Kettshep

Let the TCA know...!! They are simply not interested at all... Simple as that. Waste of time and effort besides that when the crunch come the support will dry up so quickly. Funny that..! People can complain but when it comes to the crunch they'll all withdraw in case they offend someone in a [supposedly] higher position Long may we complain because no one will get up and be counted and Lord help them if they do!

Needless rules?? These rules are put in for a reason and a fair one at that IMHO. I also doubt that this rule discourages newer showies. It's one weekend a year (not even for some breeds). I took the time to read rules and regulations with this sort of thing, why should someone be able to claim ignorance on a matter such as this? Exactly the very bone of contention! Are the rules fair? Not if in your state you cannot have a National! If Tasmania could have a National for GSD's then maybe we could possibly consider the rulkes "fair" but when a state is excluded by it's own National body from having a National then the ruling is no way fair! Oh it may be fair for those that choose and can go to a National but it leaves the small players just "plain outa luck" and disadvantaged. It's also a highly discriminatory ruling as well given the circumstances. Quite obviouly too you're not disadvantaged by the ruling either so I can see why you'd agree with it.. Far too many rules and regulations these days and not to good affect, again IMHO. the politics and back biting within the dog world is truly dog eat dog!!

Over the top...? Having principals? Not at all it's simply about freedom of choice and not being disadvantaged by that choice and not having needless rules, there are far too many as it is, not just in the dog world either It's rules like this that will discourage the newer show going people who aren't up with all the rules and regulations

A sensible reply indeed. For all of us it is a choice, your choice is to go and I commend you for that but as you say it's not just a matter of hopping on a plane or boat and you are right the rule does not allow for that If I was given the choice to vote on such a rule I'd certainly vote against it Thank you for a most sensible reply too.

And here is a typical reply, I'm alright Jack so bugger you...! So typical in the dog world. We're not into cats you know! I thought that being into dogs and having like interests people would be more forgiving and more interested in helping others with like interest but over the years it seems that friendship/mateship has been tossed as we all seek to be top of the pile. But I wonder just what pile are we seeking to be top thereof? Not good enough and I'm ashamed that you're obviously a GSD owner breeder

It seems that there are so called "arguments" for and against the 1000Klm "ban" however the bottom line is that it all comes down to a freedom of choice. I could, for example, choose to support my local dog clubs who have through the years put on shows within the state where I can catch up with friends, some of whom do not show GSD's but other breeds, and by attending I'm showing support for local clubs, or I could choose to go to the National. What I'd like to be able to do is choose what show I attend and to get the full rewards for attending tat show. Now if the National want me to attend like any business dealing they should make it worthwhile my attending via some incentive to go to the National over attending my local club's function. The ANKC and breed clubs have however come up with a distinctly no incentive scheme that rankles many and appeases many. The bottom line is there should be no prevention of the appropriate awards in points etc. it's simply about the freedom of choice in which show you attend, National or local. If the Nationals are as some indicate so important go to the National, if like me you don't care to go then please allow us to go to shows and compete on an equal footing with all the other breeds and competitors. Also National means just that National, encompassing the whole Nation, yet the GSDCA DO NOT Encompass the Nation, SA, Vic, NSW, QLD, No WA no Tasmania or NT This is an antiquated rule and so typical of the dog world's draconian and out of touch Governance and it should be recinded. Free choice and free trade. And it most likely wouldn't affect attendance at the Nationals anyway.

I understand the ferry cost making things more difficult and essentially removing driving as an option for some people. But I am still struggling to understand comments like the 1 above in regards to flying - the airline restrictions on things like size, type of crate, breed of dog, number of dogs per flight etc are the same nationwide. So people who are considering flying from any state have the same concerns and issues. An earlier comment regarding Jetstar not taking dogs is no different to anywhere else either. As far as I am aware we are all restricted to QANTAS or Virgin if we want to fly with our dogs. Someone said that there were only 2 flights out - 1 in the morning and 1 in the evening. Well 2 weeks ago I picked up a Tasmanian from the airport who had flown out, with her dog from Hobart at 1 or 2pm and was flying back into Hobart at a similar time. Here in SA we only have 1 airoprt with interstate flights so driving a coupe of hours to get to the airport is also an issue. As I said though I will agree that it is easier/cheaper for us to drive to Melbourne than people from Tasmania, but in regards to Nationals I also feel that there should be no challenge certificates available anywhere in the country whilst a national is on. Without even looking at your place of abode I know that you don't live in Tasmania

