Bonniebank

So far, Googled one trainer in Braidwood NSW who I have emailed.

Anyone know of someone they can recommend to help train dogs for snake avoidance? Or any ideas? So far, the ideas from neighbouring farms are: 1. If you can't tape a snakes mouth up then use a freshly found roadkill as dogs know the difference between real and rubber snakes. (Not sure I'd like to use a live snake due to stress on the snake?) 2. Buy an e-collar so that the dog doesn't know where the correction is coming from but only use a very low pulse. (Not sure I'd ever use an e-collar but was advised it's better for the dog than being bitten?) Hoping that by training all the dogs, it will be to the benefit of both the dogs and the snakes. Thanks for your time.

Yep. He has been adopted by ex-St George Rugby Leaque player Graeme (sp?) Langlands. I met him a few times when I used to go watch him play about 35-40 yrs ago. He's a nice man. They said on the news tonight that the girl is pleading having a mental illness as defence (I'll give her a freakin mental illness). IF she lives in the flat (not sure), what the freakin hell was she doing with a RB cross????? :swear: and before I stop venting and taking my anger out on you guys (sorry), it's a well known fact that most abusers of people (particularly children) started out abusing animals so when are the freakin courts going to get real about penalties for animal cruelty???!!!

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If my post comes up twice, then I'm an idiot. :rolleyes: Carlo, You contacted me recently about the holiday accomodation on our farm. You are also welcome to bring the cats. I guess we are too far away from the location you want to rent but contact me anyway as you never know.

If they are from a registered breeder no. There are one or 2 in WA. 3 in SA, 1 in Tasmania, NSW has the most but still only a handful, Vic has a couple. Not many people breed them at all unlike the Devons which have lots of breeders. Should be easy to trace unless BYB. Please accept me as a back-up for the cats. I really can't take on any more dogs atm as we now have 9 rescues. We have only one cat rescue. We live on a farm and our cat isn't allowed outside for the birds safety and also his (feral cats). Plenty of cat furniture, scratching posts, windows and doors open (flyscreens) to WATCH birds, litter trays and allowed to sleep ANYWHERE (including on our bed with us). Good luck and thank you so much for caring.

Thank you LML! Your dogs are so well-behaved that they are welcome back here ANYTIME!!!!! The pictures are absolutely beautiful!!!!!!!

Have added that advice and some more to my original post. ;)

I'll look into our insurance etc & PM you when I know Fran

Thanks so much R-A, you are very kind. We also think it's a dream after moving from the Southern Suburbs of Sydney about 4 years ago. Neither OH or I were city born and bred, as OH was born and bred in Ballarat Vic, and has spent 30 years going bush in the Army and I was born and raised on a farm in England and have worked on a farm at Yeoval NSW, lived at Dubbo and Gilgandra and have also spent time in the army. Then Sydney was where our work was so no choice, We honestly don't want to start a money making business and don't want to have to work all year round so that's why we're just offering accom to pets and their owners for either a stop-off stay or a holiday. We would like to just make a tiny profit so that we can make the cottage more comfortable and pet friendly. We are more involved with breed rescue (Scottish Collies, German Coolies and Shelties). Children are also very welcome to stay for a holiday as they can collect eggs from the free-range chooks, meet the Alpacas who guard our sheep, get up close to the hand-raired sheep, feed baby lambs with a bottle and cuddle them (if there are poddy (orphan or rejected) lambs at lambing time), pat and feed the horses and ponies and even have a small (very supervised) ride on a horse (lead rope attached). If children are wanting a pet such as a dog or a horse, we can teach them how much time and effort goes into looking after it. But mainly, dogs are free to run, play, and generally act like idiots! In other words, have a great time! We had a guest come and stay with about 13 dogs but she was very obliging and sensible and let the dogs free in groups of who got on together. If anyone has a dog/s who is/are unsociable, as long as they let me know, I'm happy to keep my dogs in until that dog has had plenty of exercise. The dogs are a most important part of you trip. Thanks for listening everyone and thanks for your advice!

