Black Bronson

I wouldn't NOT to respond to you in this situation, but I would be a little wary until we had established some rapport. With a landline I can tell approximately where you are, for example, if you have a 02 47xx xxxx number I know you are in Western Sydney, but with a mobile number you could be anywhere in the country, or in fact even OS with an Aust mobile number. If you are calling me from another state I want to know why you aren't dealing with the local breeders in that state. I had an enquiry from interstate recently and I checked with breeders in that state and they gave a very big 'STAY AWAY' from this buyer, as they had bought puppies from 3 different breeders, only to return the puppies in less than a week for a number of stupid reasons, such as they changed their mind about the colour of the puppy! Word had gotten out in that State, so they were now looking Interstate for a puppy. With just a mobile number you might tell me you are local to me, but I don't really know if that is true. With free email accounts, I'm sure at least one enquiry for each litter I have for sale is from other breeders in my breed just wanting to find out what I'm telling puppy buyers and how much I'm charging. I always respond politely and answer all questions, including the cost, but I probably put a bit more info in the non-anonymous email requests. I emailed a breeder late last year about a litter on a proper email address and got an answer to phone her. I phoned her 5 times and left a message over a week giving my mobile number and she never rang me back Perhaps she had an issue with mobile phone enquiries???. I couldn't understand why she never answered the phone or returned my calls, but kept updating her adds. You tend to give a mobile number having the phone with you not to miss calls as you would on a land line???.

Some breeds can have a few years waiting for a dog and people may want to shop around to see what breeder they can get the earliest dog from. I think if people let the breeder know they are investigating the breed then I personally wouldnt consider it time wasting, but then again I get an awful lot of people who ask questions who I know really have no intention of buying a puppy, they are just interested in the breed. Being honest with the breeder regarding your intentions is important I think.

Now, I wouldn't necessarily call that "time wasting". I have had people come & look at puppies who were quite honest about not being ready for a puppy right at that time. I'm happy for them to come at look at/play with the puppies - some have come back 2 or 3 litters later & bought a puppy. I'm always happy to spend time with people talking about my beloved breed - I could talk about Poodles all day Perhaps some breeders have been caught before assuming someone was really keen to purchase and spent a lot of time with them in discussion etc etc and nothing comes of it. The message I get from it is not to contact the particular breeder unless you are seriously interested in purchasing from the advertised litter.

A "time waster" I would consider is someone who has no intentions of buying a puppy in the near future, but contacts breeders gathering information about their current litters regardless. I can understand breeders with a litter not wanting their time wasted by someone who may be interested in purchasing a puppy in two or three years time.

Sadly, dog sport with a showline GSD IMO is a waste of time and too much of a gamble finding a good dog in Australia. Owning both a German showline and a DDR/Czech working line GSD, there is no comparison between the two. The working line GSD is much closer to the original standard from temperament onwards. I don't think the more square backed working line dogs rate well in modern conformation but they do walk on their feet properly without the severe angulation.

Many people don't know that a GSD can be pure black and ask what breed is the black one, or the black one looks like he has GSD mixed in

Most people don't know they have a dangerous dog until it bites someone which is often too late. Why would someone insure a dog for dangerous reactions if they genuinely thought their dog was ok. Isn't the dad saying all dogs should be insured in case they do cause an injury???

I don't believe desexing makes a difference with bitches, it's more with the boys. Desexing doesn't make much difference if at all with GSD males except in the presence of a bitch in season. Some male GSD's desexed too early can develop fear aggression from under developed hormone structure along with growth and skeletel malformations. I wouldn't desex a male GSD under 18 months old.

You beat me to that comment Ish Although there are many wonderful GSD females, being female doesn't guarentee a nicer natured pet with this breed by any means. I have always found on average that male GSD's are more affectionate and more consistant in temperament than females and fit in better with multi dog homes. The only advantage with female GSD's is that they are usually smaller and a bit easier to handle physically than big strong male. Several GSD breeders have told me NEVER to have two bitches or a dominant bitch and dominant male GSD together as the bitch will fight and recommend in GSD's having two males as a better preference???. Personally, I prefer male GSD's and especially like their consistant predictability in the temperament. Mine are definitely big sooky smoochers and love affection and cuddles.