the airline restrictions on things like size, type of crate, breed of dog, number of dogs per flight etc are the same nationwide. So people who are considering flying from any state have the same concerns and issues. Incorrect. The airlines use the larger planes routinely on most mainland air routes. They tend to use the smaller ones to come into Tasmania. These planes do not carry livestock, or only carry dogs up to a certain size and only if they are not carrying consumables on the same flights. We also have limited "Qantas" flights in Tasmania. Many of them are actually Jetstar who don't take animals at all. In Tasmania we're rather unique in that both our "major" airports have single runways and are restricted to the smaller type jets and any freight going on them preference is given to perishables and other essential. Yes you can get dogs in and out but the hassle and timetabling makes it an onerous affair so many choose to forgo! Such is the penalty we have for living on an island I've brought dogs into the state but there has been no show timetable to keep so it wasn't a problem

I understand the ferry cost making things more difficult and essentially removing driving as an option for some people. But I am still struggling to understand comments like the 1 above in regards to flying - the airline restrictions on things like size, type of crate, breed of dog, number of dogs per flight etc are the same nationwide. So people who are considering flying from any state have the same concerns and issues. An earlier comment regarding Jetstar not taking dogs is no different to anywhere else either. As far as I am aware we are all restricted to QANTAS or Virgin if we want to fly with our dogs. Someone said that there were only 2 flights out - 1 in the morning and 1 in the evening. Well 2 weeks ago I picked up a Tasmanian from the airport who had flown out, with her dog from Hobart at 1 or 2pm and was flying back into Hobart at a similar time. Here in SA we only have 1 airoprt with interstate flights so driving a coupe of hours to get to the airport is also an issue. As I said though I will agree that it is easier/cheaper for us to drive to Melbourne than people from Tasmania, but in regards to Nationals I also feel that there should be no challenge certificates available anywhere in the country whilst a national is on. Obviously you don't live in Tasmania The boat is the best option for getting dogs across the the mainland because of the restrictions placed on flying dogs. Yes it can be done but when it suits the airline, [Jetstar no go!] so our only real option is to drive via the ferries.

I didn't see anywhere in "Eric's" comments that there were bikinis, me thinks yer got the wrong guy Re the style of showing I much prefer the GSD specialist manner of showing as it gets more people involved and it can be so much more fun, however that depends on the people involved, some are so intent on winning tat the fun factor simply disappears and after all enjoying our dogs, win or lose, is what it's supposed to be all about. As to comments re dress, some people do get "involved" but that's their choice. The same person who made the bikini comment also commented upon the type of dog, roach backs east west [toes pointing out] or French Front and other comments and whilst I'd like to disagree from experience I've seen dogs put up as State Seigers that no breeder would even contemplate using and I can only suppose "politics" comes into it somewhere. For me a GSD is a working dog! A working dog must be able to move first and foremost. No freedom of movement but looks good in stance, then useless! Working dogs must have energy and movement and some of the dogs we see in the ring look good but that's it, useless in the fields.

Nope not at all, I travel yearly from Perth with big dogs ,i would love the option of hoping on the ferry & being able to take the car & float but instead i fly,hire cars & the likes.just to fly my 2 dogs is nearly $800 plus car,accom & the list goes on If you cant afford it its unfortunate but many people do head to these shows from many states which have it harder . I now of plenty of national shows held in Tassie that where very well supported by interstaters who didnt think twice same as the royal shows. Also now of many Tassie people who head over for royals & the melb cup carnival & the likes without a second thought. Yes i would be pissed at the no CC points not being printed but if you won grp or BIS that was still available. It is very common in the east & the entries arent cheaper .You are still entitled to all the other awards except cc/bob points No GSD National is ever held in Tasmania and under thye given rules of the GSDCA it's not on the agenda! The whole matter come down to choice, you choose to travel from WA because you can and you have a number of options, drive, plane, train Trvell9ing with dogs on planes out of Tassie is almost prohibitive such are the rules of airlines these days For many the choice comes down to cost and the ability to go plus the desire to go. For some the National is simply a no go because it does not interest them but they have enough interest to go to a local show but under the rules they are simply wasting their time. Quite simply it's a stupid rule that should be rescinded as it is a restriction on peoples freedom of choice A stupid rule placed by those who it seems would attempt to "coerce" people to go to Nationals, if the Nationals were truly National then perhaps people would consider going