55chevy

And don't they know when it's bikky time

It indicates bile eruption which can happen with hunger, I guess it's similar when missing a meal ourselves where hunger turns to feeling a bit sick. Dieting the dog with a reduced intake may take an adjustment period, but a dog biscuit between meals generally stops the vomiting of bile. It happens with pups often overnight when getting over hungry. Does he need medication from the vet or should I just give him a snack? The adjustment in food i did over days not immediately. I would just try him on a dog biscuit last thing before you go to bed which should fix things. Vets often prescribe something like Mylanta to squirt down their throats, but essentially it's bile with no food in their stomach to work on and is a very common problem especially if the dog has one large meal or goes 12 or so hours without food I have found. Feeding two smaller meals a day can overcome the bile regurgitation also.

Yes, my older boy did that regularly when he was young which led us into a habit of giving all our three a biscuit last thing at night which fixed the problem.

Yes, it is a bit scary, but I guess it's no different than some official trades, car mechanics, carpenters, hair dressers etc can all operate a business without formal qualifications too With dog training/behaviourists probably recommendations and word of mouth from others is the best bet. Some of the franchised training outfits provide an 8 hour course for your 20k I have heard, that's scary

It indicates bile eruption which can happen with hunger, I guess it's similar when missing a meal ourselves where hunger turns to feeling a bit sick. Dieting the dog with a reduced intake may take an adjustment period, but a dog biscuit between meals generally stops the vomiting of bile. It happens with pups often overnight when getting over hungry.

It's good to hear the Foxy survived. I think the problem more is the size difference of the dogs. If the Foxy was a GSD or Rotty for example and could handle it's self physically against the Akita, it often results in a bit of a scrap more so than severe injury infliction with the big versus small scenario. Males of similar size, the less dominant one's don't generally have a go and will submit to bullying. The worse fighting combo's I have always found are a dominant male and dominant bitch together, and the bitch will hold a grudge too

In 2008 I spent a lot of time in consultation with the department about the new state act , and I did speak to them about that particular law. Did anyone explain why the dangerous dog law was not enough, since it already covered dogs who "scare" others? And already had all the required penalties applied? The dangerous dog law was too much. The new law means that dogs that cause (reasonable people) to be fearful, or who are only involved in a minor incident don't all have to be declared dangerous any more. There is now an option for council to give a milder penalty than just having to declare a dog dangerous. The standard fencing laws are written fairly weakly though, which is fine given that most people make sure that they have an appropriate fence for their dog. But not all dog owners do bother with appropriate fencing, and this law enables council to act on aggressive dogs that are behind dangerously deteriorating fences. It is a prevention thing. Greytmate, Would you say that a barking dog behind a good 6 foot colourbond fence would be considered appropriately secured to aviod a menacing dog order??? But what if it still scares someone? People aren't always rational about what scares them. So does the owner have to build an even bigger fence, then? I've had a woman act terrified as I walked my dog past her on the street (politely, on leash), turns out she was just terrified of anything that looked like a GSD. Goodness knows what she would have done if the dog had barked. I don't think that makes my dog menacing, but it sounds like technically, under this law, the dog could be declared so just on her word that the dog was scary? I think a solicitors involvement could shut that scenario down fairly quickly and is probably the reason the law is not acted upon in large proportions being too difficult to make accurate assessments of a dog that hasn't done anything versus someone's state of mind. Some attacks and bites don't aquire enough evidence for prosecution at times and trying to prove fear, good luck, I am thinking even if someone wet their pants, they could have done so purposely to exaggerate the situation

Excellent news I have read a lot of Steve's training strategies he has written, and after 22 years of my own experience as a professional service dog handler and trainer along with amateur dogsport, I have seen good and bad over the years. Steve has similar strategies that reflect the views of the best trainers I have ever known and worked with, for what my opinion is worth, I think Steve's approach is superb and is nice to hear good positive feedback. The hardest job in dog training is having the ability to teach people how train their dog which appears that Steve has the package

The Jafco plastic muzzle (made in the USA) is the best I have used to prevent poison ingestion as the ventilation holes are round and the tongue cannot pertrude as happens with the basket muzzles or any jaw restricting front opening models. I have run GSD's with the Jafco over 10 mile stints with no respitory restrictions and should be able to find them on the net.

My akita is a gentle giant that loves kids and the rest of the family. The foxy is a very dominant male and he started it. Normally my Akita walks away but i suppose he fought back this time. It's been years since I've broken up a dog fight. I've never had to lift a dog for so long to stop aggression. I lifted him and twisted his collar then pinned him on his side till he calmed down. Sorry to hear about the poor Foxy, you did well with the collar twist to administer a release and commend you for the action. Dominant little dogs can be a pain in the butt for large dogs and given that Akita's not unlike other breeds that have genetic fighting drive, they can strike back when they have had enough and sadly the little dog will come off 2nd best. Hope the Foxy comes through it ok to start some behaviour reshaping on him. I don't see from what we know that anything is wrong with the Akita and probably lost his cool for good reason. The heavy correction and alpha roll would have helped set a boundary of consequence to fighting already, hope all goes well

