~Anne~

Possession is 9/10ths of the law in this instance. If the dog has been given or sold to someone else, the original chipped owner can not make claim. The Council worker was wrong in the advice given I believe AIRBUS. I had an instance where a dog (RIP Lilly 23.12.12) was sold as a puppy to another person. 8 years later that dog ended up in rescue. The chip was still in the breeders name. The breeder had no claim on that dog whatsoever unless they could prove the dog lived with them and was cared for by them. Obviously they couldn't. The receipt of sale was enough to show the dog was not their dog. I've said it before and I will repeat it - microchips do not prove ownership of a dog. Ownership of a dog is proven by evidence showing the dog has been in your possession and cared for by you. Obviously if the animal came into your care illegally, such as it being stolen, the. That would be different. The percentage of error in the chip databases is very high. For this reason alone you couldn't use a microchip as sole evidence of ownership. Microchips are only a registration device, not an ownership statement.

All good. No-one has asked for them yet. They won't be available from Wollongong until Monday 7. Not sure where you were thinking of collecting them from?

Neither do I but unfortunately, according to an editorial I read recently, they are on a rocket rise to popularity.

It's annoying isn't it and absolutely wrong. I've experienced a similar attitude. I've had my opinion and knowledge continually battered simply because I don't actually breed pugs. Breeding them it seems gives you all the knowledge known of the breed it seems. I just wish someone would tell breeders churning out pugs with massive health issues this theory. Back to a point someone raised earlier, there are obvious defensive positions held by both sides of the debate with over reactions to comments made on both sides. Its understandable and most are guilty of it. Still, it certainly makes for education and I'm all for that though. It's hard not to be defensive when you are a breeder and you're told your breed is riddled with health issues. It's hard to step back and look at the issue objectively. I find it hard, as an advocate of the pug, to step back and view the discussion objectively too. However from the other side of the coin. I haven't viewed the video that started this thread as my iPad doesn't have the right bits to make it work. However, I think I could have a pretty well educated guess as to what it looks like. It would possibly be very much like the anti BSL videos showing the pit bull to be a teddy bear, or the pro docking videos showing graphic illustrations of damaged tails. I guess that's the irony. The only way to push a point is to show that point in all it's exaggerated glory. It is a tactic used by everyone who wants to get a point across. In advertising, the better you do it, the more money you earn.

Yep, clients of mine brought their new black Pug pup over the other day. She is very leggy and longer nose. She has pedigree papers. The nosey / leggy ones in the park are always black... must be a few breeding them. I'd have a guess and say they were mostly bred around Bargo. It's the meca for black Pugs, all using each others black dogs without a thought for anything else, besides them turning out black And a breeder up north, around Newcastle way, churning out leggy fawns. Interestingly the 3 I saw, all papered, all had behavioural issues too.

We have a "Jug" at our park :p Jack x Pug. Apparently breeder is trying to lengthen the nose so they won't have breathing issues according to owners. At least they are not under the false impression the dog a pure pug lol Yeh pug crosses are common, I'm disturbed by the amount of pugs with noses where the owners think they are pure! And unfortunately the people who make the ludicrous claim that they are crossing dogs to create a pug with a longer nose are even more dangerous than the breeder who is breeding pugs with papers with no thought or understanding of brachy syndrome. Someone who crosses a pug with a breed like the beagle, jack russel or cavalier are simply breeding cross bred dogs to sell. They're not engaging in a breeding program to fix the problems in the breed which is clearly what is needed and occurring in a very small number of breeders with foresight and courage. As for pedigree pugs with longer noses, it could possibly be a very poorly bred pedigree. I have seen leggy, longer nosed pugs with papers over the years.

I have a heap of blankets and a couple of dog beds I no longer need. If anyone is interested, please email me on [email protected] They can be collected from the south coast or Wollongong.

That explains why the chip was not considered important and the dogs not scanned then I would think. I would think that the surrender procedures would have involved a document being signed stating they were the legal owners of the dogs they were surrendering. Perhaps it is the people who surrendered the dogs that should be the recipients of legal action. Why were the dogs with them if they don't own them any way? Not that this question is really important to the problem of how to extract them from the RSPCA but curiosity makes me ask anyway.

The microchip details are not proof of ownership of a dog. Surely there must be a case of negligence though given they did not check the chip? I'm not sure what the usual procedure in SA is or how long chips have been mandatory (if they even are) in SA.

Missing eyes are common. In having said that though the most common cause that I have seen to remove the eyes of any pug are not from issues related to prolapse itself, but eye injuries, which may or may not result in a prolapse. The eyes do not need to be prominent for this to occur but it is still breed related. Without a long muzzle to protect the eyes when faced with cats, bushes and other hazards, the eyes are at higher risk and are often punctured and or scratched. I have a bitch here who has had 3 eye injuries this year alone although her eye issues are exacerbated by partial blindness caused by pigmentary keratitis, which is yet another common issue I have witnessed in the many pugs I have loved and known. One positive thing to come out of these debates and arguments is that the health of the purebred dog is highlighted which in turn encourages awareness and education. It can only be a good thing.

Nothing in life is certain. You might buy a purebred from a great breeder and it might end in disaster. You might buy a dog that appears purebred from a rescue, or a dog of unknown breed, and it ends in disaster. Young, old or in between there are no guarantees. However, if I was a gambler I'd place my safest bet on buying a young or older dog from a breeder if I wanted something as bombproof as I could hope for. At least you will have some background of behaviour and personality ..... Or I'd buy a pug from any source. I'm yet to see a human aggressive pug regardless of how well, or how poorly bred it is.

I've seen several Pugs eyes pop out. Brachy skull and all, it happens. I also know that the pug as a breed do not tolerate high temperatures. It simply cannot be denied. Again, brachy skull. The equation is simple: The flatter the face becomes, the 'more 'cobby' (such a neutral way to describe it, isn't it?) the shape of the pug becomes, the more issues will be seen with breathing and prolapsed eyes, amongst other things. Thankfully there are a handful of pug breeders who understand this but it is a complex and arduous task to make any real change. Stand up and say change is needed and you'll get slam dunked. It's a sad reality. You need a a coat of armour and very broad shoulders to succeed.

I don't understand why anyone would bother taping them in the first place???

Have them add details to the Lost Pets NSW Facebook page. It has a good share list.

Well said Julie and there's my warm fuzzies for the weekend!

This is a good idea. I have used a Uni student once before from Sydney to Armidale.

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I've already asked him to go heavy with the airbrushing on any with me in it.

My thoughts exactly. They are both truly lovely people!

A well deserved win Pauline! I would have loved to see the expressions on the faces of those passing by! :laugh:

A well deserved CONGRATULATIONS to Anna and Linda on being awarded the Master Rescuer of the Year award at the MDBA A wards last night.

I believe all photos will be uploaded to the photographers website soon. Not sure of the details as yet as they will be emailed when the pics are up apparently.

Ooops, sorry! Not sure how I missed this one. I'll blame Troy, he must have been distracting me. I can't blame the alcohol because I didn't drink that much! :laugh:

Yes, before awarding and not after would have been the better way to do it.

Master Breeder: Pauline Gill and Peter Levett, Tapua Labradors