I see where you are coming from - and from one viewpoint, I agree. However, from another, if this was done, it would mean that there would be no cross bred dogs in 5 years - if the law was policed. And it would be difficult to police. Council officers snooping in people's laundries doesn't have a good ring about it, and I very much doubt that it would stand up in court. This takes away the option to own a cross bred dog, and not everyone wants a purebred. I like my microchip idea much better. Wish they'd enforce that. I don't really see any purpose in general cross bred dogs which by majority are what fill the pounds and rescue organisations. Cross breedings of no purpose I see as the crux of the homeless dog situation and the cause of the amount of homeless dogs being PTS as a result. Cross breedings in a regulated system could apply for a permit to do so but for a valid reason such as a specific working role etc, but having said that, approval of such a cross breeding would be met with a high level of breeder research into bloodlines and health aspects of the breeds they wish to cross for a given purpose. The idea is to stamp out the typical BYB type breedings as the OP is describing. All crossbred dogs are modelled on a purebreed as their basic features and I don't see any valid reason why people need a bit of "this and that". Most who buy a crossbred puppy wouldn't know how the puppy will turn out in size, appearance and temperament and a more a lucky dip. Many "lucky dip" puppies are re-homed as adults turning out opposite to what the owners were looking for. At least with a purebreed, if they want a Jack Russel they can buy one, not a puppy that looks like a JR that ends up part Great Dane

The law it's self would prevent many breeding bearing in mind, not all BYB's are bad people just silly and would abide by such a law. It would be simple to catch illegal breaders as advertising would no longer be possible for unregistered breeders. There will always be black market breeding but I think a general law would help dramatically. I think perhaps the OP's reference would think twice if a law was in place???. At the moment, you can basically breed what you like when you like and is totally an unregulated system.

GSD's can be hard players and are often arrogant and disrespectful to small dogs especially if the small dog has some attitude. I personally would never trust my GSD to play nicely with a small dog as it doesn't take much of a playbite around the neck of a small dog to result in disaster. My boy has a completely different attitude towards large dogs especially other GSD's or Rotties where there seems to be a mutual respect and a set of rules that goes with the play it seems. Unless a small dog and a GSD are raised together or know each other well, I don't like the idea of allowing dogs of major size diffence to randomly interact.

There needs to be a law controlling the breeding of dogs which I mentioned on another thread and IMHO it's the only way to stop this stupidity. Showing a council by-law that unregistered breeding carries a $5000 fine or something to that effect would stop many potential breedings.

Excellent post.........exactly the way I would handle the situation too

Can't you play with the baby in another room if you must use the floor???. It's not a bad dog because it jumped over the baby and takes some compromise to include both dogs and small children in the household. You can't expect a dog to automatically understand how it needs to behave around children and I would suggest to have a trainer assess the situation with the dog first before you make a decision to send him back. It's a amazing how some good training can alter a dog's behaviour and provide you with control. The dog didn't cause the baby harm, you caused that yourself I am sorry to say and the dog is not to blame for the incident. A smaller dog in the same situation that couldn't jump as well could poke the baby in the eye etc etc. Any dog can cause a baby harm if the baby is put in a vulnerable position in the dog's presence. Only you can control that scenario effectively. If you must use the floor? Many dogs are fine sharing floor space. All 4 of mine have been, A Goldie, a Belgian Shepherd, a Whippet and a White GSD. Some dogs are too flighty and unpredictable. The floor sharing is supervised, but that doesnt stop a flighty overly excitable dog from causing damage. The ages of the dogs in this situation were Belgian 6yrs, Goldie 10 years, Whippet 5.5 months, WGSD 12 months. Whats the point in having a nutbag dog locked a way from your life, or a baby locked away from a nutbag? Nutbag will be perfectly suited to someone else. Many rescue dogs haven't had a great start to life in training and often display adolescent energy that is not ideal being the reason why I recommended a trainer assess this dog first. Dog's can easily be calmed with some proper training, but doing nothing and expecting the dog to understand what behaviour is required isn't fair on the dog. I get the picture here that the dog is no good on the basis that it bowled the baby over which is a supervison issue IMO. If you need a dog to be gentle, you train it accordingly which is not a major drama, but you can't expect an adolescent dog full of energy with little training to behave in any particular way.