In 2008 I spent a lot of time in consultation with the department about the new state act , and I did speak to them about that particular law. Did anyone explain why the dangerous dog law was not enough, since it already covered dogs who "scare" others? And already had all the required penalties applied? The dangerous dog law was too much. The new law means that dogs that cause (reasonable people) to be fearful, or who are only involved in a minor incident don't all have to be declared dangerous any more. There is now an option for council to give a milder penalty than just having to declare a dog dangerous. The standard fencing laws are written fairly weakly though, which is fine given that most people make sure that they have an appropriate fence for their dog. But not all dog owners do bother with appropriate fencing, and this law enables council to act on aggressive dogs that are behind dangerously deteriorating fences. It is a prevention thing. Greytmate, Would you say that a barking dog behind a good 6 foot colourbond fence would be considered appropriately secured to aviod a menacing dog order???

I say this with respect and compassion for the owner Huski, but this is a typical example of dog gone out of control with too much drive for conventional motivational training. There is clearly a point in the dog's development where this type of dog must be switched to include aversive based training to set boundaries, consequences and redirect drive. In the hands of an experienced K9 trainer this dog's behaviour would not have escalated into killing cats and needing to be rehomed. As a gesture Huski, next time you argue aversion versus motivational training, think about this scenario and remember the mess that occurred training a dog in the wrong methods unsuitable for it's type.

Amypie, I think colourful descriptions are warranted when dogs lives are lost from methodoligist trainer's inability to train and rehabilitate a dog purely on the basis of refusing to use particular training methods. A good trainer will determine which methods to use on each individual dog in the dog's best interests, not in the best interests of their methodology and unfortunately, Susan Garrett tops the list of methodoligist trainers and for that reason, I have little respect for her. The reason I have little respect for methodoligist trainers, is that they would prefer to have a dog PTS when it doesn't respond to their methods over applying another method of training to rehabilitate the dog's behaviour and allow the dog to live it's life. I apologise for having a problem with dogs facing death row at the hands of methodoligist trainers recommendation for euthanasia when their training methods fail with a particular dog. Susan Garrett and trainers who aspire to her methods have and do provided some wonderful training results and they have many great concepts, but they also have some poor concepts that cause the unnecessary euthanasia of dogs that are easily rehabilitated had these trainers applied methods outside of their square. It's more important for these trainer's career to spruke about their success in training without applying corrections, but what they don't tell us is what happens to their failures which are sadly PTS. Chevy, I don't think you'll find Susan Garrett is out there spruiking her ability to rehabilitate dogs - that is not her bag. She has published Ruff Luv and that did work for her and her dog, but to my knowledge she does not profess to be in teh business of fixing damaged dogs. I understand your issues with trainers who only use one method and have a blinkered approach, but until you have seen her or her staff train in the context in which they specialise I don't see how your opinions are valid or are contributing to the conversation. The problem I have with Susan Garrett personally, is that she is major motivator of anti aversion training groups outside of her agility specialisation which spills over into the greater dog population where her concepts don't work. Her training camps which accept all breeds and types are strictly no choker, prong and E collar camps is the wrong concept for breeds and types outside of her 30cm agility success.

Amypie, I think colourful descriptions are warranted when dogs lives are lost from methodoligist trainer's inability to train and rehabilitate a dog purely on the basis of refusing to use particular training methods. A good trainer will determine which methods to use on each individual dog in the dog's best interests, not in the best interests of their methodology and unfortunately, Susan Garrett tops the list of methodoligist trainers and for that reason, I have little respect for her. The reason I have little respect for methodoligist trainers, is that they would prefer to have a dog PTS when it doesn't respond to their methods over applying another method of training to rehabilitate the dog's behaviour and allow the dog to live it's life. I apologise for having a problem with dogs facing death row at the hands of methodoligist trainers recommendation for euthanasia when their training methods fail with a particular dog. Susan Garrett and trainers who aspire to her methods have and do provided some wonderful training results and they have many great concepts, but they also have some poor concepts that cause the unnecessary euthanasia of dogs that are easily rehabilitated had these trainers applied methods outside of their square. It's more important for these trainer's career to spruke about their success in training without applying corrections, but what they don't tell us is what happens to their failures which are sadly PTS. I would absolutely guarantee that a balanced trainer like for example Steve Courtney (K9pro) would have more success in crate games over a wider range of dogs than Susan Garrett, Steve may even use an Ecollar on some to get the right response where Susan's methods would write those dogs off

