Swanbrook

I am after the Australian national average hip and elbow score levels for 2011. For Bullmastiffs please.The level they say is for the use of breeders to guide their breeding practises.

CRIKIES Sandra 777 on the 300 acres we have at Millmerran Qld we have got Goanna that would carry a Pekingese off for dinner and come back lookin for the pups. Electronic devices are the way to go mate!

Hey everyone,my 3 Bullmastiffs will if i let them. The are in air con all the time and if i let them sunbake they get sunburned. True.. They are all light fawns and they too lay on their backs and all under where the skin is visable goes a dark. then at night they get itchy from it. I sunscreen them and all the itching goes.Just like the kids.

LOL! Elly (Rotti) - Elysha (her actual pedigree name), Els, Elly-mog, Mog, puppy, puppy-mog, darling One day I tried calling her random names seeing which she would come to... she responded to anything similar to the above... she didn't come for Brunhilda though hehehe Lexi (Bengal kitten) - Electra (was her inital name, but Lexi is easier to day!), Lecki-puss, skitty (guess why LOL), ninja kitty (DP's 2yo niece couldn't say Lexi, and DSD1 was teaching DN to say "lexi come" so DN was saying "Lecki, come!" so that is where Lecki comes from ) Syd (kitten from RSPCA, but looks and acts incredibly like a Russian Blue) - Sydney, little man Yes Tone has a bit to do with it as well. I live on 5 acres and my 2 BM's come to their own names Mystro and Chello but for both together "Big Dogs" brings them both bounding.

Hello all, i just had to comment on how cheep it was for such a crappy job. cheers.

Yes im with Gaylek on that. I own Bullmastiffs and as lovely as they are sometimes you must lead your dogs. But Gaylek sounds like an experienced owner. Thats why this dog if relocated should be done very carefully to everyone's best interests new owners and disposers. Be hard to sleep otherwise.

Congratulations on your new Dog.. Sounds like you have a real lady on your hands. I have a Bullmastiff i rescued from a dog breeder at Capalaba Brisbane. She had been bred by this person who was breeding with her from a young age and had 3 litters out of her at 2 years of age. I went to this address to look at pups advertised and when i arrived this dog was segregated from a managery of animals includeing several breeds of dogs. The woman said she was savaging the other dogs and she was unsociable. She was in an awful state of fitness. Not starving but obviously had never recovered fully from a litter of pups. My attention went to this dog and i started asking about her and ended up buying her from this woman for $300 no papers. She refused to sell with papers...I wonder why??? Not really but both me and the misses new we had to get that dog away from that person. Now she is 3 years old and we had her de sexed immediately along with all her needles and heartgard programme and a name change from Snuffy to Sunny Girl and she has settled in with my other 2 beautifully. Its been easy to resettle her with lots a love. And she just loves our other dogs two. Another Happy Ending.

I dont know about that because when you "Google Dogs online" well the "cccq/Dogs qld" are right there next to them. I think 1 person driveing up the coast is a worry and not much of a guide about anything. Do the right things,promote your own kennel and dogs, If they are good and you prove to clients the quality of your stock and your methods of breeding is produceing quality then what is there to worrie about. Politics and scare tactics from other organisations and there members are always going to rock your boat. Worry about you and your kennel and any inspections that may come along because it is in the rules already so doesnt matter what changes, they have always had the same powers as this new system.Lets see what they do with it and make our minds up then. And as far as how the members of Dogs Qld are going up here in qld we are fine and we are a cautious lot so anything takes a little time to sink in. All our breeders are Good people with years of experience behind them and will do the utmost for their animals no matter who or how things are changed in our system. Everything written here has been speculating. Has 1 breeder from any breed been visited? Even 1? Also Dogs Qld does give out the names of breeders if you call them inquiring about puppies. In fact they will tell you to have a pen ready as they read them out over the phone.

I can well imagine it would be a huge task. Who would be able to start it? You? Would you begin the ball rolling Stonebridge? If I could I would! Sadly I dont think many Queenslanders would be up to wanting an ex kiwi to try to save the Qld doggy world. ;) But you can Stonebridge..thats the whole point. Its simple for all breeders to do what they can. JUST BECOME ACCREDITED AND A MENTOR...That gives you the chance to do everything on your watch. But its the same with all breeders...thats what i think this system is really all about. Breeders policing breeders. And who better for the job. The badge of credibility.Who cares about kiwi or not. Thats a whole other argument. Besides its a job to big for any individual its a team project for sure.

