loveastaff2010

hi all i posted a couple of weeks ago about finding a red stafford pup and thanx to a lot of help are awaiting a litter hopefully from a mating planned for later this year. from a very reputable breeder who from reputation doesnt put money before the welfare of her dogs etc, anyway i was talking to a friend of mine who was looking for a stafford or as she calls them english staffys,now no matter what i tell her she doesnt see the point in buying a puppy with papers if she only wants a pet lol i have been over it hundreds of times with her. anyway she has found a upcoming litter of unregistered pups due next week. the dad is black brindle and the mum is blue fawn she is trying to tell me its possible to get blues,reds and blacks i dont know much about the genetics of colour would this be possible. the pups come vacc,wormed and microchipped apparently i asked about health testing but the people have told her both parents are healthy and thats all she cares about. oh and she wants a girl i wonder why????? anyway was just wondering on possible colour combinations if anyone would know hopefully the bitch is just faking being pregnant although i doubt it again just wanted to say a huge thanx for helping me find a great breeder

No, it is not done a lot. It is not uncommon for a sire and a dam to share some common ancestors, however, this close a mating is extremely uncommon. Occassionally in the past these types of matings have been done by extremely experienced breeders who understand the 'lines' behind these dogs and who are striving for a particular outcome, and often where the gene pool is very small (not the case with the SBT). Clearly, this person is not an experienced breeder, and I would struggle to understand why it would be necessary to undertake such a risky mating (the closer the mating the higher the risk of getting some nasty recessive condition come through) in a breed like the SBT where the gene pool is quite large. Most breeders strive to put their bitches to the best dog for that bitch, and often that dog is owned by some one else. In this instance I really feel that this person wants to use the father over the daughter just because that's what they have in their yard. Agreed. I know of a couple of very experienced breeders (of my own breed) who have done an uncle/niece or Grandfather/Grandaughter mating. In the case of the Grandfather/Grandaughter mating, years of planning went in, it was an AI (the sire had passed away) and he was an extremely successful show dog (one of the most successful of his breed ever in Australia). I would run a mile from any new breeder who was talking about a father/daughter mating unless they had a VERY good reason for it and support from a more experienced, established breeder. Does this breeder also own the sire? Is he titled? (Letters CH or Gr CH before his name for show titles, or letters -eg CD, ET, ADM- after his name for sporting titles) Does she show or trial her dogs? Why has she chosen this particular pair? With so many excellent examples of the breed around (SBT) a good breeder will more often look outside their own backyard when deciding on a mating hi again yes she also owns the sire he is a blue fawn,no she doesnt show and im not sure if she does any other activities with these parents.also another thing is how old must the sire be to register the pups,she said the pups mum was 12mths in jan,the father was 12 mths at the end of may.if the pups are 2 weeks now i dont see any possible way he would have been over 12mths as i thought they had to be(for the litter to be registered)when these pups were conceived i have a couple of excellent pms sent to me from people more knowledgble, and based on this have decided to look elsewhere for my new family member thank you everyone for your help

also sorry the pup comes vaccinated and wormed and i presume it would be vetchecked with vacc

hi again everyone,i think i will have to have a serious talk to my children and hubbie tonight and explain what has been said here like i said im just looking out for whats best for us and our new pup.a dog is a lifelong commitment.i want to make sure we get the right dog. also another question i have the breeder is talking about keeping a female from the same litter and putting her father back over her.is this done a lot.i know a lot of people have different opionions on this

hi agan everone thank you for your replies i will ask the breeder again about microchipping and will asl ask is its possible to view copies of pups grandparents test results i have just looked at the listings and might email a few of the breeders on there as well to keep our options open we hadnt looked on here the add we found was on petlink shes a gorgeous pup the one we have fallen in love,but i really want to do the right thing by ourselves and our new family member our last stafford was brindle and we are really wanting a red girl this time around although we are open to the idea of a red male as well thanx everyone

hi everyone im just new here.i was going to post this in the breeders forum but couldnt.i just have a few questions if you dont mind me asking. me my husband and 3 kids used to own a staffordshire bull terrier female for 14 yrs that passed away a couple of mths ago and are now looking for another. we are in qld in rockhampton. i found a add for some in nsw and have viewed pics of the parents and papers and puppies and have fallen in love with one in particular of the pups the lady who is selling them is quite good and seems very nice she has offered to take the price of freight out of the cost of the pup.not that we minded paying freight. there is a few questions i needed to ask those with more experience however firstly i asked the lady about testing for diseases and she said that she was sold them clear by birth.do i need to view certificates or something to prove that. secondly the pups dont come with a microchip as she has told me she was told it is better to wait until they are 12 weeks to do nthat is this ok or do you recomend asking for the pup to be microchipped thirdly and the most important is i asked about her prefix and she said that she had sent her exam away and was told that it would take 3 weeks to come back however the pups are already nearly 2 weeks old. will these pups be able to be papered or does she have to have a prefix before the pups are born sorry for all the questions just want to make sure we do the right thing and end up with a papered pup besides that the babys are gorgeous and we dont want to fall in love with a pup that isnt what we want thanx everyone