I can send you a 9 week old working line GSD for a couple of days to take your mind off the Poodle when you give her back if you like Nekhbet This little fella will keep you amused

Can't you play with the baby in another room if you must use the floor???. It's not a bad dog because it jumped over the baby and takes some compromise to include both dogs and small children in the household. You can't expect a dog to automatically understand how it needs to behave around children and I would suggest to have a trainer assess the situation with the dog first before you make a decision to send him back. It's a amazing how some good training can alter a dog's behaviour and provide you with control. The dog didn't cause the baby harm, you caused that yourself I am sorry to say and the dog is not to blame for the incident. A smaller dog in the same situation that couldn't jump as well could poke the baby in the eye etc etc. Any dog can cause a baby harm if the baby is put in a vulnerable position in the dog's presence. Only you can control that scenario effectively.

That's old school. My father always taught the "p*#s off" command and used to work well

I teach "enough" and "leave", so it is still being taught and perhaps more than you might assume. It's just that for the "hard-wired" barking at the door dogs, sometimes teaching "quiet" isn't enough or successful. It depends how you teach the "quiet" command but firstly it's made easier once the dog can be re-called away from major distraction. Without achieving distraction re-call, it lessens the opportunity for success with door bell behaviour.

Breedings with no purpose. In other words, someone wanting their bitch to have a litter from the mutt down the road is an example. I agree, but even with breeders (registered) unless they are breeding for the betterment of the breed and intend to keep a puupy for themselves, this could also be classed as a form of Random breeding ( in a sense) Its up to ALL ( both reg and others) to be scrutinised and accountable in terms of keeping to Canine rules, along with the education of the public to overcome the problems we all face today. Yes, there are some registered breeders that border on puppy farming for sure and breed litter after litter which isn't ideal, but the puppies from those breeders do end up in more suitable for ever type homes than the BYB random cross breed. The amount of times over the years we have been offered puppies from freinds of friends that have done a BYB breeding and can't home them effectively or even give them away. Many people take on a puppy in these circumstances on impulse of the cuteness factor and when the growing puppy becomes too much effort for these people or cramps their lifestyle, the dog ends up in rescue. But the point that I always see here, is that these people were not in the market to add a dog to their family but took a puppy for the wrong reasons, or worse, almost had the puppy forced upon them by the BYB breeder trying desperately to find homes. To make matters worse again, some of the BYB's after experiencing difficulty homing puppies the first time, before long, their bitch is pregnant again :D ;)

It was quite a sad video, but if it wasn't for random breeding I wouldn't have my girl abby a bull terrier whippet cross. If you can't stop bogans having uprotected casual sex I doubt your going to stop their dogs. It's good that you are happy with your girl Abby Mervin, but I don't support the breeding of cross bred dogs and is the reason I joined DOL being a "pure breed dog community".

Breedings with no purpose. In other words, someone wanting their bitch to have a litter from the mutt down the road is an example.

Yeh and that worked didn't it? Random breeding is where the problem lays and when no laws prevent it, whacko, breed what you like, when you like Sure it would continue but to a far lesser extent bearing in mind, there is not quite the same profit margins in illegal dog breeding than growing dope is there???. There is no place for random breedings whatsoever which need to be stopped. Err I think drug use amongst the populace is quite endemic, though illegalisation did help to increase the profit margin. At the end of the day, if the community at large think random breedings are okay, then it is. Laws should be a reflection of society value systems. Random breedings are not the crux of the problem. Of course random breedings are the reason why there are too many dogs to home, most are cross breeds and what's the purpose of these breedings.............none that I can see

Public misconception is a massive problem to overcome with the Pitty and to be honest, I was never overly interested in the APBT and didn't care about them much UNTIL I MET ONE I didn't even know the dog was an APBT and thought she was a Bully cross, Amstaff appearance but smaller with a red nose. Having known this dog for some time who was a lovely friendly obedient pet who was NOT dog aggressive in the slightest, I asked the owner what she was who replied, "oh she's a Pitbull" The public need to see these good APBT examples, as most people wouldn't know what breed they are and judge the dog on it's own merits. I know a dozen APBT's that I have met, ALL of those are great dogs, no issues with them in any way People really need to actually meet some APBT's and let their own experiences over-ride media sensationalism about the dangers of the breed.

Yeh and that worked didn't it? Random breeding is where the problem lays and when no laws prevent it, whacko, breed what you like, when you like Sure it would continue but to a far lesser extent bearing in mind, there is not quite the same profit margins in illegal dog breeding than growing dope is there???. There is no place for random breedings whatsoever which need to be stopped.