is now producing milk checked before I went to bed last night - her teats don't seem near as full as the puppies mothers but at least she is able to help her now. The two of them were in there feeding this morning some puppies on each. It's a relief now as I was worried about the mUm but to be honest she seems a lot less tired now and quite happily came upstairs last night to sleep on our bed while leaving nanny in charge.

I have tried to squeeze the Nanny's teats to see but no milk yet but the pups are still sucking on them at times - was wondering how long it can take to produce milk if they are not their own pups - I have heard of this happening before - knew a breeder who took in a poodle from a rescue shelter that had been kept as a breeder in a puppy mill and when ever a bitch of this breeder had a litter she would produce milk and go and try to get one of the pups to care for - it had been her whole life and all she wanted to do - she came in handy when they had big litters or mothers not able to feed - dogs are amazing aren't the.

Things are going very well mum and the invader who we now call the nanny have it worked out to a tee - mum seems to have become the feeder and nanny become the motherly one - when mum finishes feeding nanny gets in and cleans them up and lays down with them and they all snuggle up to her - mum is more content to feed and then lay around getting her energy levels up again. We did take her for a ride in the car yesterday and she did enjoy it very much - also at night now she feeds them and then nanny get in and so between them they are coping with all 10 pups which are very plump and contented - they will be 3 weeks on Friday so today I will try again with some food . We now see the nanny as a blessing.

This does not happen thankfully just seem to be accepting each other. Mind you we never leave them alone and when mum gets in we make sure the other girl is out while mum feeds them tried the pups on a little farex and divetelact last night still not interested so mum cleaned it up actually mum seems to be a little less tired last couple of days got a new calcium syrup includes vitamin d and the nutrigel may be helping.

Pups were 2 weeks on Friday my mother dog is feeding them well and they are all getting quite plumb little things all 10 My mother is very tired a lot and when she gets out of the box just lays down to sleep. She is eating well and I am giving her divetelact drinks several times a day as well as puppy food mixed with raw meat, cheese , chicken necks, cottage cheese, 2 doses of calcium a day plus a little nutrigel. My other girl is wanting to be constantly be in with the pups and we are letting her do this as she cleans them up and it's a little less on the mother, mum seems happy to lay around after she feeds them and rest, I guess 10 pups is taking its toll, she is not panting or wobbly on her legs just seems so lethargic , mind you she perks up if she thinks she can get out for a walk or go in the car not that we let her . We take the other dog upstairs at night and leave mum with the pups. When the other dog is in with the pups the try to suckle but there doesn't seem to be any milk. I will be so glad to get them on meals to take a bit of pressure of mum. Give the pups a little divetelact from a dropper but the don't seem too interested they never cry so are obviously not hungry or cold. Doing my best so hope all continues ok and my mother dog will be ok.

All going well - and mum and babies going great - my sweet invader is only allowed very limited supervised visits which seems to be ok with everyone.

My invader is back home came back this morning - seems she did fret a good bit of last night - she was so intent on getting in with the pups this morning that we let her for a while but it became apparent she wanted to take over from mum so we have become quite firm with her and she is not allowed in any more - we shut the door while we are not in that room (they are in the room we watch tv in at present) and when we were in there kept her away from the pen. She seems to be settling down - took her for a nice long walk to get her mind off it all and she is very obedient especialy with my husband so she is learning that the other girls pups are not for her. Feel sorry for her though she loves being a mum and was so gentle to the pups but wanted to take over.

Thanks for your kind words - I needed that.

The "invader" did get into the box again and didn't want to get out - the mother didn't seem really stressed or anything but she is scared at times of this dog as she is dominant over her - I picked the mother up and put her in with the pups and the "invader" and the "invader" gave a little snap at the mother - nothing really to worry about but it did set my alarm bells ringing and so we took her out and would not let her back near the pups again even though she wanted to - rang a friend who loves "the invader" and she took her tonight as we had to go out for a couple of hours - all seems fine with mum and her puppies - so when "the invader" comes home will keep her well away till the pups are a bit older. I miss "the invader" so much tonight though and feel sort of guilty that she has been farmed out for a night but better to take no chances. Hope you don't think me awful calling her "the invader" but want to make this post clear on just who is who. Love them all and want to give this litter every chance to go well. They will be 12 days tomorrow - will be so glad when they are old enough to feed - will start with divetelact and farex at 3 weeks to help mum out. All are quite plump pups and mum is eating and drinking well - a lovely litter but 10 was just a big litter for my little girl. My biggest worry was not that "the invader" would harm the pups but that she would try and claim them for herself and try and keep their mother away from them.

Thanks for that - I will ring my vet first thing in the morning - gave her one little dose of sugar and water may give her another before I go to bed. That must have been a real worry for you - sometimes in hind sight we wonder just how we got through things.

My girl does seem a little depressed when feeding sometimes like you been giving her heaps of calcium rich food divetelact, puppy milk, cheese, chicken necks as well as her food and about 15 Mls of calcium syrup a day The lucasade drink is that the drink you buy from the chemist sort of sports drink ? I will try her with a teaspoon of sugar and water though and see how she goes.

My girl does seem a little depressed when feeding sometimes like you been giving her heaps of calcium rich food divetelact, puppy milk, cheese, chicken necks as well as her food and about 15 Mls of calcium syrup a day The lucasade drink is that the drink you buy from the chemist sort of sports drink ? I will try her with a teaspoon of sugar and water though and see how she goes.