Gosh you guys, thank you for all the pm's to book!~ Lilmisssascha83, we haven't got a website but can be PM'd on DOL or email [email protected] and email might be the better way for me to send my enormous :rolleyes: pics. We are both retired and not interested in making a profitable business out of our farm and don't want to be working 24/7/365. We just want to offer accomm to pets (owners allowed if under control and on leash :rofl: ) Any small profit (IF any) will be put back into the guest cottage and help cover our costs of electricity, continental breakfast + free range eggs from our chookens all year round. The cottage is mainly carpeted but we'd like to rip it up and seal the floorboards or tile it so if dogs pee, who cares????? That sort of thing will be done slowly from small profits but in the meantime, house-trained dogs are fine inside and even non-house-trained dogs can sleep inside as we can supply large crates with soft bedding. Years ago when we lived in Sydney suburbia, I used to go camping or farm-staying whenever I could with our dogs and just loved to get away from the hankerchief-sized council dog exercise areas and the council rules of not allowing to exercise dogs off-leash on ovals that were empty most of the week! I mean, even if we pick up our poo, why waste unused open space? Wouldn't you think that all open space (including ovals) could be used for off-leash exercise areas provided there is no sheduled sports function happening? I ILLEGALLY had my CONTROLLED (but unleashed) dogs having a walk one day on a Sutherland council oval and was told to remove my dogs from the oval by ONE jogger who was the only other person using that oval. There were 2 other ovals unocuppied in that complex. Yes, he was acting legally, but wouldn't you think that councils would allow CONTROLLED unleashed dog exercise (provided owners picked up their poo and dogs were not a threat to any person or animal) (which both are a separate law) when these council-maintained ovals are not being used except for sometimes only one person to jog around? Oh dear. I am getting SO off topic. Sorry, but it involves the reason why we decided that sociable city doggies might love it here.

Checked my pics and most of them are in MB's so how many KB's are in an MB? However, have now worked out how to post a pic! Thank you Wuffles . (I hadn't worked that out either :rolleyes: ) This pic is taken up near the top of the driveway and the gate is further than you can see in the distance so gives you an idea. The only thing you may hear from the road occasionally might be a stock truck. BTW, Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

No. Not yet. Have tried compressing the pic tho so will see what happens now but I think I've made it too small.

Trying again. What am I doing wrong? I browse for the pic then click on 'attach this file'

OK. So the pic didn't post. I'll try again but am VERY technologically challenged!

Thanks for the words of support ;) . We're about 1/2 hour drive west of Crookwell (our nearest town), which is almost an hours drive west of Goulburn. The back way from here to Canberra (via Gunning) is about a 2 hour drive. About 3 1/2 hours drive from western outskirts of Sydney to here (via Goulburn). The road leading north west from Crookwell goes to Bathurst (about 2 1/2 hours drive), Orange, Blayney. I was trying to find a map to cut and paste but if you Google Narrawa, which is a farming district of Crookwell, that's close enough to us. Ours is a dirt road :rolleyes: but next to no traffic and the house is a fair way from the main gate. I'm going to attempt to post a pic of the driveway taken from about 1/2 way from the main gate.

We are just starting out with our accomodation on our farm but we welcome ALL pets (Horses, Dogs, Cats, Birds) and there is no extra charge for pets. A 24hr Vet Service is available with a 20 minute drive. NO PARALYSIS TICKS OR HEARTWORM IS PRESENT IN THIS AREA. The accomodation is a self-contained 2 bedroom cottage with 2 fenced gardens (not really high for jumpers but if dogs who jump are well socialised, no problem). Bedrooms are 1 queen sized, and 2 single beds in the second bedroom. Bedrooms are fitted out with linen, pillows, blankets and Duvee's. Dogs, cats, birds are welcome to stay inside the cottage. Let us know if they like to sleep on the beds or the furniture and we'll supply covers. Hot water is available throughout the cottage. Bathroom (although very old and basic has a shower and bath and towels, bath mats etc are supplied. There is a laundry with washing machine (cold water only) if guests wish to use it, or washing and ironing can be done at an extra charge. Basic food requirements are supplied (milk, juice, bread, butter, cereal, condiments, tea, coffee, sugar, free range farm eggs etc). Kitchen is fitted with refridgerator, freezer, stove, microwave, toaster, sandwich maker, electric jug, crockery, cutlery, linen etc). Loungeroom is fitted with Television and set top box for digital channels, DVD player, books and board games. SMOKING IS ONLY ALLOWED OUTSIDE. The outside gardens include pergola, table, umbrella, chairs and BBQ. Stables and small paddocks available for horses if required. There is no mobile telephone service but guests are welcome to use our landline for the cost of the call. Farm animals include Alpacas, sheep (some hand raised), horses and chooks. Complete off-leash exercise is permitted anywhere on the farm for social dogs (as our dogs are also social) and for dogs who will not chase stock. If dogs off-leash do not jump fences then we can keep stock in other paddocks so that dogs can have the run of paddocks without stock. Dogs may swim in the dams (although some dams may be muddy) or at the swimming hole about 15 mins drive from the farm where people may also cool off. Pet sitting/feeding (dogs, cats, birds, horses) is provided for a small extra charge for those who wish to tour the area or go out for dinner. The cottage is very basic but clean and what we are intending is to start off with cheap rates then invest any profit back into it to make it better as time goes on. Your comments about ideas for future improvement are most welcome! If anyone is interested, please email for photos and further information. ETA corrections to typos but I'll bet there's more :-( Also, we thought it would be best to not let the cottage out during Nov, Dec, Jan & Feb as we get snakies during that time (baddies), we can use the time to do any things to the cottage we need to and family use the cottage over Christmas (only time I get to see some of the). Winter is cold but there's a log fire with wood supplied. I guess Spring and Autums are the best but my dogs love the winter and still get to swim in the dam on a sunny day. There is an industrial dryer available if you want to dry them off. I'm thinking for one person and how ever many dogs you have, $50 per night is reasonable (incl continental breakfast and eggs to cook) and a little extra for extra people to cover breaky and electricity. Does that sound OK? If anyone is in the area, let me know and you are most welcome to come have a look before any booking. I welcome any advice.