I have said this in another thread, If they want something that makes the good breeders stand out why don't this issue an award or a membership themselves - Not buy it, it is issued. Money can buy anything. ANKC would pick and chose who got approved - im not sure how they would do it, to me it has more merit then buying the Label of "Accredited Breeder" I started this thread because i was indeed confused with the new system and breeders interpretation of it. Personally i always believed the breeder who shows their dogs and wins rewards for doing so over and over with numerous dogs was accreditation enough as this is one of the factors i used when searching for my dogs. But i have learned that not all breeders show their animals. Their are dogs in kennels around owned by breeders who resent the show scene and its competitiveness and stay clear of it that own some very exceptional dogs. They also dont run other fellow members or their practises down. They are more concerned with their own animals and couldn't give a rats bum about what old misses whoever that has been doing whatever for 30 years is doing. They Breed to keep! then place their remaining puppies with homes they trust. Yes as a member of the cccq/dogs Qld i wish they didn't start this new system and had of just policed the one we had. But their were nobody to do the policing.Well maybe now with this new system they the breeders who become accredited and mentors are the ones going out and inspecting all your kennels. How are you all going to feel about that? What are you going to do if one of these cunning puppy mill accredited breeders come to inspect your kennel? Then condemns it for what ever reasons? I think throwing off at those accredited is also very silly and perhaps if you know something about a shonky breeder you should have made your case before now. Why dont we clean up our system? Why do breeders not come forward and expose those doing the wrong things? In my mind if you know or see and keep it to yourself you are as BAD as the offender!!! I hope the new system does work and finds every single breeder who is outside the Rules and names , shames, and expells them all. THEY ARE COMING and the sooner the better.

I had 2 of my dogs go through the whole thing with general anastetic and everything went well untill the Vet sent my xrays to Wyburn who as this thread explains he is ill. Now the vet tells me they are trying to get my xrays back to send to AVA and have them done there but i wont hold my breath. Cost me $1200 for the 2 of them. My vet is very experienced with manipulating the dogs for the best xrays. Hope this doesn't drag on for weeks and weeks.Bloody annoying.

I never thought of it much before but when at home or alone with my dogs i treat them like a dog but when in conversation with other people about my dogs i do refer to them being like my children so as to express how important they are to me. Just like my children. They are dependent on me!

NOPE, I've just accepted that those too frightened of being subjected to scrutiny will condemn anyone who has the courage to stand up and be counted. All I see written here is a reaction to fear of discovery. Belittle, discount, condemn and take all steps to destroy something which is threatening to you. I'm a much more positive person than to choose to become part of that. And yes, I'M AN ACCREDITED BREEDER !!!!!! AND PROUD OF IT. Can you say that No I didin't think so. Please dont say that...The road got tough so you folded..Is that what an accredited Breeder should do when put under pressure??? I hope not. You had me for the whole thread till now!!! Now you look like a week jerk that has just proven all these negative responses just may have some credibility to them. Shame on your accreditation.

Wags I can see that you have totally ignored the views of experienced breeders expressed here. Of course you know better, know more than anyone else. Especially those old, stupid breeders who know nothing. Good luck to you. Not just "experienced" Lowenhart, but four of them who have made comments in this thread, I absolutely admire and consider they set the benchmark when it comes to breeding practices , welfare and producing quality dogs. Yes it makes it hard if you are being mentored by long term outstanding breeders who refuse to except the new system. As a new breeder with only 15 years experience with my breed i can see the value in it but how can all that experience of my mentors be disregarded and if i do disregard them who writes the references????

Taken from Dogs Qld Breeder Accreditation The Facts. HERE Maybe the Breeders don't feel the need to pay the fee to "prove" what they are already doing. I don't how you can call it going out of their way to comply IF they are already conforming with and surpassing what is already in place. Just a thought. When i say out of their way i mean pay more fees and the system also mentions mentors whom have to travel to other breeders and check on their kennels. Wouldnt you call this an extra activity for a breeder whom normally would be concerned with their own kennel,shows ect. I would call that going out of their way. They dont get paid for their service. I'm from a different state than you but there are plenty of Bullmastiff breeders who are on both the giving and receiving end of breeder mentoring networks across Australia and they are certainly concerned with more than just their own kennel or showing. It is not about being paid or joining a program or being told you SHOULD do it, these are people who are interested in doing their best for the breed and working with like-minded people and they would do this regardless of whether there was any accreditation system or not. JR JR i asked the question originally because i dont know how many bullmastiff breeders there are in qld but there is only 1 that is now an accredited Breeder by the CCCQ/Dogs Qld and i think good on her and i don't think accredited is a dirty word. I in fact admire her and her ethics as a breeder. There are a lot of breeds and this touches them all and differently. Its what i expected as we are all as different as our chosen breeds.

In light of the fact that virtually everyone who has replied to you has said some of the accredited breeders are very dodgy, perhaps you want to revisit your thought process on this one. Yes i think you are right! I think a hell of a lot more inquiring into it is needed.

In light of the fact that virtually everyone who has replied to you has said some of the accredited breeders are very dodgy, perhaps you want to revisit your thought process on this one. Yes i think you are right! I think a hell of a lot more inquiring into it is needed.

