GardenofEden

Yes it is tragic and very sad and they do deserve compassion, no two ways about it. I agree that their wealth has nothing to do with what's happened. It was more of an of topic comment, didn't mean to make it sound like it did.

Having read L Ron Hubbard's pulp sci-fi books, I'm not a fan of his or of his 'religion', but I think it's a wee bit out of order to blame the dogs and his son's deaths on his belief system. I didnt quite word it correctly, Sheridan. I should have said that instead of giving money to such a religion perhaps it would have been best to give the money where it is most needed which is OT anyway. It is tragic what has happened. Yes, it is, and I think it's none of my business what Travolta does with his money. Oh well, this is a forum and one should be allowed to state one's point of view providing it isn't of insult to anybody. At the end of the day what Travolta does with his money is his business but given the state of the world it would have been nice if instead of giving millions to a hypocritical establishment like Scientology he would have put the dollars to better use like helping animal welfare. If only I had a few millions to spare I know what I would be doing.

Having read L Ron Hubbard's pulp sci-fi books, I'm not a fan of his or of his 'religion', but I think it's a wee bit out of order to blame the dogs and his son's deaths on his belief system. I didnt quite word it correctly, Sheridan. I should have said that instead of giving money to such a religion perhaps it would have been best to give the money where it is most needed which is OT anyway. It is tragic what has happened.

Nah, didnt mean to make it sound like religion had anything to do with what's happened to the poor dogs. I was just having a moment.

I have tried citronella collars and found them a dismal failure. The dog got used to the spray and it didn't seem to bother her one little bit.

Hurt? No. Find it aversive (not a pleasant feeling)? Yes. And the split second the dog has stopped the bark, no more aversion/sensation. Unlike citronella, the smell of which remains on its coat and the dog has to endure that even though it is no longer exhibiting unwanted behaviour. Erny, are static collars and shock collars one and the same? I purchased a shock collar and left it on my dog for 8 hours at a time and after the 4th day, I was horrified to find that the prongs has literally burnt a hole in the dog's neck; I hate to think how bad it would have been if I had left it in place 24/7.

wrong thread lol

I do occasionally share food with one of my dogs but not within view of my OH, he also thinks it gross and would promptly give me a sermon which I can do without.

I never hear of german shepherds posing a problem? I hear what you are saying, it is true that dangerous dogs can be as a result of bad owners but how does one discriminate good owners from bad owners?

Nice looking dog and thumbs up for taking him in. I'm no expert in ASBT but isn't he a little long in the muzzle to be a purebred?

yes bully seemed to think he lived here and constantly got out i only got ranger to take him because he couldnt stay here and i left a note on his owners place to say he was here but a week later note still on front door untouched so i called the ranger and took the note off 3 days later they came to see if he was here. and yes she did say from the tan. also marks on his nose and his eye are from escaping. he had the most beautiful nature i lifted his head out of his food bowl (not always a smart thing) to clean his eye. the ranger was a real **** . she jerked his neck with the lead and started screaming at him when she had him out the front because he stood up when another dog went past. she also told me i should be charged for theft because i let him stay her for a week What a frickin moron! She should have been grateful that you were kind enough to look after the dog for a week, never mind saying you should be charged with theft. Just another idiotic moron.

I cannot believe that such an incident would take place, God only knows! As others have said, seems like the Travolta's have been plagued by bad luck lately. Perhaps it is time to forget the very existance of Scientology. Not saying that this is why they've have had bad luck but perhaps it is well about time that they give some of their cash to more deserving institutes rather than Scientology which I equate to a leech. Edited cause I usually go 100 miles an hour and leave out a word or two.

Nothing would make me happiest than to hear that the worst is over and that Jed is on the mend. Please Jed, may you get strength from each and everyone of us here.

I am flabbergasted at the amount of support directed towards a DOL poster. I do commend each and everyone of you. I am only new to this forum hence I don't know Jed; I did hear the news on tv and found it upsetting at what had happened. I would never have guessed that the person involved was a part of this very forum. I was so touched that every one of her dogs were a part of the family unit. I am just so touched and sorry that this had to happen but such is life and now it is time to move forwards so I can only pray that all will fall into place and that Jed will come back stronger than ever. Anybody that loves their pets is a friend to me. All the very best of karma to you Jed. May life smile at you from now on.

Yes, they should be told and the world should get together in order to stop them from continuing such barbaric practices! Boy oh boy, you sure did your best to fit in and you most certainly did which I find horrendous for someone that regards herself as an animal lover. While I am at it, is there anything you haven't gotten around to sampling yet?

