dwayne pype

What ever. As I said, different strokes for different folks. However, what you claim about pre the limited register is just not true. Even if the breeder did register the entire litter, they would simply not issue the papers for those puppies sold ''without papers''. Only the naive would believe breeders would continue to breed at a loss, everytime, out of the goodness of their hearts to supply people they generally don't even know with a valuable animal they have strived so hard to achieve perfection with. That does not compute I'm sorry. Only three decades? - I've have you by that & half that again. But I am curious about which breed & what is general price asked, that would require 50-60 puppies from one bitch to make a profit. The general rule of thumb is, sans complications, two puppies will break you even. One covers the stud the other covers the vet & registrations. What's an average litter? - four?- eight even? six maybe? yes? - no? there has to be a profit there somewhere - in most cases. I lost a little on my last litter. A 3a.m c section with complications saw loss of puppies with only three survivors. one paid the vet, i kept one & the other almost, but not quite, covered the vaccs & micro chipping - then i had to outlay for the registrations . It was a loss, but not substantial. & my first btw - the c section at that hour did the damage. I know people who have had dreadful tragedies with litters & lost everything. But that is the exception, not the rule. P.C. is all well & good. But does it reflect reality? Generally, no. I.M.O.

That is simple. That is true.

When "pit bulls'' first came to prominence sometime in the eighties they weren't promoted as loving companions or family pets but rather as biting, fighting unstoppable super dogs & aimed directly at a niche market. The target? The Thuggy McWannabes & his like minded associates. & Thuggy & his associates certainly wanted these dogs, as did shyster, anything for quick buck, scumbags who saw massive profits to be had & jumped on the band wagon. Puppies were going for up to $10,000, yes, $10k per. & demand far outstripped supply. Long story short, Thuggy & the shysters were breeding like crazy to recoup their capitol outlay & get into the black. Ethics, genetics, even breeding pure to pure was lost on these entrepeneurs & the ''breed'' suffered irrepairable damage. All that was left was a trail of ruin, a load of rubbish, &, for the most part, in the dubious hands of the irresponsible. The dogs were starting to make the news for all the wrong reasons. & continued to do so, Thuggy love the publicity, it was good for business. As with everything, forunes eventually reversed & the supply eventually outweighed demand. The prices dropped. The going price fell to as low as $200. Then the saviour of the Thuggies appeared on the horizon - like a knight in shining armour, it was the B.S.L. - the ''breed'' was banned, all kinds of restrictions were put in place to ensure the ''breed'' would die out. Thuggy smiled It was manna from heaven for Thuggy. All the B.S.L did was drive them undergroud & create a blackmarket. Demand increased. Prices starting to skyrocket. - Thuggy was happy. Thuggy was in the money again. Nothing had really changed. B.S.L is a no brainer, but it is here to stay. At least for the forseeable future. No pollie would want to be known as the one who repealed this obnoxious legislation if a kid was mauled by a ''pit bull'' what ever the #@*& that is. It is just easier & safer for them to leave things as they are. All the while the REAL APBT was being nutured by committed ethical, registered breeders. They are handsome, reliable, faithful companions. Bred to a standard for conformation & temperament - They are the American Staffordshire Terrier. It would be pleasing to see all the "pit bull" would be saviors get behind the real deal now that it has been put squarely in the line of fire by uneducated, uninformed & badly advised persons. Get behind the ANKC registered, recognised pure breed - the American Staffordshire Terrier - now. Tomorrow may just be too late.

Different strokes for different folks. A thought, Are those charging a flat rate for all their puppies charging a pet price for their show/breeding prospects or a show price for their so called pets only quality. & who is the more honest. those openly charging premium for premium stock & less for the pets or the alternative. If one considers all the puppies of a litter to be equal, why not place them all the same register, charge accordingly & be done with it. Btw, all puppies were not listed on the main register prior to the raising of the limited register. only puppies considered worthy were registered & the others not registered at all & sold ''without papers''. Just in case anyone is wondering, I don't see making a profit on a litter as a capitol crime either. As a matter of fact I would wager most registered, ethical breeders do make a profit most of the time.

On the contrary, if breeders are selling all puppies for the same price, regardless of which register they are on, it's the Main Register puppies that are from the ''discount bin.'' The Main Register is, in theory anyhow, the place for those dogs of the exceptional qualities sought to carry the respectives breeds forward without compromising the integrity of the particular breed & as such are more valuable than those that aren't so highly regarded. What breeders wish to charge for their ''product'' is up to them. I am simply saying Main Register dogs are a more valuable asset than their lesser register counterparts. I would even go so far as to say a dog which can be exhibit as a prime example of its type & whose progeny can also be main registered, exhibited & bred from is worth infinitely more than one which is finished as far breed advancement is concern. At least double in fact. However, I repeat. What a breeder charges is their own personal business, but an individual breeder shouldn't be made to feel like a profiteer simply because they think their breeding is worth more than the next breeder. Some invest astronomical amounts in their breed, while others pick up a puppy from the Trading Post. Everything is relevent.

There are a couple of interesting points that became obvious from reading the ''Limited Register" topics. One is that ''entrepeneurs'' are making a killing preying on the gullible. I find it hard to believe someone would part with $2500 for anything at all without doing at least some rudimentary rësearch on the ''item'' &/or the vendor. Yet people seem happy to throw away their hard earned for a (usually) poorly bred puppy simply because it carries a diluted gene. Most peculiar. The people could have bought two beautifully bred stunners from an ethical, reputable, registered breeder & had change. & quite a fair lump of change at that Secondly, those threads make it patently obvious a Main Register, registered dog is indeed a much more valuable asset than its Limited Register counterpart & as such breeders are well within their rights to charge more for them. As a matter of fact, they are silly not to. It isn't so much about the money, it's about protecting the integrity of pure breeds. Why cheapen the Main Register by giving Main Register dogs away for a pet price? Beats the heck out of me. One good thing to emerge from that thread tho is the dog in question isn't on the main register. So that was a good outcome.