Thanks again for the help. Have emailed Steve. I haven't seen him since we moved from Sydney but have known him for years and used to work with him so I trust his judgement. ;)

This one seems pretty good and appears to be serious training. All I need now is someone to tape up a snakes mouth for me to stop anyone being bitten. :rolleyes: I guess you could get the same results using a freshly killed snake (if one was to find a freshly killed one) or a snake that isn't venomous.

I found some training clips on UTube. I guess some are good and some are bad but worth having a look. Wow, just the sound of those rattlesnakes gives me goosebumps. I hate this time of the year. Every stick and piece of bark I see I expect it to move.

Thanks everyone for all your advice and support. Hopefully, this is a topic that interests other dog owners too. Thank you Aussielover. I think I read something about K9Pro when I was researching snake avoidance on the net. Will check them out. Hiya Sheena. Bought a rubber “red bellied black” some time ago but unfortunately, my dogs aren’t easily fooled. I clicked on “Charlie Gets Snake Trained” but it doesn’t open?? If your sister ever develops and markets something, I think I may be her first customer so please PM me if she does. What’s a static mat? Hey Weasels, I would invest in this too. Better the dog get a small shock than a deadly snake bite! I’m thinking of maybe trying one of the collars like Innotek. We also get a lot of brown Shinglebacks here so I could maybe train the dogs on them (not allowing the dogs to hurt them of course) and then hopefully, they will associate the same training if they come across ANY reptile.

Not sure if I'm in the right sub-forum so WILL MOVE IF ADVISED. I know that some places in the USA use live snakes and shock collars to train dogs to avoid snakes. We had 3 of our dogs bitten last year and thankfully, they survived with anti-venom. We ALWAYS put the dogs in the house if both OH and I have to go out so that if they are bitten, we know and can get them to the vet. Just wondering if anyone knows of any snake avoidance training methods or anyone who teaches it in NSW????? Also, any hints or ideas are most gratefully accepted. Thanks in advance.

Well I think they may be right Dash. ;) Exactly the same thing with my German Coolies (one in particular) and even just the pull on the cord to start the house paddock mower, starts her off. Again, no reaction from the cars or the tractor but the mower, snipper and vacuum cleaner (smaller machinery) sends her into a barking frenzy to the point where she and one of the others have fought over/about it!! We have to put her inside on her own at these times so that there won't be a fight. We've tried many things but found the only solution is to put her in where she can't harm herself or the other dogs. Not exactly "training" I know, but a small price to pay instead of a vet bill. Guess I'm not much help but don't like ppl to feel they are alone. ;)

Sorry if I came across wrongly Alyosha. I wasn't meaning anything against the rescue group. In fact, I am SO glad that she's with a group and not in a pound! I was just surprised to come across a reasonably rare breed needing rescue and was wondering if breeders of Pharoahs knew she was there. One of my adoptions turned out to be a Louisiana Catahoula Leopard Dog and it's also rare to find them up for rescue. The Catahoula breeders in Australia were surprised and thankfull that someone had rescued her.