I could never visit China. If I were given a free holiday to visit that country I would refuse! Anyone that says "oh but we eat pork, beef, etc" miss an important point; we do not set out to cause the animal untold misery in the belief that the meat will taste better or be more tender. There is no excuse for what transpires in that horrid country. Lots of lovely chinese people here though. I just hope that those very people directly responsible for such atrocities and also those who know about it and eat such meat be made to die a horrid and very very painful death.

I agree 100%. I asked in a previous post as to whether the vet carried out a parvo test as I was surprised that the dog came down with parvo even though he was immunised. I am absolutely appalled that the vet attempted a blind guess. Time to change vets, I would not darken the doorsteps of such a place

Ditto. Well, I have just googled Lab x poodles and they don't quite look like Chelsea. Seems that the lab x poodles have a slightly more profuse coat. I can't imagine a lab x poodle turning out black and white either but then I am no geneticist. My lab x poodle boy He has a very sparse very shaggy coat! He is a rescue thou so no idea if he really is a lab x poodle. From what I know of his history he was taken out of a puppy farm at 6 weeks that was closed down, then he was at the pound, then he went to a foster carer who ended up being very dodgey apparently and my boy didnt come out of a tiny kennel (cell) till he was around 12months when he was rescued by a REAL rescuer and came to us not long after that. He was a very broken dog still is really but I love him...well most the time! He is beautiful, he is lucky that you have rescued him. I really feel for him given that he had to live in a tiny kennel for so long, some people have no heart or conscience! He does appear to have a thicker coat to Chelsea.

Sounds like you may have hit the nail on the head ellz although I can't guarantee it at this stage until I speak to the breeder as it was never stipulated to me, at the time, that the pup was on full reg.

Yes, that is pretty much what I meant. I didn't feel that I had any reason to be suspicious given that the option to purchase the pup with full reg. was made available to me. I really did not give any thought in trying to obtain limited reg. papers. I felt confident in the knowledge that I was purchasing a pedigree pup and am still confident in that thought.

I have always found it to be common practice in having to pay a substantial amount more if wanting to purchase a dog with full reg. papers. As I said in an earlier post, I spoke to a few breeders and all wanted far more money if I wanted a pup with full reg. I have found this to be always the case even as far back as 20 yrs ago. I am disappointed in finding out that this isn't always so and if not for this forum would not have known any differently given that I have never struck a breeder that was prepared to sell a pup with full reg. papers for the same price as a pup with limited reg.

Just had a look at the 4th photo - bloody hell, that is one seriously gigantic dog; well, that proves it - Chelsea is no wolfhound. Thanks raineth.

Thank you for the link LM4. I didnt know that lab x poodles turn out in either fleece, wool or hair. I suppose it all depends on whether a purebred lab is crossed with a purebred poodle or whether it is a case of multi generation breeding. I can't quite tell what the 'hair' version looks like, wonder if that is similar to Chelsea...although I would hasten to add that Chelsea appears to have a wiry coat. Need a new set of glasses here. Is the 'hair' version the same as the 'wire' hair ?

I will make a point of speaking to the breeder and will ask if that is indeed the case. You have raised an interesting point here ellz. There was no mention of a photocopy of the reg. papers for the pup itself which leaves me feeling like a dumbass and I normally consider myself to be....well, let's say of slightly above average intelligence. I don't profess to be a brain surgeon though. I just hope that this thread doesnt turn ugly; please everyone lets keep it cool.

Are you positive? If you only saw photocopies of their registration certificates, you won't know what colour they are (unless they were coloured copies). Limited Registration and Main Registration certificates are printed on different coloured paper with different coloured ink. I have the address of the breeder. I did check with Dogs Queensland before purchasing the pup. The breeder is indeed legitimate. I specifically asked Dogs QLD to compare notes with the photocopies that I had and it is true that the photocopies I have are exactly like the originals and the originals are definitely not of limited registration. Thanks. The breeder still would have had to register the pup with dogs QLD and the breeder may be retaining the papers to use on a dodgy dog to breed from? Maybe having a couple of back to back litters with a bitch but using the pups papers! It has happened before I hope that isn't the case I don't really know as to why I wasn't supplied with limited reg. papers, but the breeder sounds very nice and genuine to me and I do have a great dog that I am over the moon about; I could not have hoped for a better cavalier.