I guess that makes you 'unbalanced' as well. Susan Garrett's work is method based and she's a major supporter of anti-cruelty movements in dog training which is a fine approach for some dogs, but not all. However, trainers of the Susan Garrett mentality cause massive issues for the owners of dogs that don't respond well to her methods which leads to unnecessary euthanasia of dogs that would otherwise be perfectly rehabilitated with a trainer balanced in methods with a wider vision. Bronte was a Belgian Malinois X Dutch Shepherd trainee service dog that was seen wearing a prong collar. A Susan Garrett type trainer lodged a complaint that the dog we were training was suffering from cruel training practices and that we were training the dog wrong. The trainer was invited down to give a semimar how to train and handle dogs with humane methods without conflict and cut a long story short, Bronte was used for the demonstration. I was asked to remove the disgusting prong collar and fit Bronte with a flat leather collar and hand the trainer the leash. The trainer did a couple of circuits with Bronte, a sit and drop and commented how this dog didn't need a prong collar and how cruel and inhumane we had been. Bronte looked up at the trainer, his tail stood vertical as he ommitted low curdling growl. The trainer asked what is he growling at when I told her in about 30secs he's going to come up the leash at her. She promptly handed me the leash and walking from the room telling us that Bronte should be PTS. Bronte was a dominant highly driven working dog with genetic social aggression that needed to understand that the handler was tougher than he was, and once this boundary was established, Bronte was putty in your hands. Bronte went on to do public displays in protection work where after his routines, he would sit for the kids and their parents watching to come over and pat him and give him a treat. We could have taken the advice of the tree hugger who recommened he be PTS The point of sharing this story, Bronte was too much dog for Susan Garrett training methods to apply. Any trainer so hung up on methodology to prefer a dog be PTS to save it from suffering the aversion from a prong collar to shape the dog into a decent canine being IMHO is not a trainer's bootlace ;)

I am interested in what you have actually done to try and reshape the behaviour???. Has the dog had any retraining on an Ecollar anything like that???

It's a sad and stressful situation that I understand well. but out of interest, has the dog been assessed by K9 type trainer who specialises in drive behaviour???.

If you give the command to get in her crate - then yes she should drive in with enthusiasm. If nothing further happens, the dog is free to chill out whatever way it wants (as long as it doesn't break the plane of the door), especially if the crate door gets shut. Ideally not barking its head off. We had one dog at SG's workshop that kept running in her(his?) crate instead of staying out to do the work, the crate was part of it but a task needed to be done first but that dog was gone already. I don't blame it - there were lots of very excited dogs around and it was a little bit anxious. 55chevy: Susan Garrett's crate games is 1. getting dog happy in the crate 2. getting the dog to act with self control (stay and recall) 3. getting the dog to work into and out of the crate with enthusiasm and speed that can be "transferred" to other tasks like agility work. Agility sport is a race - so getting a dog to work as fast as it can, is often part of the goal. And Crate training the SG way can help with that. If you're not into dog sports, you might not need crate games, but if you do want a nice enthusiastic recall and a really solid stay without fussing then maybe you could use it. You do have to watch it over and over to get the sublties of the training, and even then - there are still questions or ways to misunderstand it which get sorted at Say Yes training seminars. Thanks for the explanation Mrs Rusty Bucket appreciated I will stay out of this one, I just realised who Susan Garrett is, she is a methodoligist and tree hugger, pro halti anti choker, prong, Ecollar activist, an unbalanced trainer in my view, not interested

it's a specific program 55chevy, devised by Susan Garrett. There is a heap more to it than just not being happy laying in a crate. Way to much to explain here & do it justice Fair enough, still don't understand it's purpose other than conditioning a dog's behaviour in the crate???

I would have thought the clicker is an addition to food luring on the same principal resulting in a situation without the clicker and food, the dog won't respond. I agree with Erny on the marker words, the less equipment required the better, but to me it sounds like the dog hasn't learned clear boundaries of the behaviours that are not acceptable.

I am not quite sure what you are needing to achieve My youngest GSD was crate trained as a pup and has always slept in his crate with the door shut. To get him in the crate, the command is "time for bed" where he dives into the crate and gets a biscuit, eats it and lays down for a snooze. Is the dog playing up in the crate and won't settle perhaps???

Yes exactly, I agree. People could also lodge complaints on the basis of not liking someone or their dog claiming fear resulting in a menacing dog order that isn't really warranted. There are many fence runners who bark at people close to their property in large proportions which is quite normal dog behaviour that could too easily be vulnerable for an issue to be lodged against them unfairly under this legislation.

This menacing dog legislation is rediculous the way I see it. A dog is allowed run the fence line and bark, providing it doesn't cause anyone fear???. How is fear, a state of mind confirmed???. Anyone could say they feared a dog secured behind a substantial fence, I can think of a dozen dogs that bark behind fences in people's yards that I would fear if they got out, but it's not logical to fear a dog that you can see the fencing properly prevents the dog's escape I can't see how they can act upon a state of mind that can't be confirmed if a person genuinely felt fear in a particluar situation.

You are doing the right thing NicoleL for what my opinion is worth and a credit to you for speaking up and sharing your dilemma. I am confident that Nekhbet will set you on the right path, she is highly experienced with aggressive behaviour I have heard from all accounts, good luck, your girl will be fine I am sure

For years we have had dogs that will bite including retired service dogs that are protection trained which have a valid place in todays crime waves that keep the home and family safe. It's a matter of training and management of dogs "like that" amounts to following a different path of responsibility than what normally occurs with freindly docile dogs. In the OP's situation there is a massive rehabilitation process awaiting before anything as dramatic as PTS to be considered just yet.