I would like to thank everyone who has posted a reply to my question and it is clear by the responses where this system sits with everyone. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. I am only trying to learn more befor i do make my mind up. I am a member of Dogs Qld and i have read all the rules and constitution and in my membership it does state thing for health hip scores to breed and age to breed i must abid to. So i dont know what you mean when you say the cccq dont do anything about health requirements. I must have joined a different cccq

The Accredited breeder system has it's failures. Those who have been breeding for a large number of years and witnessed the dodgy goings on that have happened in the past can see how the Accredited Breeder system is flawed. Their lack of participation is a strong indication of this. As it stands the accrediation system does nothing to weed out the unethical. And it does not provide a significant improvement for buyers. So why should a breeder who is highly ethical pay the extra money for something that gives no more protection to buyers and that they do not believe in? Again i thank you for this educating information but now you are asking my original question WHY? Thats what i asked and got me to here! this is what we need to here so we can make informed discussions but dont slap me with 30 year ago stories i want to know about now and tomorrow. This is in place and what NEW COMERS OWNERS BUYERS BREEDERS ARE FACE WITH...we didnt creat this system the new people.

What "other proffessionals"??? A reference from your vet is the only requirement from a professional , whoop whoop. A reference about what. Mr ABC brings me puppies once a month for vaccination and pays their account on time is a reference. "Reference" from another breeder - the other breeder doesn't have to be accredited or have any experience or any qualification other than they managed to fluke their way through a stupid open book test and managed to think up a prefix no one else had registered. Of the two, the latter is the harder one. References from 2 puppy buyers. Is it OK if they're my mum and my brother? Is it OK if the pups are only 10 weeks old (owners of 10 week old puppies almost always think the breeder of their puppy is great). Is it OK if the puppy buyers actually have no clue at all that they have been ripped off big time for substandard animals at inflated prices? Your faith in the system is what I am laughing at. I have spent the last 32 years and more money than I even want to consider improving the health and temperament of my chosen breed to say nothing of the physical soundness of the dogs I breed. There is nothing in the accredited breeders scheme that requires people to breed from dogs which have been health tested, are mentally sound, even vaguely represent the breed they are meant to in any way shape or form. No knowledge of the breed is required AT ALL. Not sure how your 15 years of maybe thinking about perhaps owning a dog I might breed from qualifies you to even begin to judge a system you patently do not understand. But there is in the membership to the CCCQ. Sorry for Questioning the system and please dont take this as a personal atack on you and your years in the dog world but you dont make the whole thing sound any good and not something a normal person would want to be a part of. SHAME...Mabe you been doing it too long. And out of all these corrupt vets and people you have encounted or seen in your years have you ever tried to stop it????? Report corruption or simply sit back and complain. Sorry but you make me very angry. If you dont do anything how does it get fixed????Infact to do nothing or not to question is to be as bad as those abusing the whole system. The rules of the ccc state clearly about health check and scores ect so why should this.

OK i dont think you see my point!!! Read below and it mentions the PUBLIC yes the one buying pups!!!! This is who the system is for!!!!! not the breeders... " We have been gathering information from the surveys since September 2009. Our intention was to find out what breeders do and how those practices are perceived by the buying public. The results of the survey from September 2009 to February 2010 were presented at the General Meeting in March. In its own small way, the survey has produced enough data to establish that most of our member breeders are conforming with and surpassing Dogs Queensland Rules and Regulations and Code of Ethics." So again i ask if you are not accredited why would a member of the public buy a dog from you????????because its cheaper???? I breed to keep... but i am still going to have to home a litter of puppies. That means working with the needs of the public. OK maybe this is the way of the new Generation of responsible breeders. But I too also rely on the experience and knowledge of other long term Champion producers and i thank them for that.

:laugh: :rofl: Accreditation proves the applicant is willing to pay a fee. I dont think that is correct as i have looked into the paperwork and their is more involved than simply paying money. It would take lies from a vet and other proffessionals to slip the system. And Sandra i dont think this is a laughing matter!!! It affects everyone in qld. You may laugh but i wonder what it is you are laughing at. All the time and money people put into produceing their dogs is not to be laughed at. a billion dollar industry. Perhaps to you it is a hobby but most devote their lives to produce and be the best they can be.

Well so far i have not herd any real good reasons why not to back the system except for COSTS or not having FAITH in the system because it has already been infiltrated by less than honest breeders which somehow seems to be stretching things with unproven statements about their practises. Doesn't Accreditation in fact PROVE the breeder is preferred by the CCC its self.....? Surely the CCC wouldnt support bad breeders known to them from the old system.

There is 1 Qld Breeder out of three who advertise on the DogsQld website. So what? Maybe other breeders dont wish to be part of the scheme because they dont wish to pay yet another fee when they already have good breeding practices and care about the Code of Ethics and minimum breeding ages of bitches. But not everyone is squeaky clean though. See you stand your ground on your decission not to join and pay more fees but then you STATE but not everyone is squeeky clean though!!! Well wont this system help solve that statement????